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BlueJessamine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:07 PM Original message |
In Courtroom Showdown, Bush Demands Amnesty for Spying Telecoms |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. They have a very good argument and should prevail in this court. |
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Kevin Cloyd (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
28. THIS PROGRAM STARTED MONTHS BEFORE 9/11 |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. I hope PE will pardon him. nm |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. Unbelievable---!!! Someone who tried to protect us... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. Didn't the spying start BEFORE 9/11/2001 |
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UpInArms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. I shall hope that the EFF prevails and the BFEE |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. will it be on cspan? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. I don't think we stand a chance. But we can hope a little. |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Shred the Fourth Amendment and, while you're at it, the entire Bill of Rights nt |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
6. "Preemptive immunity" may suggest to a judge that a crime was committed. |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #6 |
56. Indeed! |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. .. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. hmm... because he did not want the mcCrazy camp to accuse him... |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. and now i'm hoping that he starts standing up for our constitutional rights |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
39. bullshit. |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
9. Retroactive Immunity is in itself Orwellian...there is NO basis for it |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. I guess I'm confused because |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. Fingers crossed...but then we have had so many let downs.... |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. As I asked in another thread, doesn't Congress have the power to do this under Article III Section 2 |
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digidigido (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
12. Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. in other words...? n/t |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. In other words.... |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 06:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. The ex post facto provision doesn't apply |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
41. I think it clear... |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. The Supreme Court decided |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. 1798. They don't write them like that anymore. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. If they decided that case today |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-04-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Yes, today we are more... ahem... sophisticated... |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
43. Don't bring pardon into this |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
13. Has Judge Vaughn ruled in any similar cases? |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
14. What happened to no ex post facto laws? |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3: "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law will be passed." |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. ex post facto means making something criminal retroactively |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
57. The ex post facto clause does not apply. |
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Titonwan (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
15. Next to Impeaching Bush and Cheney, |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. I don't think it is the telcos "getting away with" anything. |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Well.. of course they want to "get away" with it... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. As I recall this any such approach is supposed to be reported to FISA Judge ... |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. This is a fight worth standing up for..... |
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noise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
19. Hopefully |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
20. Screw em |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
21. K&R nt |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
23. KR |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
27. If Qwest Could Refuse, They All Could Have |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Remember, BushCo is a crime family. The Qwest CEO was the horses head in AT&Ts bed. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 06:02 AM Response to Reply #27 |
54. Ask Joe Nacchio what happens when you refuse |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
29. K&R |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
30. Can someone give me all the reasons Obama voted for that? |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Really really good question. The best I can figure.... |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I think it's fairly simple: election year politics. |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Agree. |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. so I just got back here. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
31. The phone records will show how the vote was stolen over telephone lines. |
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stubtoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Now THAT makes sense. |
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keepthemhonest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. very interesting... |
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dchristie (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
40. So much for all that cool and welcome "change" we voted for |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
46. Sing together now -- "You CAN'T always GET what you WANT ..." nt |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
50. Fuck him! |
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orbitalman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. DITTO |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
58. Not only should these providers not be granted immunity, they should be banned from the net. |
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