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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:12 AM
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Hoosiers file (new) suit challenging Obama's birth status
Source: Indianapolis Star

As officials in Washington prepare for the inauguration of President-elect Barack Obama, two Indiana men have filed a lawsuit asking a judge to throw out the election results.

The suit, filed in Marion Superior Court, Room 10, is among five loosely coordinated challenges that question Obama's status as a "natural born citizen."

Gov. Mitch Daniels and the Republican and Democratic national committees are named as defendants in the Indiana suit, filed by Steve Ankeny, New Castle, and Bill Kruse, Roselawn.

... The Marion County suit contends neither Obama, a Democrat, nor Republican Sen. John McCain proved he was a "natural born citizen," a constitutional requirement to qualify for the presidency. They also claim neither candidate was eligible to be elected president because both were sitting U.S. senators at the time of the election.

Read more: http://www.indystar.com/article/20081225/NEWS0502/812250419
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:14 AM
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1. Could the US like Great Britain, pass a law, so that when a useless, trivial
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 01:15 AM by BrklynLiberal
lawsuit is filed, and then thrown out...the plaintiffs have to repay all court costs? This is our tax money going down the toilet with this crap.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 02:02 AM
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7. There already is such a law. Federal Rule 11.
Various states have a similar provision.

Rightists are over the top right now. They think they're retaliating against "us" for all of the things we raised about Bush. They think they're going to find another blue dress. Or maybe they aren't thinking at all. Who the hell knows?

I just hope Obama is as talented and smart as I think he is. If so, he'll get through this.

The threw a lot of crap at Bill and he got through it, mostly. Unfortunately he couldn't control himself with Monica Lewinsky and he reinforced the throw as much shit against the wall as possible strategy for the lunatics on the right. So, here we are. And perhaps you can see some wisdom in refraining from impeaching Bush? That's just not a good precedent, among so many bad precedents Bush has set and that Obama has to try to undo.

But, FWIW, I do despise these rightists too.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 02:20 AM
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9. It would seem that Federal Rule 11 is not enforced.
For these Indiana guys to file a suit after this all has been settled by the SCOTUS seems like nothing more than a trivial and
obviously nonsensical waste of the judges' time and money of the taxpayers.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 04:07 AM
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13. So true.. In the primaries all the Get along talk , with GOP talk seemed silly
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 04:10 AM by cyclezealot
They are the rule or ruin party... Obama saying get along with these Neanderthals naive.. Look to the state legislatures, the GOP will shut down a state due to their anti tax pledges with Grover Norquist... I had feared Obama naive, thinking the GOP interested in governance. Of course there are a couple sane Republicans, but they are a rare , dying breed... Over all, we hope Obama knows politics is a blood sport and his defense need be as ready as his offense...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:15 AM
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2. Idiots.
They have waaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands, methinks.

:eyes:
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:26 AM
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3. Sore losers.
With too much time on their hands.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:41 AM
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6. They are insufficiently taxed.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 02:32 AM
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10. Too much time on their hands
And not enough brains in their heads.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 01:11 PM
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44. Not so much sore losers as just plain Losers
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:27 AM
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4. This needs to stop, and it needs to stop now.
These frivolous lawsuit peddlers are coming dangerously close to committing treason against our government.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 12:19 PM
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26. After 8 years of Truther lawsuits we will have 8 years of Birther lawsuits.
BTW - treason has a very precise and limited definition in America - this comes no where close.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:34 AM
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5. Why don't Republicans realize that Hawaii is part of the US?
Perhaps they learned geography with Miss Teen South Carolina...and since when were sitting US Senators unable to be elected president?

Dumbasses
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 02:08 AM
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8. Good. This is a comparatively harmless form of ideological masturbation...
...and it keeps them busy. Yes, it costs the taxpayers a little in court time, etc., but compared to some of the things they COULD be doing, it's quite benign.

It's sort of like chasing flying saucers, or promoting elaborate theories about how the geometry of the pyramids is the key to Everything. It's not doing Obama any harm, and every time a court slaps them down and the press, TV, radio, etc., snigger publicly about their moronity, it loses them a little more potential credibility.

Next thing you know they'll be publishing Photoshopped pictures of him appointing Batboy to some senior Administration post, and claiming he's really a plant from the aliens on Planet Zarquon.

Run along and play, boys. We've got an economy to rebuild, a foreign policy to formulate, and a few other jobs to sort out.

dismissively,
Bright
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 03:20 AM
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11. It rarely is. However . . .
I wouldn't be surprised if after the current group of cases run their course, that Rule 11 (or the state equivalent in state courts will be enforced.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 03:44 AM
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12. Jesus H. Christ, give it up already!!
These people really need to get a life. They simply cannot wrap their heads around the fact that an intelligent black man will be the next person to lead this nation. It challenges their worldview and it scares the crap out of them. Get over it!!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 04:29 AM
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14. If they are challenging McCain, too, do they support Nader or Barr?
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:12 AM
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15. Oh good god! Leave it to a couple of my stupid state's citizens!
They really got taken by all the propaganda. They don't know what it's like to lose.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 07:19 AM
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16. For fuck's sake people...
...give it up! He's American! Let it go already!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 07:24 AM
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17. The issue is "natural born citizen" under
Article II of the Constitution of the United States, not "American citizen" as defined by Congress. The two issues are not the same, although there is overlap. However, Obama has proven that he is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II.

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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 07:42 AM
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18. Meet Mr Ankeny
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:57 PM
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32. The page is now gone.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 07:58 AM
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19. The very definition of insanity
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 08:27 AM
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20. Oh GOD. Get impaled, Bill and Steve.
With this Mickey Mouse bullshit.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 08:32 AM
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21. Regardless who his father was or is his mother "was" a natural born citizen that confers
citizen to Barak, the damn nuts need to just accept that they lost and grow the hell up.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 09:26 AM
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22. LET'S MAKE THIS INTERESTING. For every suit filed like this let's
make one of the penalty's for losing a huge ass whuppin'.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 10:24 AM
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23. Republicanism is a MENTAL ILLNESS
When national health care is passed these people should be confined wearing straigtjackets, and given massive doses of est and thorazine
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 11:48 AM
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25. I'm beginning to agree with your point of view TOJ...
...What other possible excuse could there be?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 12:23 PM
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27. Both parties have their loony tune contingent.
spend some time in the 911 forum for some examples.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:07 PM
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38. Call them what they are...NEOFASCIST...
Conservatism died in during Ray-gun and the republican party has been infected with chistofascist for years...they are NEOFASCIST
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 10:34 AM
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24. I will never forget the people interviewed on film at the Palin rallies
if that is representative of republicans , did anyone think they wouldnt try this? of course, when its tossed out with the trash, they will sulk and come up with some equally absurd argument. ignoring them is always best.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 12:58 PM
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28. These idiots are making the accusation
that Obama is not a natural born citizen. It's up to them to prove this since they are the Plaintifs. Obama doesn't have to prove anything. The burden of proof lies with the accuser.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 12:58 PM
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29. Talk about sore losers!
Point and laugh, children.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:47 PM
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30. News Item (January 21, 2017): right wing lawsuit challenges Obama's birth status
From the Jack Rabbit News Service
Dated January 21, 2017



Right Wing Lawsuit Challenges Obama's Birth Status
By Jack Rabbit

A consortium of right wing groups and private individuals has filed suit in federal court to block the government from paying former President Barack Obama a pension for his eight years as president or providing secret service protection to the Obama family on the grounds that Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States and therefore occupied the office illegally.

Obama left office yesterday after serving two full terms as president. This is the 69th lawsuit filed challenging Obama's right to serve since he first won the presidency in November 2008.

The lawsuit, reflecting the ad hoc nature of the consortium, cites a shitload of reasons why Obama should not be considered a natural born citizen. The Ku Klux Klan, for example, cited the Supreme Court decision Scott v. Sanford, in which the late Chief Justice Roger Tawney ruled that Afro-Americans were not citizens.

Meanwhile, spokesmen for former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell and former Congresswoman and Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris announced the two were filing a similar suit challenging the results of the elections of 2008 and 2012 on the grounds that too many votes were counted in both elections and that these votes supplied the margin of victory for Obama in each case. While the two are not disputing that Obama was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961, both contend that Afro-Americans have no right to vote. When it was pointed out to Blackwell that he, too, is Afro-American, he responded that he was pardoned by then-President George W. Bush in January 2009.



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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:52 PM
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31. Meanwhile, the current resident was selected by the Supreme Court.
If anyone isn't legitimate, it's him.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 02:04 PM
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33. NewCastle Indiana
is a shithole . It is a drug ridden , imbred,corrupt , ignorant cesspool .

Don't ask me how I know

But I guarantee I DO
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:52 PM
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35. Has nice parks tho.
I always get confused about where SR 3 is when I go thru there.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 12:42 PM
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43. yes, I do admit
both Memorial and Baker park are nice parks . I go back once a year for the family reunion at Baker park
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:49 PM
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34. these people need to SHUT.THE.FUCK.UP!
Obama was a senator for fucks sake, he could not have been if he was not a US citizen.

PS: They fucking lost in a landslide, get over it.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:56 PM
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36. Fluckstick Hannity is all over this.
Asshole thinks he can single-handedly bring down Obama. He hasn't the foresight to realize that BIDEN would be his worst nightmare if he became president. Biden would shut down Fox News (at least have the balls to try) if they crossed the line one too many times.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:04 PM
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37. I would like very much to punch Hannity in the mouth...rat bastard..nt
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 06:49 AM
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42. Hannity is a typical chickenhawk republicon
Edited on Sat Dec-27-08 06:49 AM by SpiralHawk
Draft-dodging Republicons like to talk tough, diss Americans, then whimp out.

It is their signature modus operandi.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:07 PM
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39. More like Loosiers...
(yes, I know, "Losers", but given how many people use "loose" instead of "lose", who'd otherwise not notice unless I had put in this silly disclaimer?)
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:26 AM
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40. This shows the importance of holding the house and senate
all through Obama's term. Repigs would impeach him for smoking a cigarette if they got a majority.
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 06:12 AM
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41. Maybe I missed it in skimming the article..
but who do they think is the 'real' President Elect, since they seem to want to dump both BHO and JM? Do they want a complete do-over of the election?
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