Doctors shocked at hostages's torture

[Behind the Aegis]

Source: Rediff India Abroad

Krishnakumar P and Vicky Nanjappa in Mumbai | November 30, 2008 19:53 IST

They said that just one look at the bodies of the dead hostages as well as terrorists showed it was a battle of attrition that was fought over three days at the Oberoi and the Taj hotels in Mumbai.
Doctors working in a hospital where all the bodies, including that of the terrorists, were taken said they had not seen anything like this in their lives.

"Bombay has a long history of terror. I have seen bodies of riot victims, gang war and previous terror attacks like bomb blasts. But this was entirely different. It was shocking and disturbing," a doctor said.

Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: "It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim's body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words," he said.



Read more: http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/30mumterror-doctors-shocked-at-hostagess-torture.htm

[seemslikeadream]

1. I wonder if those Dr.s have been in Iraq recently

[marshall]

29. Have those doctors seen the internet beheadings?

I saw one--it looked like they were sawing his head off with a rusty dull hack saw. Surely that is just as disturbing.

[acmavm]

2. Coward bastards...

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The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: "Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again," he said.

Corroborating the doctors' claims about torture was the information that the Intelligence Bureau had about the terror plan. "During his interrogation, Ajmal Kamal said they were specifically asked to target the foreigners, especially the Israelis," an IB source said.

It is also said that the Israeli hostages were killed on the first day as keeping them hostage for too long would have focused too much international attention. "They also might have feared the chances of Israeli security agencies taking over the operations at the Nariman House," he reasoned.

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[sce56]

5. Humm from listening to you maybe we should have hired them to find Osam Bin Forgotten!

After all Mohamed Atta did get 100K wired to him from Pakistan!

[Bigmack]

7. My first thought....

after I heard O bin L's name was "I wonder how much the Mossad would charge to whack this guy?"

Turns out we could have paid billions and still come out ahead. Same with Saddam.

I know... I know... things aren't that simple, but ......

[sce56]

30. Yeah I thought I smelled Pizza!

[WritersBlock]

13. The term "Pakis" really says a lot in your post. n/t

[Dorian Gray]

18. All i have to say

is GO mossad. I hope that they get the leaders of the group that perpetrated this attack.

[eridani]

16. I'd say psychopathic bastards myself

This isn't new. Most of the civilian victims in WW II didn't look a lot better. Concentration camp, napalm from a bombing mission, whatever. This is every bit as horrible as the doctors and everybody else thinks it is--it just isn't any different from modern warfare in general. Google "Iraq" + "Highway of Death" for another example.

[hlthe2b]

3. One has to hope maybe there is a heaven of some kind...

For those who suffered so before death...

[KakistocracyHater]

6. their faces were shot off

the commandos brought in faceless-unidentifiable-bodies; call me suspicious but that is too convenient, & no one wanted even 1 alive to question? I hope they do start to connect them to polygraph machines & ask very carefully formed yes/no questions. The responses should reveal the truth, it just takes a little sophistication for the proper questions. There is your "24" response from me.

[rainbow4321]

8. Weird they would say about them being faceless

Cuz on one of the local blogs there was a pic of a body and the caption said it was one of the terrorists at that site and his face was very much intact.

[Nexus7]

10. No idea what you mean...

What is too convenient? Do you suspect that the commandos tortured the terrorists? If you mean that is why they made them faceless (whatever the article means by that), then, you know, stuff happens. Nothwithstanding the reference to the silly show "24", if the commandos lost it on the low-life when they found out what they did, I can hardly blame them.

I do wonder why the article is quoting someone saying they didn't want any of them alive, given as how they would be aware they could get intel from them. But then again, the terrorists would be instructed by their ISI (or whoever) masters not to be taken alive anyway.

Another thing I wonder about is if anybody makes tranquilizer bullets.

[KakistocracyHater]

11. the possibility that those bodies

were victims & not the terrorists-THAT is what is ringing my alarm bells.

[rasputin1952]

9. The people who carried this out, and those that planned it...

were/are cowards. Tie individauls up, then torure them, that is beyond despicable.

My heart breaks when I read such things...I know that the families of these victims will never attain any kind of acceptance or solace...asnd the worst part, this will happen again, somehere, some time, and that is even worse...:(

I will go down fighting, some SOB is going with me if this ever happens around me.

[SpiralHawk]

15. "I wonder where they got the idea that torture is a family value?" - Commander AWOL

[leftynyc]

32. As much as I loathe this administration

They did not invent torture.

[MadMaddie]

28. rasputin1952 I agree with you

These cowards rely on fear to keep their captives under control. If I am going they are going with me....that's all.

[KakistocracyHater]

12. the non-silly "24" ref

is a foundational arguement for torture & I am trying to create a viable alternative that would actually work; let me be very direct & clear about this: TORTURE DOES NOT WORK. It destroys the human personality in that it makes them go insane; the torturers could make someone confess to being from Mars, it would not make it a true statement. A polygraph test should let authorities determine rather quickly if the suspect is involved for real.

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. I hate these kind of articles that won't provide details.

Useless without details.

[cali]

17. I agree

this smells of propaganda. reeks of it in fact. and that in no way means that what happened was terrible and tragic.

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. Exactly.

[mopinko]

22. yup

like soldiers stealing bassinets reeking.

[lunatica]

20. I agree and it's very suspicious that doctors claim such squeemish sensibilities

I just don't believe it. It all reads like a planted story to me. Weren't the terrorists stuck and fighting for their own lives? But even though the special forces are just outside the door the terrorists take time out to torture their hostages so severely that trained doctors can't stand to even describe it, although they go on record saying it was terrible, too terrible to describe.

I think it's crap.

[sufrommich]

21. "terrorist stuck and fighting for their own lives"

It's a far more common phenomena that these terrorist did not plan on living though the attack.I don't doubt they did incredibly vicious things to their captives,terrorists planning that kind of attack don't usually plan on being alive to offer an explanation,the whole point is to produce terror in the hearts and minds among the living.

[fed_up_mother]

23. Agreed. The siege went on for a long time. Sixty hours? Definitely had time to torture .

[Fumesucker]

24. There has been at least one report posted on DU that the terrorists hoped to get away..

The reports so far are conflicting as to the ultimate intentions of the terrorists.

[lunatica]

27. There's a difference between suicide terrorists and other kinds

Terrorists have been doing great damage for decades. It didn't just start on 9/11.

The one thing that all terrorists have in common is that they go for as large a body count as they can.

During the Munich Olympics the terrorists definitely wanted to get away. The terrorists in Mumbai wanted to sneak in and take hostages. Then when they realized they weren't going to get out alive they killed their hostages. Very similar to the Munich hostage situation.

[KurtNYC]

25. if someone can write the scripts for the Saw movies then there are words

for any kind of horrific disgusting gore. But in the hyperbolic language of the MSM they love to say that things are: unimaginable, unthinkable, unspeakable, etc

[Truth Teller]

26. Yawn.

"I am still unable to put my thoughts to words"

"I am unable to fabricate all the details, so I'll let you imagine" is more like it.

[IndianaGreen]

31. Mumbai attacks: Jews tortured before being executed during hostage crisis

Mumbai attacks: Jews tortured before being executed during hostage crisis

Israeli hostages killed by Islamic terrorists during the attacks on Mumbai (formerly Bombay) were tortured by their captors before they were bound together and killed, according to officials in both countries.

By Damien McElroy in Bombay
Last Updated: 4:52PM GMT 01 Dec 2008

Jewish victims made up a disproportionate number of the foreigners killed after 10 Muslim fanatics stormed a series of sites in the Indian financial capital.

Members of the beleaguered Jewish community in Mumbai gathered at a crumbling synagogue for a memorial for Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivka, who ran the cultural centre targeted by the Deccan Mujahideen.

The couple's son, Moshe survived after his nanny, Sandra Samuel escaped with him in her arms 10 hours after the hostage incident started. The child cried "Ima" and "Dada," or mummy and daddy, as the service began.

Mosche's grandparents have arrived from Israel to take the orphaned boy home and there is intense pressure to grant Miss Samuel a visa by declaring her righteous among the gentiles.

Two countries have posted officials at the JJ Hospital morgue but there are at least twice as many Israeli disaster specialists as British consuls representing the former colonial power.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3539171/Mumbai-attacks-Jews-tortured-before-executed-during-hostage-crisis.html