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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:08 AM
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Cheney claims power to decide his public records
Source: AP

By PAMELA HESS – 11 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Dick Cheney's lawyers are asserting that the vice president alone has the authority to determine which records, if any, from his tenure will be handed over to the National Archives when he leaves office in January.

That claim is in federal court documents asking that a lawsuit over the records be dismissed. Cheney leaves office Jan. 20, potentially taking with him millions of records that might otherwise become public record.

"The vice president alone may determine what constitutes vice presidential records or personal records, how his records will be created, maintained, managed and disposed, and are all actions that are committed to his discretion by law," according to a court filing by Cheney's office with the U.S. District Court on Dec. 8.

The 1978 Presidential Records Act requires all presidential and vice presidential records to be transferred to the National Archives immediately upon the end of the president's last term of office and gives the archivist responsibility to preserve and control access to presidential records. The law ended the tradition of private ownership of presidential papers, opening White House records to the public and historians.

But the law carves out exceptions for personal or purely partisan records.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jz2z92QFdgFrIMAJC-4GQcHOm3MgD955ETCO0



National Archives officials have said records of Cheney's dealings with the Republican National Committee would not require preservation under the law. As of November, it had not made a final determination on the status of Cheney's records produced when he acts as president of the Senate, which he says are exempt.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:11 AM
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1. Why doesn't Cheney just come out and plead the fifth amendment?
That's what he's doing anyway.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:14 AM
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2. "Ve republicons is special. Sneer." - VP Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 07:17 AM by SpiralHawk
"Ve republicon homelanders are Far Far Above the laws you little American proles are subject to. So shut up and sit down, or Homeland Security vill be paying you a visit. Smirk, Sneer."

- VP Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:17 AM
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3. Sorry, Dick. It doesn't work that way. nt
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:24 AM
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4. He's probably already destroyed the incriminating records.
What an evil, hateful creature.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:26 AM
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6. "Man sized safe" meet Chesapeake Bay
or the Potomac
or way out at sea
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:24 AM
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10. He already burned a bunch of the records in the fire
that started in his safe
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:31 AM
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11. That's too quick and easy for the Dickless Wonder.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:25 AM
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5. cheney wants to replace the historical truth with some made up phony..........
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 07:26 AM by Double T
'corporate style' fraudulent historical shit; what else would we expect him to do? This is typical rethug made up crap similar to Ronald Reagan, the great communicator; the great communicator was sleeping through many cabinet meetings and most of his second term. History needs to tell it like it is and was; cheney was a modern day tyrant that was wholly and willfully responsible for the destruction of America and its economy and financial system. The plane to Dubai awaits Mr. VP; good riddance!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:27 AM
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7. It's none of your damned business!!
and GET OFF MY LAWN or I will have the sniper in my private guard tower take you out

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:13 PM
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27. I'm making IT my business; YOU couldn't hit the broad side of a barn........
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 07:20 PM by Double T
unless it had your friends face painted on IT.


We the people want YOU out of the country where torture is freely allowed; a little dose of your own medicine never hurts................enough.

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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:34 AM
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8. Fucker will probably get away with it
There aren't going to be consequences for that cabal. I'm starting to feel that democracy is a fucking joke anyway. Our votes may have been counted but it's not going to matter, we don't have any input in what really happens
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 08:17 AM
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9. That's a load of shit
If you work at any tech or accounting firm, anything you do related to the field during your tenure with the company is probably going to be considered the intellectual property of that company; you don't get to decide what happens to it.

While serving as Vice President, pretty much everything Cheney does is, by definition, an action of the Vice President who is (nominally, perhaps) a steward of the public trust. As such, he should have no say re: what gets archived and what doesn't.

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jetphixer Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:08 AM
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12. HOLDER?
Now we might understand why the republican's are so afraid of Holder becoming the AG. Hopefully he can figure out a way around the up coming Pardon.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:12 AM
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13. Didn't he already decide by way of a fire at his wh office?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:33 AM
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14. Bullshit. That's YOUR property. That's MY property. Fuck that
old bastard.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:20 AM
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17. Eeeeexactly
If you don't want the responsibility don't take the office
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:45 AM
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15. It won't work. The Monster Cheney is just being a MF, so what's new?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 09:52 AM
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16. All this orders to GE, Murdoch, Time Warner, Disney, Viacom, WSJ, NYT, LAT
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 09:53 AM by higher class
telling them what they could say - did they go direct or through the RNC?

We know everything else -

dealings with Khan - direct.

orders FROM the barons - direct

orders to the Pentagon - direct.

orders to the reverends - direct

orders to ceo's - direct

Oh - maybe we don't know how his order to transfer nuclear bombs for Iran got hung up at their staging point in Louisiana.

Maybe we don't know if a plan to bomb Iran before Jan 20 is still on the to=do list.

Maybe we don't know when he plans to move to Dubai or whether he will save everything in a cave or take it to his tower in the sky in Dubai.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:36 AM
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18. How many different ways can he show contempt for the American people
than he already has? And we sit here like chumps and take it.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:50 AM
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19. Remeber, the VP office is not in the executive nor the legislative...it simply IS.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:01 AM
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20. I CALL B*LLSH*T!!!
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:32 AM
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21. But the law carves out exceptions for [...] purely partisan records
That was the purpose of every one of his dealings...so he's safe:eyes:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:44 AM
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22. Who is man or woman enough to stand up to this son of a bitch?
Enough already!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 02:12 PM
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23. K&R
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 02:15 PM
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24. I guess this comes under Cheney's theory that the Vice President
isn't part of the Executive Branch.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 05:56 PM
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25. A nation of laws. Right. nt
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 06:17 PM
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26. No "Special Rights" for fascist plutocrats
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:14 PM
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28. "Special Rights" --brilliant
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:26 PM
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29. Cheney Should Be Forced to Become America's Bitch
It appears the man's head has grown too big for his body...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:52 AM
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32. Well, turnabout is fair play. America has been his bitch for decades.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 10:42 PM
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30. Do you have
something to hide,some would say you are a war criminal, a domestic terrorist,and all around evil person.If you're not of those things,let us see your records.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 11:57 PM
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31. Message to Dick Cheney's black heart..."Stop Please!!!"
This traitor is a blight upon humanity. I can't wait to see his fat ass dragged to the Hague for war crimes.

J
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:55 AM
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33. L'etat, C'est Moi!
As Rachel reminded us.. the sentiment has been heard before in the halls of Power...
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ThisThreadIsSatire Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:26 AM
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34. I don't want to jinx the country....
But as bad as things are, thank God it appears Bush will survive his term.
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