Sara Lee cutting 700 jobs in outsourcing move

[OhioChick]

Source: Marketwatch

8:39 a.m. EST Dec. 11, 2008

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Sara Lee Corp. (SLE:Sara Lee Corporation SLE 9.33, +0.30, +3.3%) on Thursday said it will reduce its work force by 700 jobs as part of plan to cut costs by up to $250 million. The Downers Grove, Ill. cake maker said it'll outsource part of its North American and European transaction processing and applications development operations. At the end of fiscal year 2008, Sara Lee listed about 44,000 employees worldwide.

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Interesting Comments Follow the Article.

[glowing]

1. I don't like her Sara Lee stuff anyways.. great time to boycott the company.

[Freddie Stubbs]

4. Boycotting the company will cause them to hire back layed off workers?

[glowing]

8. No, it will put them completely out of business... and a business that

actually does things right will come in and take over. Sara Lee will be dead.. unless they are too big to fail.

[AllentownJake]

9. They are outsourcing back office operations

You realize you are waging war on the bakery folks who still work in this country by doing that.

[glowing]

15. Perhaps, they'll come together and make a company that works for them.

That's what a lot of people will begin doing.. Pooling together and creating companies that work for them.. profit share companies that are good for all; not a bottom line. These will be the companies of the future.

[AllentownJake]

17. With what start up capital?

[glowing]

27. That will come with direct loans from the Govt in order to rev up jobs.

Don't think low interest loans and some start up capital grants aren't on their way. Obama cannot create every job. The Govt runs on revenue from taxes.. it will have to spend some, but it can't do all the work. Co-Op jobs will be the way of the future. Then people who know how to do things can come together, make good choices, share in profits, and set schedules that work for their lives.

[AllentownJake]

29. Not holding my breath for that one

Great idea in theory in practice it will never work.

Kill a company that employs mostly Americans because they outsource a small function in relation to their workforce of which there is probably a good union prescence (1.5%) and try to replace it with a theoritical model.

[glowing]

47. Why not.. its essentially how "family" businesses work. Why not

encompass a few families? AND its how a lot of small non-profits work. I can see it happening. Otherwise, entire communities will starve to death.

[OhioChick]

16. And outsourcing "back office operations" is okay?

While I feel for the bakery folks.....what about us in the tech industry?

[AllentownJake]

18. We are in a global economy.

We do export things in this country. I support fair trade (not free trade) however you can't expect to export to the rest of the world and not allow any imports.

[OhioChick]

22. That doesn't even make sense as to what I asked. n/t

[AllentownJake]

24. A frozen Sara Lee Pie made in America

may be sold accross the globe. Therefore other countries who could make the product at home are taking a product from the United States and we get our panties up in a bunch because a company that exports a product made in America has moved some of its back office operations to another country.

That's ridiculous.

[ChromeFoundry]

36. You are ridiculious...

When a product has been made here for years and the workers that made the name for the brand are ousted from their position for a greedy company to make additional profits of the labors of these displaced workers. The company was the benefactor of the work performed by the laborers. The company screwed over the employees when they moved their jobs overseas. The company reduced their cost of production, but they will continue to raise the cost of the product. Therefore, they are screwing the customer as well.

From your comments, you feel that your job is safe. When you lose your job, don't come crying around here because you will receive no sympathy. When your credit information is sold and you are forced to pay the fraudulent charges on your statement... don't come crying... you are ridiculous.

[AllentownJake]

41. Nobody who makes a pie is being laid off to start with

Companies outsource operations for back office all the time and one day I may get laid off. However this is the reality in the world we live in 2008. Shutting down our border to trade like Hoover tried to do in 1930 is going to result in even more job loss. We sell alot of professional services overseas. We are someone other countries outsource to as well. If we start punishing our companies for doing it than guess what they will punish us as well.

I'm sorry I'm not a communist. Companies are set up to make a profit. For all we know outsourcing those 700 white collar jobs with workers who have a college education and are easier to re-train and place in a different company saved 1400 union jobs in their manufacturing facility.

The key is a saftey net for workers when they get unemployed they can support themselves and be retrained if their skills are no longer relevant and investing in new technologies so that we are creating jobs at home.

[ChromeFoundry]

55. Being, somewhat self-sufficient is hardly Communism

When we lose all of our manufacturing and intelligence from this country we will rely on other countries to produce the products to defend ourselves. Maybe that has nothing to do with cookies.. but it has everything to do with automobiles, aircrafts, electronics, software development, communications, telemetry, GIS and intelligence... those are the jobs that are being offshored faster than any other of the sectors.

And your Tax comment is so narrowly thought through. Do you really think that moving manufacturing to different countries is reducing taxes? Compare the cost of a car manufactured completely in the US to a similar one made in Mexico... oh wait... no cars are completely manufactured here. Did the cost of a car drop since they moved the manufacturing facilities? Didn't think so. They didn't when the tariffs on Japanese cars were reduced either.

[AllentownJake]

58. NONE OF THESE JOBS WERE MANUFACTURING

Do you understand what back office operations are?

[ChromeFoundry]

60. That's right, you see no correlation between...

back office and manufacturing. Do you understand how neither can exist without the other?

[AllentownJake]

63. There is a giant difference in comparison

Back office jobs tend to be educated jobs i.e. people can look for work or are more able to be re-trained.

Manufacturing jobs are jobs that are harder to replace....so yes I differntiate the two.

I also understand we can't expect the rest of the world to get better if we don't let the rest of the world try to develop its own middle class.

[Azlady]

92. Are you kidding me!

My back office job - in the IT industry - I have lost my job four times to outsourcing/visa workers. Retrain? Ha! You know what... IF I get a response from an application - and this is a BIG IF... I am over qualified, even when going outside the IT Industry! Look for work? Do you know how long I have looked for work???? Don't even get me started! I want a job, hell Walmart won't even hire me.... TOO qualified to be a dang door greeter! My unemployment is just about gone and I guess I'll have to move to the tent cities that are starting to pop up all over the country with WELL educated, experienced workers not able to get a job! Gee, maybe we will be neighbors!

[AllentownJake]

93. I'm sorry for your situation

However, you please tell me how to fight this situation and a Boycott won't work.

[OhioChick]

38. Ummmm..."frozen Sara Lee pies" are NOT only made in the U.S.

"Sara Lee Corporation (NYSE: SLE) is a global consumer-goods company based in Downers Grove, Illinois, USA. It has operations in more than 40 countries and sells its products in over 180 nations worldwide. Its international operations are headquartered in Utrecht, The Netherlands."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Lee_Corporation

[AllentownJake]

54. So your saying they are like GM, Ford, Chrysler,

John Deere, Mack Trucks, etc.

[OhioChick]

62. " NONE OF THESE JOBS WERE MANUFACTURING"

Verbatim from YOU.


Do you understand what back office operations are?

[AllentownJake]

64. GM, Ford, Chrysler, John Deere,

etc all have back office jobs in other countries and have outsourced IT related jobs to India or are you that stupid?

[OhioChick]

66. I'm NOT stupid, however you seem to be the dumb ass.

Go ahead with that mindfuck of an argument if it makes you happy.

[AllentownJake]

67. Find me one Fortune 500 company

without some back office operations overseas or one project being done in India by an IT firm....one

So I suggest you boycott everyone.

[ChromeFoundry]

70. Boycott all these companies...Excellent idea

another tea party.. this time against corporate greed.

Finally, I agree with one of your statements. I have no problem with the largest consumer group in the world making a statement that they wish to keep jobs here so that they can simply remain A consumer in the global economy.

You must be very young to not understand these concepts; because I would never guess you to be just plain stupid. When you grow up a bit, I'll be happy to buy you your first legal beer and we'll talk!

:toast:

[AllentownJake]

71. People would have to be starving for that to happen

It would be impossibe to get them away from their TVs and McDonalds. I understand the American people better than you do...read some Alinsky.

The Have-Little's don't revolt that often and that's who you need.

But if it happens I'm with you.

[ChromeFoundry]

73. I don't think it is that far off...

look at the unemployment figures for last month... People are starving, lots of them, and every month brings more.

[AllentownJake]

79. 6.7%

Is not that point. If it gets to 30% its near that point.

[ChromeFoundry]

81. If you want to believe the BLS, be my guest...

their figures have a very narrow definition of how unemployment is calculated, designed to improve market confidence. Unemployment is over 12%, and that is solely based on the extension numbers to the BLS definition. It's actually much higher when you include people that can only find part-time work and those that have exhausted their unemployment benefit eligibility.

[AllentownJake]

88. It's not 30%

Which is the number it would need to be around for people to take any kind of action like you described.

[liberation]

100. Care to explain where you got that threshold figure?

You pull figures with little to no reference, and we are supposed to deal with them as authoritative somehow?

So up to 30% (1 in ever 3 workers) is unemployed, things are A-OK then...

[AllentownJake]

102. Things aren't A-ok

but as long as people have something to hold onto or have something to be afraid of losing they aren't really welcoming any boston tea party of the corporate world scenarios.

I hate these things more than what you know but standard responses that have been utter failures of the past 50 years aren't really going to get us where we want to be either.

[AllentownJake]

72. BTW the tea party happened because the elites

were the ones who organized it because their interest conflicted with the Brittish :-)

[ChromeFoundry]

74. The organizer was John Hancock...

I guess our Declaration of Independence is signed by a bunch of elitists that had a personal agenda in mind.

[AllentownJake]

77. Not too many poor farmers signed that document

Actually I can't think of one.

Lot of smugglers, lawyers, and plantation owners though.

[Azlady]

90. I will NOT support this Company nor their other brands

that WE 40 years ago MADE the Company what it is today & all of their other brands. We, U.S. Citizens made them what they are and now our reward is the loss of jobs through outsourcing. It is a slap in the face to U.S. consumers, workers. It is high time we start creating our own small businesses and saying good-bye to the big boys and trust me, there are funds out there to create small start ups.

[AllentownJake]

94. I never eat them to be honest probably never have

I still like going to small bakeries when I can find them, and I could give a crap less about this one company.

However the problem is alot more complex than "They took our jobs" and the solution isn't boycotting. It's about as productive as WTO protest.

[OhioChick]

105. To be quite frank....

I haven't seen anything on this thread stating as quoted by you: "They took our jobs."

[AllentownJake]

108. We need to boycott them

is the equivalent. Its the standard response. Boycott...people have been "boycotting" Wal-Mart for years and guess what they make bigger and bigger profits every year and their practices have gotten worse not better.

We've been doing protest since the 1960s yet America has drifted more rightward. Our entire strategy and tactics have not worked. I don't know exactly what will work but the standard operating procedure has been an utter failure.

What has worked this year is getting people to organize in their own communities and knock on their neighbors doors. That and pooling a whole lot of money for our message.

[liberation]

45. Us folks in the Tech industry are expendable...

Just like we have always been.

[AngryOldDem]

76. Haven't you gotten the memo yet?

:sarcasm:

You are expendable. Your job is expendable.

And the day is coming when the export of IT jobs WILL blow up in our faces. "Cost-savings" won't mean squat then. And I firmly believe that day is coming sooner rather than later.

[OhioChick]

78. I believe that the day is coming soon, as well.

Unfortunately, many of the sheeple don't see this.

[EnviroBat]

6. Their slogan used to be. "Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee..."

Well, I think many people "Doesn't like Sara Lee" about now...

[Speciesamused]

13. I am with you.

What the hell is the matter with these companies.
They are traitors I.M.O.

[goclark]

28. No USA jobs, I won't cut their cake.

Can someone start a thread, or is there one, that tells us who we need to use that uses USA workers.

I'm out to the Dentist or I would do it.

No cake for me.

[AllentownJake]

37. Sara Lee uses US workers

Unless your dealing with a small business chances are the company you are buying from uses workers outside of the US in some capacity.

Also there is a chance an American Company like Ford may have a car that was not even built in the US while a Toyota was.


700 of 44,000 is 1.5% of their workforce to put things into prospective...but please continue on your boycott rant.

[glowing]

56. Its not that globalization is wrong.. Its just not fair. If it was fair, then Sara

Lee would leave jobs here or face the same costs by going overseas. Free-Trade is NOT Fair Trade. The current laws set up slave labor elsewhere and decrease the standard of living at home. How long before the Indians are too expensive? Free Trade, Capitalism in its purist form is dead. People do not want to live like that.. its sub-human.

[AllentownJake]

61. It sounds like these jobs are going to India

which is a democracy that looks not to disimilar to what we looked like 70 years ago.

I guess we can try to keep the rest of the world in its current state or expect them to jump ahead 70 years in 3 days to keep all of us happy here.

[liberation]

82. If companies want to offshore

... they are free to do so.

We should also be free to tax the f*ck out of them, until we recoup the real cost footprint in our infrastructure that the company induced to begin with.

This is, when Sarah Lee (or any other company) prospered in the US of A, was due among other things to a great infrastructure, a relative safe and stable society, good education, etc. This is, these companies benefited from a certain degree of public investment. The deal, I assume, is that in the long run with their taxes, these companies would pay back their fair share.

If a company leaves, they are free to do so. But like any lease, there should be some conditions/penalties. And in this case, they should payback their real tax footprint owned before they leave. And then they can go their merry way...

[AllentownJake]

96. If they paid taxes

one could argue they paid for that infrastructure with their tax dollars.

If they were given tax breaks to locate somewhere than an argument could be made to recoup those costs.

[liberation]

99. There is a big difference between "paying" and "paid"

I do seriously doubt most of the companies outsourcing have repaid in full their true footprint in infrastructure that was absorbed by the tax payers.

What it is clear to me now, is that at least I do hope you are getting paid for your constant corporation whoring in this thread.

[AllentownJake]

101. You have no realistic solutions

your just an angry person with nothing and your probably not doing much about the problem other than crying about it as well and because I point out the flaws in our standard responses that get nothing done but make everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside you have to lash out at me by making accusations.

[liberation]

104. Really...

And you are yet to provide anything that, as I said earlier, is not a tangential nonsensical argument, with little to no references to substantiate your claims. You seem to operate under the assumption that your opinion is somehow authoritative, just because. You must be a legend in your own mind.

Besides, you don't know me... so stop making assumptions about me. OK?

So far all you have done in this thread is dismiss other people, telling us your "solution" which pretty much to shut up and take it. Obviously, you have enough free time to whore for a corporation (as I said, I sure do hope you are getting paid, or it would be even sadder). And I don't have time to waste like that, so this conversation is over.

Have a nice day.

[AllentownJake]

107. Whatever

You started the name calling way before I did and made it personal by calling me a corporate whore because my standard knee jerk reaction isn't some idiotic idea like creating a protectionist tax which will discourage new business ventures or a boycott which will result in a few people feeling like they did something special as the corporate world goes on.

Add another to the old ignore list.

Let me know when Sara Lee goes bankrupt because of the boycott.

[goclark]

83. I'm not boycotting anything. I am sick and tired

of our own people being out of work.

I have been dealing with Time Warner for 3 weeks. I have spoken to at least 10 technicians that are in Canada or another country.

Yes, I do get upset when I can't understand a word they are saying and they don't have a clue about the English language. That is a problem, especially when they are dealing with technical computer issues.

When I go to store after store and see them all closing,I am upset.

[AllentownJake]

97. Some people on here think I'm happy about this situation

or that I'm in the tank for Sarah Lee I'm not but the standard knee jerk reaction of lets boycott gets nothing done. People feel happy because they stuck it to someone when in reality nothing has happened.

We need solutions to these messes not counter-productive feel good nonsense and to be honest I'm not sure what they are other than more protection and more education to make our work force more competitive.

[jetphixer]

2. NUKULAR" BLAST

Well most of the stuff is hazardous 2 your health.. But my hopes were glued to the Twinkie, survive anything pastry/cake,to allow the human race come back after atomic attack.

[Azlady]

3. Change.gov must be getting sick of me by now...

I sent this article on to them, as I have with all the other outsourcing articles Ohiochick has posted for all of us. Everyone send these articles to change.gov - we must have our jobs back here for american citizen workers.

[OhioChick]

31. Don't forget to tell Sara Lee what you think:

http://www.saralee.com/ContactUs.aspx

[Azlady]

87. I did it

I also contacted SaraLee, I do not know if anyone has posted all of their other companies & products, but also advised SaraLee I will not purchase ANYTHING from ANY of their companies - here is the List:

I believe this is a pretty up to date list of other brands they own.

All Sara Lee Brands
Bakery

Bimbo
Bistro Collection
Bon Gateaux
Bony
Chef Pierre
Colonial
CroustiPâte
Earth Grains
IronKids
Madame Brioche Martinez
Ortiz
Rainbo
Sara Lee
Silueta


Beverages

Butter-Nut Cappuccino
Bravo
Caboclo
Café Continental
Café do Ponto
Café Pilão
Cafitesse
Chat Noir
Douwe Egberts
Harris
Hornimans
Jacqmotte
Java Coast
Kanis & Gunnink
Kayo
Laurentis
Maison du Café
Marcilla
Maryland Club
Merrild
Moccona
Natreen
Natrena
Paradise
Piazza d'Oro
Pickwick
Prima
Seleto
Senseo
Soley
Steamers
Suntipt
Uniao
Van Nelle


Meats

Ball Park
Bryan
Deli d'Italia
Deli Perfect
Emeril
Galileo
Gallo Salame
Hillshire Farm
Jimmy Dean
Kahn's
Mr. Turkey
R.B. Rice
Rudy's Farm
Sara Lee
State Fair
West Virginia Brand


Body Care

Badedas
Block & White
Brylcreem
Duschdas
Eskinol
Fissan (Germany)
Fissan (Italy)
Gabi
Glysolid
Jovan
Monsavon
Neutral (Denmark)
Neutral (Netherlands)
Prodent
Proderm
Radox
S3
Sanex
She
Status
Williams
Zendium (Denmark)
Zendium (Netherlands)
Zwitsal



Air Care

Ambi Pur
Endust
Ty-D-Bol

Detergents

Biotex


Insecticides

Bloom
Catch
Cruz+Verde
Cucal
Good Knight
Hit
Jet
Polil
Pyrel
Ridsect
Vapona


Shoe Care

Bama
Kiwi
Tana




If anyone has a better list, please post it!

[OhioChick]

95. Thanks for the list...

I already wrote to Sara Lee and will pass the original article along with the list of products you posted to all that I know. Thanks!

[NOW tense]

5. mmmm. Melamine pies!

Yippie!

[high density]

7. Outsourcing = offshoring

Let's just call it what it is. This is not a small business saying they need ADP to do their payroll processing for a 50 person firm. This is a large public company that just said we need to cut costs by having another profit-making company offshore some labor for us.

[Freddie Stubbs]

11. Not all outsourcing is offshoring

Sometimes outsourcing is done to other companies within the US.

[AllentownJake]

30. Shhh

You'll disrupt the close America's borders to trade party.

Hoover tried that in 1930 added probably 3 years to the depression.

[liberation]

48. If you are going to pull numbers out of your derriere

at least make it big: why stop at 3 years? Smoot-Hawley added 15 years, yeah... I mean, speculation is fun!


Do you work for the PR dept for Sarah Lee by any chance. LOL.

[OhioChick]

51. "Do you work for the PR dept for Sarah Lee by any chance. LOL."

One would guess.

[AllentownJake]

65. What did you do during the election?

Just curious...

[AllentownJake]

57. No I just understand

that we are in a global economy now and that it is not 1950 where the rest of the world is trying to rebuild it's infrastructure and we are the only ones who have a country that is not in ruins.

We can't expect the rest of the world to develop economically or ourselves if just shut down our borders.

[liberation]

68. So...

you can only answer with tangential nonsensical arguments. You are the only one bringing faulty analogies to times past, by cherry picking examples.

Nobody in this thread has talked about tariffs, other than you. But since you brought the parallels of the 1930 depression, well let's have some fun... it was brought forth by the unmitigated greed and speculation of the "roaring 20s." In which corporations felt they had the divine right to maximize profits at all costs, which is what Sarah Lee is trying to achieve in this situation.

I have no problem with global trade. I have a problem with workers, as usual, being the only ones having to sacrifice in order to protect the sacrosanct rights of corporations.

This is a very complex situation, and it requires a long and hard consideration. Firing people to reduce costs is akin to performing horse medicine, in a situation in which complex brain surgery is required. And that is the main reason why we are in such a shithole.

[AllentownJake]

69. We probably agree actually on more than we disagree

However, the usual response of lets boycott when we all know that is not going to solve anything but makes everyone feel good and they feel they made a "difference".

Every company in America is doing what Sara Lee is doing. They are not going to stop and us trying to stop it with tariffs or other trade restrictions will only result in penalties being assesed to the US by the WTO and more loss of jobs.

The solution to this problem is complex and requires the US require stronger corporate governance practices and to provide the re-training, education up front, and a saftey net when these things happen.

In a second part is to look at our trade agreements and to make them fair with wiggle room for democracies that are trying to develop there middle class and will act in an eco responsible way.

[liberation]

80. Actually we disagree completely, but nice try

What you are doing so far, reading your replies in this thread, is basically using the workers as a shield to defend Sarah Lee's corporate interests. Which I think is despicable. But for tastes, there are colors I guess.

I agree with boycotting. Because as consumers, that is the only sort of "direct representation" we have on these companies: cutting our cash flow from our pockets to theirs is the only way to affect their decisions.

[AllentownJake]

86. It doesn't work

What you want to do doesn't work.

So you organize a boycott...first you have to be effective in your boycott. How do you plan on doing that? A few people on a message board saying I'm going to Boycott this or that has no effect on Sara Lee. Everyone feels good however, what you have is a bunch of fools thinking they are making a difference and no difference was actually made and Sarah Lee is down nothing. The people in the boycott feel good and make no other trouble or work for no other change.

You need to get others who don't agree with all of our politics in the boycott.

Second ok, you get your boycott to work. You get their attention. They have their profit margin goals so instead of cutting 700 back office jobs they increase health insurance premiums, reduce 401(k) matches or some other activity to make up that 250 million. Workers still suffer.

or the Boycott works however the company decides it will eventually pass and decides to ride it out. More workers get laid off. Heck they have a union plant in Michigan and this would be a great excuse to close that, Boycotts are hard to last forever and like Wal-Mart they hire a good PR firm to improve their image and get new customers. They re-open the plant in Georgia. One of their union plant problems is solved.

Fighting the corporate monster isn't as simple as you believe it is either.

[liberation]

103. As long as apologist do the corporation work for free

sure it will not work.

Alas, I have been part of many boycotts, and I have seen boycotts work in the past.

You conveniently ignore that a boycott tarnished the image of a company. Enough people participate and the corporation will be worried that their company image will be tarnished enough as to put them in a real pickle. Since one of the goals of corporations is to maximize profits, a tarnished corporate image directly affects profits. Ergo the corporation is put on notice.

But as per usual, you did your predictive routine of using the workers as a shield.

[OhioChick]

106. You're right...boycotts do in fact work. n/t

[AllentownJake]

109. Which Boycott?

Please tell me which consumer boycott has been effective and how they did it.

[OhioChick]

110. Google is your friend....

Educate yourself.

To get you started:
http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/Boycotts/successfulboycotts.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycotts

[AllentownJake]

112. These seem to only work

with Human Rights abuses, Enviromental destruction and Animal Rights Abuses.

So the key to any kind of succesful boycott is probably having an organization with money to launch the campaign.

Labor interest are not seen here except on the sweatshop issue which is human rights and there are 15 succesful boycotts listed in 8 years.

[Nihil]

10. That's the way the cookie crumbles ...

:hide:

[Lifetimedem]

12. There are 700 families

That do not see this as a source of humor.

I would not give Sara Lee another American dollar, let her foreign sources be her primary customers

[AllentownJake]

20. and there might be 700 more bakers in the US

who are able to still feed their families.

A majority of the company's employees are still US based.

We export this product to other countries and we scream bloody murder when 700 jobs are going to another country?

[Lifetimedem]

84. I know YOU are not one of the 700

The reason for the current meltdown is the exodus of 3 mil middle class jobs moving to slave labor countries.

The businesses never considered that they would have no one to buy their products or a way to pay their bills.

So what's another 700 jobs right?

Drip drip drip...we have learned shit does run UPHILL

[nc4bo]

14. I'd love to know is to whom they will outsource. Article says NA and European

transaction processing and apps development ops but doesn't say to whom will receive these duties.

In April 2008 it was 1% job cuts in management and admin. http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/apr/17/business/chi-thu_saralee_briefapr17.

Those comments are interesting, especially #3 and #5.

[OhioChick]

19. I found the article by doing on a Google search on "outsourcing India"

I'm still looking to see who will profit from these losses.

[DainBramaged]

21. Outsourcing again rears it's ugly fucking head

I'm done with Sarah Lee shit, period. My small contribution to their overall profit structure may not mean much, but I'll not buy any of their shit again.

[AllentownJake]

23. Some of the post on here are really ignorant

Sarah Lee sells products to other countries that are made in the United States, however we are demanding an all American work force for a product that is exported?

[bigscott]

25. IIRC

Sara Lee is owned by Bershire Hathaway, Warren Buffet's holding company

Peace

[AllentownJake]

26. As far as corporate citizens go

Warren is one of the good guys.

[happylib]

32. Add Discount Tires to the boycott

Back in 1999, I did construction work on there home in Phoenix. The guy who owns Discount Tires is married to a woman that owns Sara Lee and they are ultra rich. There home was a $25 million dollar super mansion on the back of camelback mountain. It was a 5 bedroom with a 5 car garage. The living room had 30 foot ceiling it wasn't something that was livable, more like minimall.

But hey don't feel bad they are Christians who had a small church built into the side of there house. I also heard they were building another home in Aspen for $35 million. God knows how many homes they built after I got out of that biz.

Funny Zillow says its only worth about $5 million now

See there home, poor guys:(

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=phoenix&sll=36.884564,-2.602043&sspn=0.134831,0.307617&g=enix&ie=UTF8&ll=33.518222,-111.954584&spn=0.001044,0.002403&t=h&z=19

[AllentownJake]

34. According to another poster

Warren Buffet actually owns Sara Lee.

[L0oniX]

33. Tax the hell out of companies that out source!

[AllentownJake]

35. and we'll get taxxed in return

thanks Hoover.

[L0oniX]

111. So what would you suggest ...smart guy?

[OhioChick]

113. I'm waiting for this response....

:)

[OhioChick]

39. You got it! n/t

[Romulox]

40. Lots of Honda payments will be missed in the next couple months.

[OhioChick]

42. Horrible Environmental Record...

Environmental Record

"According to the Climate Counts Company Scorecard, Sara Lee was ranked the worst food sector company, which provided the least commitment for consumers to reverse climate change.<3> Earthgrains Baking Companies, Inc., a subsidiary of Sara Lee, paid a $5.25 million civil penalty with the Department of Justice and the EPA for committing the violating stratospheric ozone protection regulations.<4> With over 300 large appliances involved, 57 out of 67 facilities owned by Earthgrains Baking Companies leaked refrigerants, such as chlorofluorocarbons, at a rate 35% higher than allowed by law.<5> In the EPA's 2002 Annual Report, Sara Lee reported that it did not expect significantly adverse effects on its finances on account of liability from the EPA proceedings.<6> The US government further appointed Sara Lee to convert all the company’s industrial process refrigeration appliances to prevent the release of substances which deplete the ozone layer.<7> The company made no attempt to correct leakage problems even after their discovery."<8>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Lee_Corporation

[AllentownJake]

43. and you knew all this prior to your instant reaction of

I'm boycotting them...looks like they should have been boycotted before this.

[OhioChick]

44. I just looked it up....

Regardless, get over yourself.

[AllentownJake]

59. Yes I'm the one who needs to get over myself

Sorry my first reaction to anything I read isn't lets boycott blank...

[Soylent Brice]

46. new jingle: "Nobody outsources like.. Sarah Lee!!"

HA.

[Lifetimedem]

85. I love it ...but

we could also sing it about the clothing companies that have closed their plants and mills in the south or the furniture companies or the shoe industry and computer companies all of which are basically gone now .

These "CEO's " with their million dollar pay checks never considered that such wide spread unemployment would be a trickle up and if they still want to sell their products here, they would have to lower the prices.. (deflation), and so in the long run all they got was an inferior product and no long lasting increase in the bottom line. Who said there is no justice??

[David__77]

49. "Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee"... except its employees!

...

[Veruca Salt]

50. Tastykakes all the way!

http://www.tastykake.com/

Sara Lee's got nothing on them anyway. NOTHING compares to a tastykake. Mmmmmm~ :9

[sandyj999]

52. I am going to boycott them.

I usually buy their bread but this really makes me angry! There isn't much more we as consumers can do but at least it's something.

[southernyankeebelle]

53. Be gone already

I won't eat any more of their products. If they can't support our workers than my money isn't going to them. Boycott Sara Lee.

[AngryOldDem]

75. Good to see that grassroots outrage at outsourcing is growing. n/t

[meow2u3]

89. To paraphrase the old Sara Lee commercial from the 60's and 70's

(music) Everybody doesn't like something, but nobody doesn't like mel-a-mine!

[glinda]

91. They can now make Melamine pies and cakes

[specimenfred1984]

98. Yummy, melamine takes great with coffee in the morning

Sara Lee just lost my support, I can't risk BEING POISONED! What the hell is wrong with these corrupt companies, don't they realize they are committing suicide?

[Rhiannon12866]

114. I know it's a cliche...

But what are depressed people supposed to do? ;)