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Khephra
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Thu Feb-05-04 05:38 AM Original message |
Kennewick Man Can Be Studied, Court Rules |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Feb-05-04 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. I truly respect Native American rights and the Federal grave- protection |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I disagree with you |
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kayell
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Comparing to ones great grandmother is misleading |
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Spentastic
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. That's your problem |
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brainshrub
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Thu Feb-05-04 08:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. That's a good point! |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Belief systems notwithstanding |
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Spentastic
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Says who? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. What a bogus comparison |
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Spentastic
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Just as bogus |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Actually, it's not a question of balance |
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Spentastic
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. That's fine |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. Ethics? |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. No, actually some tribes allow research but within a limited, reasonable |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. Not mandated how they think or feel |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Actually, according to NAGPRA, they are empowered to do more than |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. If the 9th didn't |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Thank god that the first President Bush saw things different than you! |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. Cool |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Read the NPS article I posted below. Plenty of context to prove |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 07:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. But you are seeing this through your own lens |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Thu Feb-05-04 07:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. But the point here is that the initial evidence |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Thu Feb-05-04 07:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. In Cheddar England |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 08:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Yes, just like mDNA has determined that Africa was "the cradle of life" |
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treepig
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Thu Feb-05-04 08:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. mmmm, cheddar |
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Seldona
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Deleted by poster. |
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Coventina
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
21. What is your take on stem cell research? |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. My take isn't the issue. But let's discuss your question... |
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MisterC2003
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
45. Oh, man |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Actually, the "conservative" first Bush signed NAGPRA |
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styersc
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
55. I'm an archaeologist and this is a proper ruling- |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. Actually, laws indeed protect African American graves... |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
2. If the bones were found in a region in which a tribe can prove |
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hlthe2b
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Sounds reasonable... |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Then the judges should defer to an intertribal council and let them |
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sybylla
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
17. Prove how? You already said that they don't keep documentation. |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Your ignorance on the subject of the validity of oral history is... |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. When was the Kentuckian Glacier/Glacial? (n/t) |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. The last epoch in the US was the Wisconsin Glacier |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. No it shouldn't be consulted |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Fringe beliefs? You say this on DU? |
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minkyboodle
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Jchild |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Thanks, Minkyboodle |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. They have rights |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Really? What are YOUR rights in this case? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Scientific rights |
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sybylla
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Thu Feb-05-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
88. Ignorance? |
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andy12
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. What if? |
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Malva Zebrina
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Thu Feb-05-04 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
11. Couldn't DNA studies determine at least a small part of the ancestry? |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 08:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Exactly! |
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sybylla
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. DNA very rarely survives even half that long. |
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FlaGranny
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. It seems to me that |
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yellowcanine
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
22. Right decision - Evidence is that the bones are not connected |
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Onlooker
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
23. Old beliefs are so tiresome |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Murder and hate? Uh, yes, I would say that the way Euroamericans have |
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Onlooker
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I'm wasn't just talking about American Indians |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Well, let's go get a shovel and dig up Dad, since you're all for it. |
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Onlooker
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:22 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. That's not fair |
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Spentastic
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Careful now Stalin |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Your ethnocentrism is astounding! |
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Onlooker
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
79. Waitaminute |
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FlaGranny
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:32 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. I have complete empathy for the traditions of the |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Really? Then, pray tell me which other people were inhabiting the |
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MisterC2003
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. NAGPRA sound really bad |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. LOL at you using the term "Amerinds" |
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MisterC2003
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
93. Amerinds, native americans, whatever, I don't care |
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FlaGranny
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
86. We really don't know what other people might have |
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Malva Zebrina
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. I don't like to be challenging this, but that reproduction ;looks |
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HereSince1628
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
87. I think THAT is exactly the point, there may have been 2 |
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Coventina
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
78. This is an insulting analogy! |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Your mom sounds like a great person |
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Coventina
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Thanks Muddle |
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yellowcanine
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Now I don't think that is an accurate or fair assessment. |
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MisterC2003
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
48. The bones may indicates that Amerinds weren't the only "native" Americans |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Please tell me where you got this info. |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Proof of 20,000 years inhabitancy? |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. For starters, look up Meadowcroft Rock Shelter. |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. but that's disputed |
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starroute
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. All we know is that *somebody* got here 20,000 years ago |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Yeah, I've read the position papers on genetic diversity, too--big deal... |
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bubblesby2002
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
94. Excuse me, the 8 scientists didn't just hear about the.... |
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bubblesby2002
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Sorry mistake |
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DrWeird
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. Sounds like your standard eurocentric revisionism to me. |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Yes, or the lost tribe of Israel or the Phoenicians or extraterrestrials |
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MisterC2003
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
96. Kinnebunkport man |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
52. LINK: AMERICAN INDIAN CLAIMANTS' POSITION ON THIS CASE |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Is the Indian claimants' position on that site? |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
57. MORE MANDATORY READING TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND CASE |
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styersc
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
73. jchild- I had forgotten that we had spoken on archaeology in the past- |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Point one, I agree. Point two, I agree (and yes I know) |
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styersc
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I'm aware of the site looting problem- |
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Jon Thompson
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. Excuse me? |
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styersc
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Thu Feb-05-04 08:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. NAGPRA Native American Grave Protection and Repatriation Act |
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muriel_volestrangler
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. That's evidence in support? |
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MrPrax
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
68. Someone should message a MOD |
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Ediacara
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
80. Best news I've heard all day! |
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toopers
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
82. I am not taking sides on this issue, but I have a question. |
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FlaGranny
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Thu Feb-05-04 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
89. If anyone is interested, |
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