Israel said to be studying Iran attack

[DogPoundPup]

Source: UPI

JERUSALEM, Dec. 4 (UPI) -- Israel is reported to be looking over possible options for a strike on Iranian nuclear facilities without U.S. involvement, the Jerusalem Post says.

While preferring U.S. coordination, Israeli defense forces say they are looking over the possibility of going on such a mission without it, reports said.

"It is always better to coordinate. But we are also preparing options that do not include coordination," a Defense Ministry official said last week," the Post reported.

Several news reports said that U.S. President George Bush refused to give Israel a green light for an Iranian attack. the Post said.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/04/Israel_said_to_be_studying_Iran_attack/UPI-87101228413350/

[BridgeTheGap]

1. This is news? The REAL news would be if they weren't! n.t.

[superconnected]

30. It's news because the US is supposedly not involved. Not that I believe that.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. Someone...

Is attempting to apply pressure to the US.

[JDPriestly]

3. Wait a minute. They haven't been able to achieve peace with

their next-door-neighbors and they want to start a war with the guy two houses down? Now what did you say the population of Israel was?

I'm a huge supporter of Israel, but isn't that little country biting off a bit more than it can chew? Who is going to be fighting this war when Israel gets attacked by one of its other neighbors? This does not sound at all realistic to me. It's either foolish or dishonest. Either they are going to put themselves out there to get badly hurt or they are planning to draw some other country in to defend them after they start a fight. This is not good.

[freedomnorth]

37. Sometimes its great to have the only nuclear deterrent in the neighborhood.

:nuke:

[acmavm]

4. Golly, they have the rest of this month and up to Jan 20th to decide.

[xen]

5. I hope they get a lesson

If Israel ever go ahead and Bomb Iran,I hope they get something they will never ever forget as long as they can remember.
Unfortunately I think the z ionist element have always had a death wish,and would like to hurry along the Rapture Armageddon thing,sad thing is I think we are all going to go down once this is triggered.
The international community have to carry out their responsibility and reign in Israel for once.
This small element of Arrogant people who runs Israel will be the death of us all.
This element seems like they can not wait to get to the pearly gates.

When people are overdosed on God and their religion,they think they have a divine right to do whatever the hell they want.
The uncontrolled arrogance that this causes,is so off the chain, that to do anything in the name of their God and religion,is justified. SICK

[LeftishBrit]

10. I hope no one gets a 'lesson' of that sort. That would mean lots of Israelis and Iranians getting

killed.

'Zionism' does not mean fanatical Armageddon-demanding religion. Only a small minority of Zionists/ Israelis are ultra-religious. The current PM of Israel certainly isn't, and indeed has called an election because she would NOT accommodate the demands of the small religious parties, and thus couldn't form a coalition with them.

Neither Israel or Iran should be treated as some sort of bogeynation that poses a terrible threat to the rest of the world. We've (America and 'Coalition of the Willing') caused enough problems for the entire world already by treating Iraq in that way.

[groovedaddy]

12. "I hope they get something they will never ever forget as long as they can remember"

Ah, I believe that's already happened. It's called the holocaust. And, yes, the avoidance of another one drives many of their policy decisions.

[U4ikLefty]

32. Israel was a victim of the holocaust?

[Behind the Aegis]

40. No, But, many of its citizens and their descendants were.

Then again, from what I have observed, many would be horrified were it to happen again, but not until after it happened.

[Name removed]

34. Deleted message

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[Behind the Aegis]

35. Funny, many thought the Jews deserved the last Holocaust too.

:puke:

[LeftishBrit]

42. Do you also think that America and the UK deserve a holocaust?

We actually did start a horrific war in the Middle East, after all.

Do you really think that all the people of a country deserve violent destruction because of what their leaders do? It's one thing to say that such a consequence may happen; another to say that all the people deserve it.

Sometimes I can't believe what I see on a liberal board.

[Flagg]

6. No problems with Israel fighting its own battles.

as long as they don't drag other nations into their mess.

[Truth Teller]

7. "Iran said to be studying Israel attack"

Could you imagine the reaction to that headline?

[FiveGoodMen]

18. Yes, it is a bit one-sided, isn't it?

[LeftishBrit]

8. There have been so many reports...

of both Iranian threats to Israel and Israeli threats to Iran, that frankly it's getting to be like the 'boy who cried wolf'.

I am sure that Israel has plans available for retaliation IF attacked; but I think it's pretty unlikely that this will happen in the near future.

Israel has only an acting government at the moment; Livni was unable to form a workable coalition after Olmert resigned, and they aren't having elections for a couple of months. I don't think they're going to start any major military action right at the moment, unless directly attacked/ threatened with imminent attack.

[Submariner]

9. Israel needs to give up it's nuke weapons if they want Iran to give

up their nuke weapon program. Start negotiating. In that way, neither country can harm us or others.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. Why?

Why must Israel give up its supposed nukes if they want Iran to give up their weapon program?

[Submariner]

13. Simple, if Iran is convinced they would not be threatened by Israeli nukes

because they didn't have them anymore, then maybe the world community can convince Iran that they are not under a nuclear threat and will give up their march toward nuclear proliferation. The nukes can't be lit off, so it makes no sense to have them in the first place. Having unstable highly religious governments with their hands on nukes is like children playing with matches. Someone is going to have an accident, and it won't be only those at ground zero harmed.

[Dreamer Tatum]

14. Who has threatened to wipe whom off the face of the Earth?

"We're building nukes to make us safe from the nukes you have. It's just defensive, you see."

"Oh, and we will wipe you off the face of the Earth."


Got it.

[Submariner]

16. Everyone knows where the threats are coming from

"We're building nukes to make us safe from the nukes you have. It's just defensive, you see."

You made my point. If Israel is seen giving up their nuke stockpile, then Iran's DEFENSE argument goes away and they have to stop whatever nuke weapons program they have underway. Got it.

[Dreamer Tatum]

17. Shockingly naive.

So, you think that if Israel dismantles its nukes, Iran won't build any?

Really?

Again, who has publicly stated their desire to see the other removed from the planet altogether?

Which side has had nukes for some time and has not used them?

[Submariner]

19. You don't think clearly do you?

If Israel states it will send it's nukes back to the U.S., IF Iran stops their nuke weapon program, then done deal. If Iran then reneges, then the world can call them on their bullshit about the defense argument, and sanction the hell out of them.

Without nukes, neither can remove the other from anywhere, and both sides know they can't launch against each other and survive, so that battle is lost already. That runt Ahmadinejad is on the outs with his religious leaders, which signals a probably softer spoken Iran prez next time around. After all, Ahmadinejad is a product of the U.S. inflicting the planet with that idiot Bush. With Bush gone, at least we'll be able to talk to the bastards.

[Dreamer Tatum]

20. Oh come on

Iran is going to build a bomb whether Israel has them or not.

ONCE MORE, and this is NOT a rhetorical question: who has threatened the existence of whom, on many different occasions?

Israel getting rid of their nukes would ensure its destruction at the hands of a nuclear Iran.

Ahmadinejad isn't running the centrifuges in his spare time - the development of nukes is a policy of the state. They
will seek them out regardless of who is in power there.

[azurnoir]

25. Damn you must have a good intel connect n/t

[Dreamer Tatum]

28. If by intel you mean I read the news, then I suppose so

Unless, of course, Ahmadinejad was simply misquoted every time he said Israel should be wiped off the planet.

New DU aphorism: "The enemy of my enemy was just misquoted."

:eyes:

[azurnoir]

31. Ah ha

no not saying that you just seem to interpret "w-right"

[nebenaube]

29. I think that

I think that you are shockingly gullible. Everyone on this site knows that quote about wiping them of the map had more to do with being a poor translation that was spun into a threat for propaganda purposes.

[Dreamer Tatum]

33. Um, yeah.

Farsi must be the most subtle, difficult language in the universe to translate. I mean, how odd that

"Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken. Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation" (this is an actual quote, by the way)

can be easily mistaken for

"Happy Birthday, Israel, from your buddies a couple of countries over!"


On the off chance that you're serious, come the fuck off of it.

[freedomnorth]

36. Perhaps Ahmanidejad just wanted to get rid of the Zionist Regime.

In the same way that Bush wanted to get rid of Baath Regime in Iraq. Regime is not word for a country or its people as I understand.

[Behind the Aegis]

38. So explain this...

""Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken."

Seems he uses "Israeli" and "Zionist" interchangeably, similarly to many here and other places.

[freedomnorth]

41. One explanation could be that those words are kind of interchangeable,

"Zionism" being ideology of the regime and "Israel" being country ruled by the regime. As being different aspects of same regime.
Clinton and GWB also used different adjectives: "Saddam Hussein's regime", "Bath regime", "regime of terror" and whatnot.
Alas, change of descriptive adjectives does not change meaning of word regime.

"In politics, a regime is the form of government: the set of rules, cultural or social norms, etc. that regulate the operation of government and its interactions with society."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regime

Regime does not include state, country, people or even society. Nevertheless, it seems that getting from speaking of annihilation of regime by it own destructive policies to extermination of entire country requires fair amount of spin.

This could of course all be translation error as noted above. We are, after all meddling with second hand translation.

[LeftishBrit]

43. Even if that were true, it's not an inspiring example.

We know the horrors caused by Bush's desire for regime change!

ETA: I am against any attack on Iran, and don't think that Ahmadinejad has the power to wipe anyone off the map (and his statements are usually expressed in terms of wishes and hopes, not plans of action). But that doesn't make him a harmless fellow, and careful watching, diplomatic pressure, and if necessary economic sanctions may be warranted. As with many other regimes. The Iranian government isn't uniquely evil, despite Bush's attempt to treat it as a bogeynation. But it is one of many very nasty governments.

[Dreamer Tatum]

45. Oh, well then, it's all good.

Sorry...didn't account for Iran's divine right to remove regimes it doesn't care for.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. But that doesn't mean it will happen.

Fact is, Iran is a member of the NPT, Israel is not. Therefore, it is more responsible to hold Iran to its obligations, and go from that point in discussions. I think the biggest threat, at this point may be the newly strengthening I/P (India/Pakistan) conflict, also an on-going one.

[Angleae]

26. As if Iran were being run by stable, rational people.

Try again. Most countries are run by relatively unstable people, including Iran. They think they are "God's gift" to the world and have a mandate to do what they want. If Israel give up its nuclear weapons, Iran (& others) would simply see it as an opportunity to use its own chemical & biological weapons without retaliation.

[wuushew]

21. Israel can't do crap without resorting to nukes

It would take a heavy sustained air campaign the likes not seen since the first Gulf War to do any significant damage to Iran. That ability is beyond the capability of the Israeli airforce.

It's a fair distance to Iran, even taking a direct route over Iraqi airspace. How much payload will be left after the necessary fuel stores? :shrug:

[bemildred]

22. Yet another Israel studying Iran attack story (YAISIAS).

:puke:

[Trajan]

23. Anybody who thinks such plans are not already drawn up is being naive ...

The various scenarios have already been designed and sussed out ages ago ....

Think "War Games" ....

In the end: It would be suicidal .... as would any exchange of nuclear weapons in this crazy world ....

You would think a man smart enough to design such a weapon would be smart enough to overcome their own hatreds ....

[azurnoir]

24. Abit late but there was thread earlier today that could relate

Two Nations one Goal

MIDDLE EAST — More than 90 Marines and Sailors from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit’s Battalion Landing Team 2/6’s Golf Company participated in bilateral infantry training with a Middle Eastern nation, from Nov. 18-24. “We were able to integrate with them and provide feedback on how they can improve their training and best utilize the weapons systems that they currently have organic to their units,” said Capt. Anthony Johnston, Golf Company’s commanding officer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=259&topic_id=20999&

[goforit]

27. Where are the moderators!!@!!Anything with the Word "Israel" does not belong on LBN

[Behind the Aegis]

39. Wow! That sounds bigoted!

"Anything with the Word "Israel" does not belong on LBN"

Is that bigotry or sarcasm?

[wuushew]

44. Probably satire since the rules do support the poster's supposition

7. Discussion of Israeli/Palestinian issues is not permitted in the Latest Breaking News forum, and instead must be posted in the Israeli/Palestinian Affairs forum. If, however, the news item is primarily about U.S. policy in Israeli/Palestinian affairs, you may post it in the Latest Breaking News forum.