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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 08:52 PM Original message |
Barack Obama links Israel peace plan to 1967 borders deal |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think that might go over better with two modifications |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I fear Jerusalem will be the sticking point |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I used to be opposed to dividing Jerusalem at all |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Seems to be where this is heading |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Why? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. What do you think should happen with Jerusalem? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
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morillon (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Uhh, wow. |
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asksam (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. He does have a valid point, however... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
51. Thank goodness that bigoted post was deleted. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Deleted sub-thread |
High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. A warmonger's prescription for perpetual war. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Th'Bamyan Buddhas date from th'6th century; th'region's been mainly Islamic since th'9th century |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Israel has no right to the old city of Jerusalem, |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. What is the difference between the 1948 borders and the 1967 borders? |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. This appears to show the 1948 borders |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yes, that is what they mean by the 1967 borders |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. go here for a map of the borders: |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Which borders would you be proposing? |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
65. The link he/she provided has a map labeled 1947 Partition Plan. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Are those the borders that the poster is suggesting? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Any talk of "right" to territory is a dealbreaker |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Because the huge amount of land set aside for the Arabs wasn't enough for them? |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. You mean the huge amount of land taken from the Palestinians, don't you? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Where did all those ancient Jewish holy sites come from? |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. ancient is I think the key word. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I grasp the difference |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Based on the outline points I've read it seems like a reasonable proposal. nt |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
67. Actually, Jerusalem was originally a pagan city dedicated to "Shalem" -- thus the name. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
66. I guess you're trying to get the thread locked because the Golan was always Syrian land, now occupie |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
54. And reward the Palestinians |
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jrockford (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. It doesn't need modification |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Re-establish a British protectorate? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
68. "What exactly are you proposing?" |
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Altean Wanderer (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. This sounds reasonable to me and that .... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Most agree that the eventually peace deal will look something like that |
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Celebrandil (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Yes... the devil was alive last time too |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. Yep. That's about how it went down. Arafat did a number of things wrong, but that was not one. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
16. This May Not Go Well |
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waronxmas (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
19. Here's a solution |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 04:26 AM Response to Original message |
20. I really hope it happens! |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. What does Israel get out of the deal ? promise of peace ? |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Yes, they get peace. Why not have the U.N. administer both the Golan Height and Jerusalem for as |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. You're willing to rely on the UN? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Ah, you're always there to pimp a conservative viewpoint. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Ridiculous.... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. It's just that YOUR side always seems to reflect the conservative one. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I take whichever side I see as being correct.... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Fair point about the union-bashing. It makes no sense. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
30. Israel has peace now |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
56. I'm also wondering why PE Obama is picking now to step into this |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
36. Good luck... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
37. This article is full of shit! |
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
39. Wow - 1967 borders, Golan Heights to Syria, divided Jerusalem... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. A little justness IS refreshing, isn't it? |
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Yep |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
50. The best solution regarding Jerusalem would be to give it to NOBODY |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 07:05 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Nothing. I like it. NT |
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zelta gaisma (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
55. sit back and watch Israel have.. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Not, I think, if Livni wins the election. |
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legin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
57. Peace plan number 9,283,457 |
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legin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I wonder what is going to happen in the Jordan Valley |
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legin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Maybe 'floating a Peace Plan' |
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legin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I've been down in the basement |
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legin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. What it's like for Palestinians in Hebron (2002 article) |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. More recent info about Hebron (October 2008) |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
62. Top Obama aide denies report president-elect will back Arab peace plan |
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