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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:24 AM
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Nine men decapitated in southern Mexico: police
Source: AF-P

MEXICO CITY (AFP) - - Nine men's heads were found in plastic bags in the southern Mexican state of Guerrero, apparent victims of the country's brutal drug war, officials said.

A forensic spokesman said that seven of those killed were soldiers, one was a lawyer and the other victim had not been identified.

Residents of the town of Chilpancingo found the heads before dawn, and some three hours later located the bodies elsewhere, local police said in a statement.

"Nine heads were found between 3:00 am and 4:00 am (0900 and 1000 GMT) in plastic bags, and the bodies were found about three hours later in various parts of the city," read the police statement.



Read more: http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20081222/twl-mexico-crime-drugs-4bdc673.html



I admit ignorance on the internal situation of Mexico. It appears that years of governmental corruption, combined with the War on Drugs, have given birth to a horrendous situation.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:27 AM
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1. Poor Mexico. So far from god, so close to the United States.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:28 AM
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2. Guerrero has always been an interesting state
It could be the drug dealers... and that war is VERY HOT... I know,

But in Guerrero it could also be the guerrilla, going back to at least 1968... just that these days they blame all on the war on drugs.

And I used, well rather dad used to, drive by Chilpanciongo every year on our way to the annual family vacation in Acapulco
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:37 AM
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3. It is really bad, horrific there, and all over MX.
My sis's friend had a family member kidnapped, about two months ago, for about $1M. When they tried to talk to the kidnappers, no response.

:(
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:40 AM
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4. How is Cabo ?
Oh hell ... my daughter is going there tomorrow ...

NOW Im fucking scared ....
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:43 AM
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6. As far as I can recall reading,...
Edited on Mon Dec-22-08 01:44 AM by adsosletter
Cabo doesn't have the problem...mostly other parts of Mexico. And mostly Mexicans killing each other, although the US military has begun restricting travel into the border states by military personnel.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:47 AM
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9. Perfect. I'm talking about places that aren't major tourist traps and
not close to the border. Don't worry. I'm going back to MX in January, too.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 03:07 AM
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14. Cabo is great .. I really enjoyed myself there
Felt very Americanized there .
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:41 AM
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5. I don't know much about the domestic politics of Mexico...
except that every worker from Mexico that I ever worked with here said there were few decent jobs, and that government was corrupt.

I am sorry for your sis's friend, and I am horrified at the level of violence occuring in Mexico.

Governments are supposed to do their best to protect their citizens from that kind of crap... :(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:44 AM
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7. The last presidential election, BushCo helped the right wing oligarchs steal it
from the progressive reformer. There were weeks of demonstrations but, the right wing guy was seated.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:45 AM
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8. I remember that...it looked as if Mexico might get a revolution for awhile there...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:49 AM
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10. Hmm. He was powerful, wasn't he. I don't give the dim son that much credit. nt
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:52 AM
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11. LOL... How are you this fine evening/morning babylonsister?
...and now I have a Steely Dan earworm...a pleasant one, though. :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 02:16 AM
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12. Well, he was busted sending money,lawyers and even a speech writing team
down there, whether you give him credit for it or not.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 02:34 AM
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13. Everyone who buys dope contributes to this brutality
If there were no market, there'd be no money in drug dealing.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 09:25 AM
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15. if we could grow our own pot the problem would be reduced.
coke and heroin should be legalized and regulated. there should be access to affordable or no cost mental health treatments.

the prohibition of alcohol in the 1920`s is a lesson that is lost on the never ending war on drugs.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 05:03 PM
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18. i'm glad you said this
i can't believe that there are still people who think dope is cool, esp. older people who should know better

i have no problem if someone has a medical issue but (example) i'm in a casino and some old fool offers me cocaine, well, the last time it happened, i kind of bit his head off --do you know what that crap is doing to communities?

i guess an addict has no choice but the recreational user, this time of century, why can't they just buy a cheap australian red wine to get high?
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:40 AM
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16. Rolling Stone has an indepth article
on the problem
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/24012731/the_war_next_door

In the United States, the War on Drugs is a political slogan for a policy disaster that has cost taxpayers at least $500 billion over the past 35 years. In Mexico, it is a brutal and bewildering conflict — a multisided civil war that has taken 3,000 lives this year alone and brought the federal government to a state of near-collapse. Narcotics are now one of the largest sectors of the Mexican economy, twice the size of tourism. Most of the country's drug trade involves transporting contraband from other sources — especially cocaine from Colombia — to satisfy the nearly insatiable demand in the U.S. But Mexico's narcotraficante cartels have also gotten into the production side of the industry, manufacturing 80 percent of the crystal meth sold in America, 14 percent of the heroin and most of the marijuana. What Mexico offers the global narcotics industry is proximity to the largest market on earth.

Until the Bush administration's crackdown on coca growers in Colombia began driving the drug trade further north, traffic through Mexico was relatively stable, overseen chiefly by the huge cartels based in Sinaloa. Known as "the federation," the traditional families that led Mexico's thriving narcotics business each controlled disparate areas of the U.S. border, much as the Mafia once divided up the boroughs of New York City. Perhaps the most ingenious and hardworking of these Mexican mobsters is Joaquín Guzmán Loera, better known as "El Chapo," or "Shorty." Chapo, who controls the border towns of Nogales and Mexicali, built massive underground tunnels to smuggle cocaine into Arizona. He concealed tons of cocaine in cans of chili peppers destined for California. He assembled a fleet of boats and trucks and airplanes with hidden compartments to enable them to slip past customs. To the U.S. government, he is one of the most wanted drug dealers in the world, a fugitive with a $5 million reward on his head. In Culiacán, he is more folk hero — part Pablo Escobar, part Robin Hood, part Billy the Kid.

snip

Over the past decade, however, that relatively stable structure has erupted into full-scale war — largely as the result of the unintended consequences of U.S. drug policy. When the Drug Enforcement Administration blocked cocaine shipments through the Caribbean during the 1980s, the trade simply migrated to overland routes through Mexico. Likewise, the DEA's success against the Cali and Medellín cartels in Colombia has only emboldened Mexico's narcos, driving the drug traffic ever closer to home. Newcomers on the Gulf Coast eager to break into the industry are challenging the rule of the existing cartels, sparking a bloody battle over territory and supply routes. And the Mexican government — under pressure from the United States to curb the flow of drugs — is waging an all-out campaign to destroy the cartels.

Indeed, much of the current bloodshed can be traced to the special forces that Mexico trained to find and arrest drug traffickers, receiving instruction from the U.S. military on tactics, intelligence-gathering, air assault and advanced weaponry. In the late 1990s, one of the new Gulf cartels began recruiting these American-trained soldiers to work as hired guns against the Sinaloan cartels, offering vastly higher wages than the government. Known as "Los Zetas" — the Mexican police's term for a high-ranking official — these mercenaries are now the most violent force in Mexico, moving massive amounts of drugs into the U.S. while murdering journalists and police and politicians who challenge their authority. Led by Heriberto "the Executioner" Lazcano, the Zeta paramilitaries are far more sophisticated in their weaponry and combat skills than the hapless and corruption-addled policía. It is as if the Navy SEALs or an FBI SWAT team went to work for the Russian mob.

and a whole lot more
It calls Sinaloa close to a failed state.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 04:57 PM
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17. thousands now have been killed, many reporters and police
Edited on Mon Dec-22-08 04:58 PM by pitohui
it's getting god awful, i get some medical care there and i am actually getting afraid because of the situation in tijuana is one of the cities where many of the police have been killed

they don't know which police are good guys and which are part of the drug rings, and at one point they removed guns from all the police in tijuana, but i think this just caused more of them to be slaughtered

very very scary stuff

and i've heard tijuana is far from the worse city

supposedly (rumor) there are more mexican billionaires than billionaires in any other nation, keep in mind, the oil (petroleum) is nationalized, these billionaires are not making this on oil or refining -- the money is almost certainly coming from drugs and crimes

while we fiddle in iraq w. talk about torture and rape rooms w. little proof there is a known civil war w. torture and beheadings taking place on our own border

i will read the rolling stone link, thanks to the poster who provided it
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