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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:53 PM
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Democrats eyeing a novel target: VP
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/02/06/democrats_eyeing_a_novel_target_vp/

Democrats running for the presidential nomination have consistently trained their sights on President Bush, but the candidates and party leaders have spotted another target they believe shows that the administration's policies are conceived in secrecy and skewed to the rich: Vice President Dick Cheney.

The low-key, tough-talking vice president is portrayed by Democrats as a sinister operator behind the curtain of the Bush administration, secretly meeting with oil executives to formulate energy policy and intimidating intelligence officials into bolstering the case for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. Cheney's past ties to Halliburton, in particular, provide fodder for attack ads that are being considered for the fall campaign, say Democrats.

In two ways, those criticisms of Cheney represent novel political attacks on a vice president, political analysts say. Previous knocks on vice presidents suggested they were unfit to serve as president if something happened to the chief executive, but the criticism of Cheney instead hints that he is the real force behind the administration and a symbol of everything about it that is seen as wrong.

"He personifies a whole set of problems with the administration Democrats want to point out," said Harrison Hickman, a Democratic pollster who worked for Al Gore.

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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 01:57 PM
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1. The risk here is that Cheney will retire ("heart problem")
and we'll end up running against the rumored Bush/Guliani '04.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:30 PM
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4. Guiliani won't be chosen ever.
He's pro-gay and pro-choice. No way, ever.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:13 PM
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19. sounds like Arnold
who now supports anti choice Bill Jones for Boxer's seat
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:00 PM
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2. Why they have to wait until the campaign
is simply beyond me. This duck-huntin', oil covered, bloody maggot is the worst thing to happen to this country since Nixon. He should have been in a federal penetentiary long ago.

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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:09 PM
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3. Gulanini
Has too many girlfriends in his past while married. The conservatives wouldn't stand for it he is not viable. Also his rep as mayor was not so hot before 9/11. Look to Frist to be the guy. Unless the ricin was sent by the conservatives and cheney.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:53 PM
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11. Giuliani. Just a correction.
Ask Dan Quayle how to spell it. Wouldn't that be fun?
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:04 PM
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12. interesting idea, the frist thing
giuliani's definitely out for all the reasons cited.

frist's little ricin episode sets him up not only to be a victim, but also a righteous warrior in the war aginst turrism.

frist is serious old nashville money. and hca, his family's chain of hospitals has paid multi-million dollar fines for overbilling the govt, which should give him tons of republican street cred.

hca hospitals do, however, provide abortion on demand. he had that nasty habit of adopting, then performing experiments on cats. and his prep school was (though no longer) one of the biggest bastions of racism in nashville. his son had a dui around thanksgiving, which means he's got some catching up to do with the bush twins.

frist could be a shrewd cheney replacement and the perfect person to hand the scepter to in '08. his successor will definitely not be jebbie. bush would never put himself in the position where a sibling could possibly show him up by doing a better job and being more popular. not that jebbie would, mind you. w. would just never give jebbie that opportunity.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:41 PM
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18. I think they'd do anything to win including Giuliani on the ticket
And IMHO anyone here who discounts that possibility is foolish. When Repugs want to win they can hold their nose on their candidate - just look at Arnold.

I think we should be careful what we wish for as far as the VP. I'm personally hoping Cheney hangs in there till it's too late.

I wonder if there's some power play between Cheney and General Karl?
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:31 PM
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5. Smart! Very smart to target Cheney, and do so in the most ruthless manner.
Cheney is unpleasant looking and a highly unsympathetic figure. He's very Nixonian. And people instinctively think he's the brains behind Bush Inc.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:51 PM
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9. Agree. And I smell internal warfare in the White House. Let's encourage!
Oh yeah, Cheney is vulnerable. And somebody leaked that his staff is responsible for the Plame leak. Who else could it be but the Rove guys, since Rove was initially accused? Rove v. Cheney. Oh yes, yes, yes.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:42 PM
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6. Dumb idea. Very dumb.
IMO, Cheney is already planning to jump ship. He's decided to be the designated whipping boy. He can take the blame for Plame, the intelligence failure, and the secret energy meetings, and Bush will get off scot-free.

Wouldn't surprise me if he picked his own brother as running mate.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:49 PM
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7. Neil Bush for VP! Great idea.
I know you meant Jeb, but wouldn't Neil be fun? "Say, who is that knocking on my door? What, you want to have sex with me? Well OK to that! A half million dollars just to use my name for a business deal? Sure. I am a proud Bush family member."
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:50 PM
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8. I'd love to have the opportunity to run against a bush/bush ticket
For that one, the entire nation would be out brush cutting.

It isn't enough to get Cheney out of office. He needs to be put on Ascension Island without a satellite phone.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 02:52 PM
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10. I would prefer Elba
Seems historically fitting.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:17 PM
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14. Let the French deal with Cheney
I hear they have their ways.:evilgrin:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:14 PM
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23. Too close to land, we want no escape, no Napoleonic replays
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:07 PM
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13. Bush/Bush--novel, but bad idea for them.
I don't think a Bush/Bush ticket would elicit much positive response. It would remind people of the aristocratic nature of the New England Bush oligarchs. It would remind people of monarchy. Bush is committed to Cheney as was senior committed to the hapless Quayle. If Cheney is dumped at this point, it's a victory and a sign of weakness.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:26 PM
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15. Dumping Cheney makes Cheney more of an issue
If Bush dumps Cheney, then his judgment in picking him in the first place is called into question. Even if they claim it's a health situation, I think most voters can see through that.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:31 PM
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17. We can ask: How deep does the problem go?
Bush picked Cheney after all. If we can successfully tag Cheney as the foulest of creatures, then it's Bush who's ultimately called into question. Smart people have been arguing for this for at least a year.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:18 PM
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20. Exactly
Dumping him does not solve the problem. Remember Spiro Agnew, anyone?
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:28 PM
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26. I do. But Agnew was different.
Agnew resigned cause he had taken bribes and not paid taxes on the bribe money. He pleaded no contest and resigned in 1973. Nixon/Watergate had nothing to do with Agnew.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:07 PM
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21. If you recall
Cheney picked himself. I think it was the plan all along, but he waited to pick himself until the point where there would be no time to dig.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:27 PM
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16. Yeah, but...
Cheney has that darn pacemaker. Could cite 'health problems' as the reason.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:11 PM
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22. Look between the lines. It's a great idea.
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 05:11 PM by reprobate
Don't care if crash cart does resign. While he's there painting him as the power behind the throne also paints * as the moron that he is. If cheney's in charge what's bush doing there? That's the question that we want to bring to everyone's lips. That way it doesn't matter who runs as vp, bush will be toast.
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CarlWoodward Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:51 PM
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24. Cheney will stay
I doubt the Bush clan would dump Cheney. They're too obsessed with this fetishized idea of "loyalty" to toss him. It's the same reason Bush Sr. kept Quayle, even though that VP was a national laughingstock.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:13 PM
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25. GO DEMS! Cheney IS the admin; Cheney is PNAC; Cheney is the whole show
I don't understand this talk about replacing Cheney. Bush works for Cheney, not the other way around. No way is Cheney going away. There are still lives to be ruined, environments to destroy and poor people's pockets to pick.

Note that Cheney flunked out of Yale. He's a founding member of PNAC. And, according to O'Neill, he is Bush's "puppeteer."

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http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2002/poycheney2.html

After Cheney graduated from high school, Tom Stroock, a local oilman who was impressed by the young man, arranged his entrance and full scholarship to Yale. After four semesters, Cheney's grades were so bad, the university asked him to leave. David Nicholas, who has known Cheney since junior high school and who went to Harvard, thinks part of the problem was that the Casper schools had not prepared the boys for Ivy League academics. "We were competing with kids who went to Andover and Exeter, and they knew what it was all about," Nicholas observes. What's more, say those who knew Cheney then, he spent more time "in the bend-your-elbow club," as a former Yalie puts it, than in the library. Cheney hung out with his cohort on the freshman football team, stayed up late playing cards and drinking beer. "Dick wasn't big on studying," remembers Jacob Plotkin, one of his roommates.

Cheney got a union job laying power lines in the blue-collar town of Rock Springs, Wyo. He stayed in constant touch with Lynne, who was in college in Colorado; he had had to endure teasing from Plotkin for writing her almost daily from Yale. On occasion, he drank too much - a practice that led to two DUI arrests within a year. Cheney told Nicholas years later that the arrests motivated him to get his career on track. In addition, Lynne, according to Stroock, "was firm that she did not want to spend the rest of her life married to a lineman."

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

June 3, 1997
Project for a New American Century
Statement of Principles


<snip>

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

* we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

* we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

* we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

* we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

<signatories>

Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Project for a New American Century
Letter to President Clinton on Iraq
January 26, 1998


<snip>

Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4715-2004Jan9.html

President Bush showed little interest in policy discussions in his first two years in the White House, leading Cabinet meetings "like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people," former Treasury secretary Paul H. O'Neill says in an upcoming book on the Bush White House.

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2004/01/15/o_neill /

O'Neill sounds an alarm against an unfit president who lacks "credibility with his most senior officials," behind whom looms a dark "puppeteer," as O'Neill calls Cheney, and a closed cabal. "A strict code of personal fealty to Bush -- animated by the embrace of a few unquestioned ideologues -- seemed to be in collision with a faith in the broader ideals of honest inquiry."

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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040119-574809,00....

So, what does O'Neill reveal? According to the book, ideology and electoral politics so dominated the domestic-policy process during his tenure that it was often impossible to have a rational exchange of ideas. The incurious President was so opaque on some important issues that top Cabinet officials were left guessing his mind even after face-to-face meetings. Cheney is portrayed as an unstoppable force, unbowed by inconvenient facts as he drives Administration policy toward his goals.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml?c...

But O'Neill thought it should have been the end. After 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, the budget deficit was growing. So at a meeting with the vice president after the mid-term elections in 2002, Suskind writes that O'Neill argued against a second round of tax cuts.

"Cheney, at this moment, shows his hand," says Suskind. "He says, ˜You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due." O'Neill is speechless.

<snip>

The former treasury secretary accuses Vice President Dick Cheney of not being an honest broker, but, with a handful of others, part of "a praetorian guard that encircled the president" to block out contrary views. "This is the way Dick likes it," says O'Neill.


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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml?c...

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," says O'Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

<snip>

He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. "There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, "˜Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,'" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001.

Based on his interviews with O'Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq's oil wealth.

He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts," which includes a map of potential areas for exploration.

"It talks about contractors around the world from, you know, 30-40 countries. And which ones have what intentions," says Suskind. "On oil in Iraq."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A39500-2003Aug9?language=prin...

Cheney raised the alarm about Iraq's nuclear menace three times in August. He was far ahead of the president's public line. Only Bush and Cheney know, one senior policy official said, "whether Cheney was trying to push the president or they had decided to play good cop, bad cop."

On Aug. 7, Cheney volunteered in a question-and-answer session at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, speaking of Hussein, that "left to his own devices, it's the judgment of many of us that in the not-too-distant future, he will acquire nuclear weapons." On Aug. 26, he described Hussein as a "sworn enemy of our country" who constituted a "mortal threat" to the United States. He foresaw a time in which Hussein could "subject the United States or any other nation to nuclear blackmail."

"We now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons," he said. "Among other sources, we've gotten this from firsthand testimony from defectors, including Saddam's own son-in-law."

That was a reference to Hussein Kamel, who had managed Iraq's special weapons programs before defecting in 1995 to Jordan. But Saddam Hussein lured Kamel back to Iraq, and he was killed in February 1996, so Kamel could not have sourced what U.S. officials "now know." And Kamel's testimony, after defecting, was the reverse of Cheney's description. In one of many debriefings by U.S., Jordanian and U.N. officials, Kamel said on Aug. 22, 1995, that Iraq's uranium enrichment programs had not resumed after halting at the start of the Gulf War in 1991. According to notes typed for the record by U.N. arms inspector Nikita Smidovich, Kamel acknowledged efforts to design three different warheads, "but not now, before the Gulf War."

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92372,00.html

Cheney Energy Task Force Documents Detail Iraqi Oil Industry
Friday, July 18, 2003

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force appeared to have some interest in early 2001 in Iraq's oil industry, including which foreign companies were pursuing business there, according to documents released Friday by a private watchdog group.

Judicial Watch (search), a conservative legal group, obtained a batch of task force-related Commerce Department papers that included a detailed map of Iraq's oil fields, terminals and pipelines as well as a list entitled "Foreign Suitors of Iraqi Oilfield Contracts."

The papers also included a detailed map of oil fields and pipelines in Saudi Arabia and in the United Arab Emirates and a list of oil and gas development projects in those two countries.

The papers were dated early March 2001, about two months before the Cheney energy task force completed and announced its report on the administration's energy needs and future energy agenda.<more>

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24386-2002Dec7?language=prin...

Cheney's Home Sending Bad Vibrations
Construction Blasts Have D.C. Folks Shuddering, Speculating
Sunday, December 8, 2002; Page A01

No one in the Massachusetts Avenue Heights neighborhood of Northwest Washington knows what is going on at the house of their neighbor, the vice president of the United States.

But one thing is certain: They're tired of the daily blasting at the Naval Observatory that has shaken houses, rattled windows and knocked mirrors off the walls.

<snip>

The blasts, which last three to five seconds apiece, have been going off two or three times a day -- as early as 7 a.m. and as late as 11 p.m. -- for nearly two months, residents say. But neighbors have received so little information from government officials about the top-secret project that speculation is running wild.

The leading theory: A security bunker is being built for Vice President Cheney. The second most-popular guess: The government is digging tunnels to spy on nearby embassies. In third place: A helicopter hangar is under construction.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20584-2002Feb28?language=pri...

Shadow Government Is at Work in Secret
After Attacks, Bush Ordered 100 Officials to Bunkers Away From Capital to Ensure Federal Survival
Friday, March 1, 2002; Page A01

President Bush has dispatched a shadow government of about 100 senior civilian managers to live and work secretly outside Washington, activating for the first time long-standing plans to ensure survival of federal rule after catastrophic attack on the nation's capital.

<snip>Known internally as the COG, for "continuity of government," the administration-in-waiting is an unannounced complement to the acknowledged absence of Vice President Cheney from Washington for much of the pastfive months. Cheney's survival ensures constitutional succession, one official said, but "he can't run the country by himself." With a core group of federal managers alongside him, Cheney -- or President Bush, if available -- has the means to give effect to his orders.

<snip>

According to officials with first-hand knowledge, the Bush administration conceived the move that morning as a temporary precaution, likely to last only days. But further assessment of terrorist risks persuaded the White House to remake the program as a permanent feature of "the new reality, based on what the threat looks like," a senior decisionmaker said.

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http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Rebuilding America's Defenses
A Report of the Project for the New American Century
September 2000


In particular, we need to:

ESTABLISH FOUR CORE MISSIONS for U.S. military forces:

*defend the American homeland;
* fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars;
* perform the 'constabulary' duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions;
* transform U.S. forces to exploit the 'revolution in military affairs;'

To carry out these core missions, we need to provide sufficient force and budgetary allocations. In particular, the United States must:

<snip>

DEVELOP AND DEPLOY GLOBAL MISSILE DEFENSES to defend the American homeland and American allies, and to provide a secure basis for U.S. power projection around the world.

CONTROL THE NEW 'INTERNATIONAL COMMONS' OF SPACE AND 'CYBERSPACE,' and pave the way for the creation of a new military service 'U.S. Space Forces' with the mission of space control.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/15/national/15BUSH.html?pagewanted=2

Bush Backs Goal of Flight to Moon

"The plan was put together under the direction of the National Security Council. Participants said that Vice President Dick Cheney had run several meetings and that the deputy national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, had organized many of the options. "The president didn't make these choices, but he approved them," a senior official said."

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