Bush E-Mails Secret a Bit Longer,Legal Battles,Technical Difficulties Delay Reqrd Trnsfr to Archives

[DogPoundPup]

Source: Washington Post

The required transfer in four weeks of all of the Bush White House's electronic mail messages and documents to the National Archives has been imperiled by a combination of technical glitches, lawsuits and lagging computer forensic work, according to government officials, historians and lawyers.

Federal law requires outgoing White House officials to provide the Archives copies of their records, a cache estimated at more than 300 million separate messages and 25,000 boxes of documents depicting some of the most sensitive policymaking of the past eight years.

But archivists are uncertain if the transfer will include all the electronic messages sent and received by the officials, because the administration began trying only in recent months to recover from White House backup tapes hundreds of thousands of e-mails that were reported missing from readily accessible files in 2005.

The risks that the transfer may be incomplete are also pointed up by a continuing legal battle between a coalition of historians and nonprofit groups over access to Vice President Cheney's records. The coalition is contesting the administration's claim in federal court this month that he "alone may determine what constitutes vice presidential records or personal records" and "how his records will be created, maintained, managed, and disposed," without outside challenge or judicial review.

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1. lies, lies, lies, and more lies

>>>>>most sensitive policymaking of the past eight years<<<<<

Indeed, it won't be until Cheney and Bush are dead and buried that the scope of their misdeeds is uncovered completely and finally. I contend now that Richard Nixon is a saint in comparison to the wickedness of all the members of this administration.

[Elidor]

6. I've thought about that comparison a lot over the years

Having re-read The Final Days recently, I think the difference is one of degree. Nixon didn't have the ability to get away with stuff like this or he would have tried it. He faced a congress that wasn't an organized gang ready to do his bidding. If things had been different, he was every bit as devious as these bastards and a bit more vicious as well.

[jetphixer]

2. Never would have thought

GOD DAMM i never thought something like could ever happen,Poor mr Bush Not being able to tell his story how he singe handled saved the nation protected cheney:sarcasm: but of this we can be sure:We can be sure it is something for his own good, not the good of the nation

[DallasNE]

3. The Law Hasn't Changes Since The 1970's

So how can there now be a legal question?

The other thing that strikes me is why the Courts haven't had direct supervision over this operation given the track record of the Bush administration over the destruction of documents. Reagan said famously "trust but verify". The same conditions should apply here.

[w4rma]

4. Assassinating Rove's top IT guy, on his way to court, probably helped delay things. (nt)

[gratuitous]

5. Get out the Police Line - Do Not Cross tape

The whole blame thing needs to be treated as a crime scene. First get the perps in custody and take them down to the holding tank. Then bring in the detectives, forensics people, photographers and capture the whole scene. Turn the evidence over to the Justice Department and start filing charges.

[kpete]

7. Bush E-Mails May Be Secret a Bit Longer

Source: Washington Post

Bush E-Mails May Be Secret a Bit Longer
Legal Battles, Technical Difficulties Delay Required Transfer to Archives

By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 21, 2008; Page A01

The required transfer in four weeks of all of the Bush White House's electronic mail messages and documents to the National Archives has been imperiled by a combination of technical glitches, lawsuits and lagging computer forensic work, according to government officials, historians and lawyers.

Federal law requires outgoing White House officials to provide the Archives copies of their records, a cache estimated at more than 300 million messages and 25,000 boxes of documents depicting some of the most sensitive policymaking of the past eight years.

But archivists are uncertain whether the transfer will include all the electronic messages sent and received by the officials, because the administration began trying only in recent months to recover from White House backup tapes hundreds of thousands of e-mails that were reported missing from readily accessible files in 2005.

The risks that the transfer may be incomplete are also pointed up by a continuing legal battle between a coalition of historians and nonprofit groups over access to Vice President Cheney's records. The coalition is contesting the administration's assertion in federal court this month that he "alone may determine what constitutes vice presidential records or personal records" and "how his records will be created, maintained, managed, and disposed," without outside challenge or judicial review.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/20/AR2008122002102.html?hpid=topnews

[acmavm]

8. Is 'longer' now a euphemism for 'never'?

[BadGimp]

9. no way Bushie and Darth Cheney turn those emails over

[earcandle]

10. Not setting a good example, for sure.

All of the actions, and refusals to act, of this administration sets a precedent for the future. Given that Obama is Cheney's 5th cousin, and the sudden rise of the "grateful to bend over while you fuck me for some power and money" class, I question whether Obama will ever do anything to prosecute or admit the crimes of this administration in our history. I think Obama would like to live, and I don't blame him.

I guess the only way out of this really bad entropy of American values and principles is for the middle class, the working class and the poor to have a revolution. But let's make it an evolution instead. Do not resort to rebellion that results in more war and pain and gives security companies something to do with their weapons and meanery. Lets teach the aristocracy how to invest in what we want by not supplying labor to what they want. They collapse without our labor, or they just print money... but if we don't spend, they don't prosper. That is how they are pulling the strings. They have the money, and they refuse to spend it. Give resources to the middle class and the poor and you see a vibrant economy.

Lets set up a bartering system, no monetary exchanges, just a bank of goods and services offered and received in a communal bank, a database that tracks what we can provide and what we need, a sort of "uses of energy", "sources of energy" distributed according to our means, and without political agendas. Such as: an attorney contributes a bank of 10 hours a month worth $150 per hour. A babysitter contributes 160 hours a month at $20. A food dealer contributes 20 gallons of milk, and 5 loaves of bread in exchange for some accounting offer at $50 per hour, etc.

Lets give our IT geniuses something fun to work on. This is a database maker's dream. Lets go local. Take care of our survival needs first, then our desires. And lets take care of everyone. If a painter contributes 2080 hours at $50 then he can use half to survive, and the other half to make a down payment or purchase a home with his $104,000 labor that year. Come on, lets get innovative and wipe out these ugly warring hating folks who want to make money on using human beings as fodder for their war, crime and disease industries.

Let's start brainstorming our way out of this. Yes we can change our economy, and the way we deal with health, education, and welfare, but we need leaders who are real leaders, not suction cups for resources out to murder, sicken, and stress us.

Can you believe how often people are murdered, or fake murdered, once we get close to finding these peeps out? Michael Connell (Bush/Cheney's IT man) is dead, Kucinich has lost two siblings, Pelosi lost one, Wellstone is dead, Kennedy is dead, Ken Lay is fake dead, Cheney admits his crimes punishable by death, and will get pardoned.... what are we teaching our children?

Why should young people get educated for decent jobs when corporations treat them with contempt, and apply fascist conditioning to those who do have jobs, against those who don't? Why shouldn't the young choose the glorious crime, war, and medicine route when that is where the money is? Why should farmers plant healthy food, when their money is in corn that creates all of the processed food we eat and sickens us?

This is topsy turvy, yes. But the way to change is to create from nothing, not use current practices as a baseline, because they simply do not work. We need a new context, not a new kind of cover up.

In my not so humble opinion.
Let's be on the Move.

A little punk rock never hurt anybody.