Lawmaker (Barney Frank) says 'no' to Rev. Warren at inauguration

[Newsjock]

Source: Associated Press

The first openly gay member of Congress said Sunday it was a mistake for President-elect Barack Obama to invite the Rev. Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his inauguration.

"Mr. Warren compared same-sex couples to incest. I found that deeply offensive and unfair," Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., said in a broadcast interview.

"If he was inviting the Rev. Warren to participate in a forum and to make a speech, that would be a good thing," Frank said. "But being singled out to give the prayer at the inauguration is a high honor. It has traditionally given as a mark of great respect. And, yes, I think it was wrong to single him out for this mark of respect."

... Frank appeared on "Late Edition" on CNN.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/18/national/a082345S97.DTL&tsp=1

[mitchtv]

1. K& R please helpGBLT this one

:kick:

[last1standing]

2. K&R.

Thank you Rep. Frank.

[NWHarkness]

3. Oh No!

Does that make Barney a one issue Obama hating Republican PUMA troll?

[QC]

20. Yes, it does. n/t

[Faygo Kid]

4. Barney is absolutely right.

This straight guy is deeply offended by Warren's comments. You want to see hate? Go here any day: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2152268/posts

There are many people who would have gays killed, if they could. As reflected in that post. Rick Warren has no place at Obama's inauguration.

[wake.up.america]

11. I do not like Warren. Acts like a used car salesman.

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. .

:eyes:

[izquierdista]

39. Worse

At least a car salesman will sell you transportation. When you fall for the buying salvation schtick, all you end up with is an empty wallet.

[az chela]

89. He reminds me of Jerry Falwell,who I detested

[tomm2thumbs]

112. I get Ted Haggard vibes myself

not unheard of in the religious field for haters to be closeted

[pokercat999]

99. As an ex-used car salesman I take great offense at being

equated with this slime ball! He doesn't even have enough guts to step out of the closet!

As usual the RW wants the whole "marriage issue" kept alive as a wedge issue. There is an easy solution to the problem. A law changing the license to wed to a license to form a civil union and let "marriage" up to the Church it puts everyone on equal footing under the law and lets marriage up to "god's law" where it belongs.


If this is the only mistake President Obama makes we are in great shape, but as he promised during the campaign he is an imperfect man and bound to make others. I have no idea if President Obama made this decision or it was delegated to a subordinate and he is standing behind his "people" but it was senseless pandering and beneath the man I voted for.

[GinaMaria]

117. Can't agree with you there

I am married and not civil unionized. the "Church" does not own the word marriage, nor should they. Marriage existed long before the 'Church'. No one is requiring the "Church" to marry everyone that asks them for a marriage ceremony. They are free to pick and choose who they will marry. They are not however free to choose IF people marry. These religeous clowns need to get over themselves.

[AlbertCat]

114. All evangelists act like used car salesmen...

All priests, shamans, preachers, ayatollahs act like used car salesmen...

....what they're selling certainly has worn out tires on it.

Why isn't a Scientologist or a Wiccan getting this honor. Or a circus clown?

[DutchLiberal]

103. I especially noticed this remark by a freeper:

"I don’t have a problem with civil unions but I have a serious problem with gay marriage. It will serve no purpose but to boost egos and then destroy countless innocent lives."

Two men marrying will destroy countless innocent lives... :wtf:

Oh, and he wholeheartedly supports president Bush and the Iraq. :puke:

Also, have you seen this signature:

19 posted on zondag 21 december 2008 18:16:35 by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)

[plantwomyn]

119. This is the comment that caught my eye.

NRA2BFree (From slave to President.........Hallelujah, Kunta Kinte is free at last.......)

[DutchLiberal]

124. ...

:wow:

Well, what can you say? Are these the people Obama wants to "reach out" to?

[Hepburn]

5. K&R....

...Barney is right!

[chomper68]

6. Kick

:kick:

[hardtoport]

7. K&R

[cal04]

8. From the Transcript

BLITZER: Congressman Frank, are you OK with President-elect Barack Obama's decision?

FRANK: No. And that last comment about loving everybody -- that's wonderful, but the question is, how do you show that?

Mr. Warren compared same-sex couples to incest. I found that deeply offensive and unfair. And the president-elect was wrong when he said, well, he invited me to speak; I'm just inviting him to speak.

If he was inviting the Reverend Warren to participate in a forum and to make a speech, that would be a good thing. We should have these. But being singled out to give the prayer at the inauguration is a high honor.

It has traditionally given as a mark of great respect. And, yes, I think it was wrong to single him out for this mark of respect.

And, yes, everybody should speak, and there could be a dialogue. But giving that kind of mark of approval and honor to someone who has frankly spoken in ways that I and many others have found personally very offensive, I thought that was a mistake for the president-elect to do.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/21/le.01.html
:kick: &R

[LiberalFighter]

96. Warren sure doesn't show his love towards gays by comparing them to incest.

[geckosfeet]

9. I have avoided this donnybrook, but rec'd this post.

BTW - is this a private fight,






or can anyone join in?

[dweller]

27. you may take a place beside me in the line

where the line has been drawn. I stand in solidarity for all human's rights. I am not GLBT. And i will not stand down. All are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

(the stumbling point is that this truth should be 'self-evident', for if one human is denied, then thus the self is too denied... so sad that it needs explanation)

so, take a stand here beside me, the whole world surrounds us in every direction.
dp

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[Mad_Dem_X]

97. Are you kidding me?!

"Lighten up"? What a horrible thing to say to people who are fighting for basic civil rights!

[mnhtnbb]

12. Good for Barney!

[Career Prole]

13. k & r!

:kick:

[AntiFascist]

14. K&R, Barney Frank gets it !

What if some religious leader took the position that, according to his religion, marriage is only valid between members of the same race? Wouldn't it be highly offensive to give this person a position of honor, even if temporary? Not too long ago this had been written into law as well and there were indeed religious arguments used to support it. Of course, we would want to have a dialog and openly debate this person.

[No Elephants]

16. Loving v. Virginia. Bizarre that the son of an African and a white woman who taught Constituional

law for 12 years at one of the nation's best law schools seems oblivious to this.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

25. It does take one aback nt

[AntiFascist]

28. Exactly how I feel...

it would be a little different if he weren't a constitutional scholar. The California state supreme court (and others) went to great lengths to argue why "separate but equal" is unacceptable, yet Obama seems to disagree based purely upon his own religious convictions. Maybe this is his way of proving to the Christian Right that he is not a Muslim? On edit: oh wait, fundamentalist Muslims would agree with the Christian Right on this issue.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. My bottom line is this: Obama is not speaking with honesty

He keeps talking about a dialouge. But he only offers the platform to these bigots, never the targets of the bigots. At the McClurkin thing, Donny had the last and only word. That is not a dialouge, no matter how you parse it. It is false for Obama to pretend that giving places of honor to powerful divisive figures is a dialouge. I assume Obama knows what a dilouge is. When do we see him attempt to make such a thing? And since he does not create any form of dialouge, is it not cheap and false of him to keep saying so? Time for a new excuse. Or maybe, time for some damn dialouge! Obama? Some dialouge? You keep talking about it. When do I see it? And if I don't see it, would you please stop talking about it? It is insulting.
The essence of it is this: Shut up and listen to the man's dialouge.

[No Elephants]

17. At change.gov, I protested the choice of Warren. After I read Obama's defense of the choice, I

emailed again that his statement was dishonest and an insult to our intelligence. I encourage you to do the same.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

26. I'm off to do that right now nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

21. Exactly n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

18. Put me with Barney, thanks

He's got it exactly right.

[orleans]

19. k&r. barney is exactly right. barack needs to OPEN HIS MIND

about this this issue/topic--he needs to come to the realization that SEPARATE IS NOT EQUAL, PERIOD. he needs to come to the realization that it is better to DO THE RIGHT THING then try to appeal to the opposite party's base just for sucking up purposes. he needs to understand that showing this type of honor to some asswipe like rick warren only serves to lower thousands of people's opinions of barack and causes us to question his better judgment.

he needs to get over his stereotyped straight male attitude on gay marriage and be fair and right on this point.

if he really thinks sucking the dick of rick warren is a good thing i cannot tell you how much i question his "good" judgment at this point.

[frebrd]

22. K&R! Good for Barney! n/t

[Maineman]

23. Rev Warren is a Southern Baptist. That's all I need to know.

I used to be one. Many are nice people, but most are living in a parellel universe essentially the same as the one Bush lives in. Their enemies are: science, logic, common sense, equal rights, and education - except for reading, writing, and counting money.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

24. K & R! Obama needs to fix this error nt

[Divine Discontent]

29. Kick - Obama cannot be this arrogant & dumb - he clearly just made a blunder by insulting millions

and millions and millions of people with this great honor being bestowed to a bigot and a pervert (If you saw what he said to Anne Curry in person, you understand).

There's plenty of other great men or women he could have chosen for this honor.

I hope he makes up for his mistake in some way as I want to believe he's not just a good man, but a great man.


Barney Frank I salute you.

[iconicgnom]

30. Barney Frank strikes exactly the right tone, the right message. n/t

[StudsT]

31. and WHO can blame him... and why would Obama be so insensitive?

to say the least :shrug:

StudsT

[defendandprotect]

32. Glad you picked this up -- saw it yesterday ....

[scarletwoman]

33. k&r in solidarity with my LGBT sisters and brothers.

I am utterly appalled by Obama giving a place of honor to this misogynist bigot snake oil salesman.

sw

[natrat]

35. yea but that piece of shit has no problem saying yes to giving billions and billions to crooks

what a fraud that fat little fucker is

[StudsT]

38. would you rather they do nothing and watch the economy go into depression?

now that would be a 'peice of shit fraud', numbnuts :P

StudsT

[natrat]

93. r u blind? hundreds of billions given with no accountability or strings attached

i'm glad you all love your token gay politician-too bad it has blinded you to the fact that he is a crook just like many of the rest of the dems in league with the corporations in a struggle to fuck the middle class over---what good is some dude who "talks" about one issue and gives away all the money to obvious crooks---you are nuts for supporting this idiot just because of one issue

[StudsT]

108. lol - mom always said -> never argue with a fool, as no one will be able to tell the difference

cya :hi:

StudsT

[rpannier]

123. Interesting since

Obama supports the bail outs...
At least that's what he posted at change.gov

[natrat]

129. these people(dodd,frank,schumer etc) are crooks

what will it take for people to realize they have been completely sold out by "their" politician. I guess when the bottom really has dropped out because of these fuckers aligning with the corporatist junta people might understand that maybe they should have watched more closely a government that raped the living shit out of them financially. Yea some of these people might be ok on some levels but in the big picture they are undeniably crooks.

[fujiyama]

36. First I've commented on this

Frank is right. This was an unnecessary move by Obama. I'm disappointed myself.

[Kermitt Gribble]

37. How dare Barney Frank

abandon Obama when he hasn't even taken office yet! Blah, Blah, Blah....

A big K & R for Barney!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

40. As a straight woman who voted NO on Prop 8

I see Obama pandering unnecessarily to a self-promoter. And that disappoints me greatly. Barney is correct, and I stand with my LGBT friends.

K&R

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[proud2BlibKansan]

43. But without the support of Frank and other Democrats Obama wouldn't have been elected

He will also have a hard time getting his agenda through Congress if he pisses off the elected Democrats.

[Unsane]

44. um, yeah right.

wait, BARNEY FRANK is the reason Obama was elected? lol

I wish Barney Frank would NEVER GO ON TV. He's horrible for party image.

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. Read my post again

"Frank and other Democrats" :eyes:

[Unsane]

46. Frank and what other democrats?

I'm talking about FRANK--who had literally NOTHING to do with Obama being elected. If you want to start a thread about "and other democrats," be my guest.

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. So Frank wasn't a delegate at the DNC?

And he never campaigned for Obama in his home state and district?

You do understand how campaigns work, don't you?

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[RetroLounge]

51. Yeah, teh gay really makes you uncomfy, doesn't it?

Party image? Guess he should go hide in a closet for you, huh?

Your pattern of bigotted posts is disgusting.

RL

[Unsane]

53. No, but I like the phrase "teh gay."

I fully support gay marriage, but I--like Obama--accept the political reality of the situation.

[RetroLounge]

54. political reality?

more like cowardice.

:puke:

RL

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[DutchLiberal]

109. I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with him being gay.

He's just terrible on tv. His voice; I just can't stand it. He talks way too fast, his pronunciation is terrible, and it's often very hard for me to make out what he is saying.

[Unsane]

118. exactly right

[jhrobbins]

56. Exactly, becaue I bet those 'middle America types' at Saddleback

almost to a person voted for McCain and the GLBT community, almost to a person voted for Obama.

[ruggerson]

47. wow. JUST WOW.

[Unsane]

48. Wowie!

I like typing WOW too. It makes my substance-less posts seem important!



WOW

W-O-W

[ruggerson]

52. So you don't think gay people can be middle Americans?

why are you on a progressive board?

[RetroLounge]

55. To disrupt.

just go read some of the dreck he posts.

RL

[Binka]

62. Oh Gawd Thank You RL It Isn't Just Me

Sitting at my little keyboard and thinking :wtf:, keeping it on the down low, but having the hackles rise up. Love you beautiful guy.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

95. Ah, it was Unsane who posted that? Good, now I know who I should search-by-author. -nt

[mondo joe]

58. But we were sure great for reaching out to for contributions for Obama.

That was some major reaching out.

[StudsT]

63. i wouldn't insult middle america like that, thats not uniting

thats dividing, imho.

and Barney Frank is a U.S. Representative, a a fine one at that and to think that Obama would be so rude is strange from the man who was marketed to me :shakes-head:

StudsT

[eowyn_of_rohan]

42. Barney Frank speaks for me....

This IS a high honor that Warren does NOT deserve.

[dbackjon]

49. Right on!!!

[Matilda]

57. May I ask a question?

If the invitation proves to be too controversial, is there a face-saving way it could be withdrawn?
(Like Warren suddenly remembers a previous engagement), or is Obama stuck with it?

[DutchLiberal]

110. Only if Warren himself withdraws, which he will not.

Otherwise, Obama is stuck with him. Imagine the reactions if Obama were to withdraw the invitation because of the protests from the LGBT's community... He would practically have a holy war on his hands. He could forget about getting anything done in which he needs the help of the 'other side'. But it's Obama's problem. He has created it. He should never have invited the hatemongerer in the first place.

[marshall]

59. The headline makes it sound like Frank is boycotting the inauguration

But the article just quotes him as saying he doesn't agree with the invitation.

[ooglymoogly]

60. KR....Scary to think O does not get it....

Its either that or something far worse. A constitutional scholar should know better and if he doesn't he is no constitutional scholar....Sounds as if he is confusing the the fundie bible of hate with the constitution. I'll take rev Wright over this foul smelling hillbilly, pile of shit any ol' day...Oh I forgot he was shoved under the bus for another expedience.

[Divine Discontent]

66. you just spoke what I wrote to my Mom earlier about this... it does not stack up. it's obviously

one or the other - he either rejects such hate speech from Warren by stopping him from being given the Invocation honor - or - he supports the many documented beliefs of Warren since he gave him such a very honorary assignment that any minister would be shocked with honor over, which would give them a larger platform then they had before the offer was given.

I am concerned Obama feels the latter - if he doesn't, he needs to deeply detail how and why he doesn't - just saying he is a 'fierce advocate' and 'disagrees on some issues' with Warren is not enough - he needs to rebuke the comments of Warren's saying that GLBT people getting married as akin to marrying a little kid, marrying your sibling, or having many wives, and that his "many Gay friends" ask why they can't have "multiple sex partners, it's natural". I've not heard one Gay friend say such a thing, although we all know or have met such people in life - they're very loose and that's their choice, but they're a minority - I wonder where he's meeting these "friends".....

Still, hoping for the best with Obama - I believe he still can change the storyline - and pray he will!

[phillysuse]

61. Not only is Rick Warren offensive to GLBT individuals, he

is highly offensive to Jewish people regardless of their sexual orientation.
He has compared abortions to the Holocaust.
Let's see - 100 cells that have the potential to develop into 1 human being are equivalent to snuffing out the life of a living human being because of their religion.

I don't think so.
This heterosexual Jewish woman is deeply offended that Rick Warren will be giving the invocation and considering whether she goes to the Inauguration or not.

He could have picked Michelle Obama's cousin, Rabbi Funye instead. It would have been inclusive and family at the same time.

[trickyguy]

64. K&R totally Barney. You're absolutely right on this issue.

[lonestarnot]

65. Trouble is, isn't the invitation like vomit? Once it's out it can't be taken back?

[dcsmart]

67. GO BARNEY GO...AND LETS GIVE UP THE GHOST

ok rev warren is yet another right-wing jesus lover, bummer..more of them back in washington. surprise surprise...look, obama is against gay marriage. we all knew that going in. That is the fact. He is morally wrong on this issue. I hate the idea of a preacher saying a prayer to begin with. but, hey, jesus is an american, right....gotta have god and jesus in US politics or the sky will fall. Wait, the sky is falling: the economic sky and its crashing on all of our heads. so, lets start worrying about that. Look, WARREN IS A PIG. . Poor jesus, what would he say. what would jesus do....he would worry about the suffering people in the world and start doing something about it. if we don't like warren then we should all show up on inauguration day and throw shoes. get it out of our system and then let obama be president and start trying to fix things. what did you all expect, that he would drive around the country in a day-glow bus passing out flowers to everyone and singing songs about why we can't just all get along. This is washington. obama is corporate-democrat. where do you think all that money came from. What happened in California was wrong. people are suffering. ok..now what...people are protesting and trying to change the situation through legal means. keep fighting. keep educating the public. let's let obama become president, and then we can start blathering about why he isn't the savior of the world. he never was. he can't be. but he isn't BUSH. and he is not McCain. and that is why we voted for him.

check this out......
http://timetofight.tumblr.com/
watch the prop 8 protest video. conflict. struggle. direct action is what changes things in the world.

EDITOR
(the site linked above)

[unkachuck]

68. kudos on this one Barney....

....but further penance must be paid to clear the TARP betrayal from the political ledger....

[lcdnumber6]

69. K&R

I'm glad Frank spoke out on this, and he said it particularly well.

[Patsy Stone]

70. K&R!

:toast:, Barney.

[JoFerret]

71. Thank you congressman Frank

I understand compromise. I am willing to make all kinds of compromises.
I never expected that much. I was excited by the movement forward.
But this was a tin-eared (and unnecessary) insult too far.

[dflprincess]

72. If one good thing comes out of this, I hope that it is that more of us straights

will become more vocal about supporting Gay rights.

While I have supported the rights of the GLBT community (including marriage) I have not been loud enough about it in the past and for that I apologize.

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[Dystopian]

74. KandR for Barney Frank! eom.

peace~

[katbarb]

75. Barack has yet to make a radical move

and it remains to be seen if he will live up to our hopes.  He
will benefit from the low expectations left in the wake of his
predecessor for quite awhile, but that won't last 4 years.

Re: Rev. Warren, it's an indication of Obama's relatively
mainstream position on religion and gays.

LGBTs should beware of buying into the lie that society can
give validity (or withhold it) from a relationship.  If they
are mainstreamed as they seem to want so badly, they will find
that society's blessings come with some strings they won't
like.  Obama differentiates between marriage and civil unions
and thinks gays should have the latter.  

We have bigger fish to fry. Every time gay marriage is brought
up it is by the right-wing, and is a political ploy to get
their "base" out to vote.  

[Zhade]

85. It is against DU rules to blame GLBT people for election losses.

Watch it.

[DutchLiberal]

111. He/she did no such thing. And threatening people is also against DU rules.

[Zhade]

125. Yes, he did. Read closer:

"Every time gay marriage is brought up it is by the right-wing, and is a political ploy to get their "base" out to vote. "

That is blaming us for election losses, and it's against Skinner's own edict.

[DutchLiberal]

127. Most certainly not. He/she is blaming the right wing, for using gay marriage...

...as a way to get the fundies out to vote.

That's a whole different thing.

[AntiFascist]

90. I couldn't agree more, we do have bigger fish to fry...

Obama shouldn't be making his mainstream position on marriage such a prominent issue, as he did at Saddleback Church in order to gain favor with Warren's evangelicals. This is a right-wing issue and he is playing right into it. He may end up sacrificing this in exchange for support on something else.

[rpannier]

120. Every time gay marriage is brought up it is by the right-wing

Uhhhh...yeah

The left never discusses Gay marriage or Gay relationships.

That's why there's been almost zero posts on this issue here.


on note: Stop being a shill, please.

[Oak2004]

132. He's made plenty of radical moves

It's pretty damned radical to say you're for change, then select some of the worst of your party's status quo for your cabinet.

It's pretty damned radical to get elected, then start to backpedal on your promises, chief among them the promise to genuinely end the war.

It's pretty damned radical to piss all over virtually every one of your core supporters, starting with the FISA vote. And to shut people out, while inviting their enemies in, and expplain it away as "dialogue". Dialogue requires at least two parties, does it not?

It's pretty damned radical when a Constitutional scholar acts as if he's never heard of civil rights before.

What concerns me is that I've read a variant of this story before, with him, in an article about his tenure as the first African American elected to head the Harvard Law Review. Apparently his fellow African American students complained to a reporter that he was happy to use their support to get elected, but then forgot all about them. I also have contacts with some of his advisory team (vagueness is intentional), and during the campaign I heard about him turning his back on them, using them chiefly as window dressing while doing the exact opposite of a unanimous recommendation. I hope I am wrong, but I am getting a very bad feeling that Obama's primary agenda is Obama, and everyone else in his world exists solely as his useful objects, in his mind's eye at least.

He's been plenty radical. Just not in a good way.

[luv_mykatz]

76. Another K & R for Barney Frank.

Yahoo!! Finally, someone in government has the courage to speak out on this. Go, Barney Frank! :bounce:

And :wtf: is this with some disgusting site called Exodus whatever?!? If they think they've somehow been "cured" of being gay...I mean, geeze, it is NOT a disease. Why post anything about that? No one is forcing anyone to be gay or lesbian. Get a grip, get a life, and get real! :wtf: :mad:

[2QT2BSTR8]

77. K&R While I have very mixed emotions on this topic overall....

I have to side with my family, my GLBT family. Keep this story afloat! Rainbow Pride!

[still_one]

79. Fine Barney, I agree with you, but why are you so inclined to release the other 350B to Paulson?

[Stapz]

80. just makes me even more glad to be from MA nt

[bluedawg12]

81. Good for Barney Frank! K&R

[varun]

82. Good for Barney!

I'm glad there are some democrats with balls to speak out

[leftstreet]

83. K&R

[Zhade]

84. Yep. What Frank said.

NT!

[MADem]

86. Gee...how UNSURPRISING.

BARNEY gets it right....again.

Why isn't HE President?

[illuminaughty]

87. Kick, Kick. Go Barney! After the great interview on 60 minutes

for Frank last week, his Pres. Elect turns around and shows him no respect the next week. Go Barney!

[Solly Mack]

88. K&R

[Enthusiast]

91. I agree, Barney. Why promote bigotry? nt

[RareAvis]

92. Barney speaks truth to the issue

Thank you Barney for reminding America that is is a moral issue, not to mention that many of its tax paying citizen happen to be glbt.

[billyoc]

94. Thank you, Congressman Frank. Bigots cannot be tolerated.

EVER.

[ezdidit]

98. Barney Frank is the best!!!

Frank rule: If you're gay and you vote against LGBT issues, Barney will not tolerate your hypocrisy for votes-he'll out you! That's what I call democracy!

[Alien Nation Refugee]

100. Where is the Leadership?

On Proposition 8, he was silent.
On the US Veto of the UN Resolution decriminalizing homosexuality, he was silent.
On Don't Ask, Don't Tell, he says, "Wait."
And now associating with someone who compares me to a pedophile?

I never expected much from PE Obama on LGBT issues.
But I have to ask, "Where is the leadership?"

- Black Gay Americans Under the Obama Bus

[ThatsMyBarack]

102. Hope it takes....

:kick:

[tomm2thumbs]

104. that's good to hear someone stand up for this issue

and who won't let it just pass like nothing

[DutchLiberal]

105. Barney Frank is gay?

I never knew. Seriously. Good for him to be open about it and speaking out against the president-elect's decision.

[GoneOffShore]

106. I agree with the Congressman -But I think it's way too late to withdraw the invite.

I totally understand the frustration and anger of the GLBT community.

However, this, despite its appearance is just one more "bright, shiny thing." The real area that needs to be concentrated on is legislation. Remember that people like Warren are actually dinosaurs, slowly (far too slowly) dying off and making their last titanic struggle.

[rpannier]

121. Gay Marriage and the debate over a Homophobe being given a place of honor

is a bright, shiny thing???

Wow!

[Zhade]

126. My face does tend to shine red when slapped by a supposed friend.

NT!

[closeupready]

107. Thank you very much, Barney!

:hi:

[RobertDevereaux]

113. Warren ought to...

...do the honorable thing and withdraw.

Surely a busy fellow like him has other things on his plate!

[Four oF NINE]

115. rick warren is inappropriate

I think Barney Frank is correct on this issue, I have no idea what Barack is thinking. Reaching out to bigots and hate merchants is hardly unifying.

[JNelson6563]

116. Well if he really wants to be effective

he should get on the tubes and type his guts out for hours on end, get into arguments with anyone who disagrees even one iota that this isn't the most important issue facing our nation (or the world for that matter)! I mean if you really want to make a difference, perhaps even get someone else to deliver the invocation, everyone knows the way to do this is to post incessently about it on DU.

oy.

Julie

[Susanelle]

122. Agreed

Offensive to the GBLT community, but also the Pro Choice community, and the Scientific community! This is one thing Obama has done that has really left me scratching my head....

[GinaMaria]

128. Obama's track record with religeous leaders

hasn't been too good. What the hell? Is it that difficult to find someone to deliver a prayer or a message that isn't wrapped up in controversy? I'm asking seriously. I haven't attended a church in over 24 years. I've really removed myself from this stuff. Is it that difficult?

[JoFerret]

130. Pastor problem

I hope he gets over it quickly. These "fathers" are false.

[GinaMaria]

134. pastoritis

would be an inflamed pastor... What would you call it when a pastor inflames others?

[robcon]

131. Will Frank show up for the inaugural? If he goes, will he show some displeasure when Warren speaks?

I think it would be awful if a Democrat makes a protest during the inaugural.

[ohio2007]

133. That would be akin to committing political suicide, being ignored or thrown under the bus if

he feels it necessary to dis his own party POTUS on his biggest day.