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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:05 PM
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Bush moves to open (California) state coast to drilling
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

The federal government is taking steps that may open California's fabled coast to oil drilling in as soon as three years, an action that could place dozens of platforms off the Sonoma, Mendocino and Humboldt coasts along with the specter of spills, air pollution and increased ship traffic into San Francisco Bay.

Millions of acres of oil deposits, mapped in the 1980s when then-Interior Secretary James Watt and Energy Secretary Donald Hodel pushed for California exploration, lie a few miles from the forested North Coast and near the mouth of the Russian River, as well as in Santa Monica Bay and off Malibu and La Jolla in Southern California.

... The agency's last estimate puts about 10 billion barrels in California, enough to supply the nation for 17 months. That breaks down to 2.1 billion barrels from Point Arena in Mendocino County north to the Oregon border, 2.3 billion from Point Arena south to San Luis Obispo County and 5.6 billion from there south to Mexico.

... In California, any exploration and drilling would be close to shore, experts say. In contrast to the Gulf of Mexico, where drilling could occur in deep waters at 10,000 feet, California's holdings lie on its narrow, shallow continental shelf, the underwater edge of land where creatures died over millennia to produce the oil.

If the Interior Department decides to explore off California's coast, it could probably do so, some attorneys say. If a state objects to a lease plan, the president has the final say.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/28/MN4G14QMVE.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:07 PM
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1. Congratulations, Bush! You've finally found something Nancy Pelosi will stand up to you over. n/t
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:09 PM
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2. you are such a gem, STUPID GEORGE
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:12 PM
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4. Drill Baby Drill!
Let Sarah run the campaign on opening up the drilling. She is an Energy Expert, afterall.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:18 PM
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9. "something Nancy Pelosi will stand up to you over"
I will believe that when I see it.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 08:09 AM
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20. Don't hold your breath for that one!
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 08:10 AM by Democat
Pelosi will probably request a few small changes to "protect the coast", but I would be surprised if she did more than that.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:11 PM
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3. Plenty of time left for a couple more wars and a nuclear exchange
just to show the world that America is crazy enough to nuke the entire planet on a whim.
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:14 PM
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6. Can we get a monumental terrorist attack in the USA
... in the next two weeks. Please. LIHOP.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:13 PM
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5. Oh say, what an idea.
Let's put them on the San Andreas fault just where it runs out to sea!

Bushy, ain't gonna happen. STFU and go back to your pig farm.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:17 PM
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7. Bush, it's time for you to go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw.
Trying to destroy California's coast is a great way to cement your legacy of short-term thinking, greed and generally disastrous results in every endeavor you have attempted.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:17 PM
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8. Well then...touche. California opens Bu*h to drilling. Who wants to be first? n/t
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:27 PM
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10. and let me guess the incoming scumbag at interior will push for it
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:37 PM
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11. better not
n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:03 AM
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12. What? Is $1.60 gas not cheap enough?
Californians are against turning their coastline into a playground for the oil companies and that should be the end of it.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 07:27 AM
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19. in three years, i doubt that it will still be at $1.60...
Edited on Mon Dec-29-08 07:28 AM by QuestionAll
The federal government is taking steps that may open California's fabled coast to oil drilling in as soon as three years,

and as far as californians being against it-

If a state objects to a lease plan, the president has the final say.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:05 AM
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13. Santa Barbara Channel just had an oil leak of 1,134 gallons of oil




By Steve Chawkins
December 9, 2008
Cleanup crews in the Santa Barbara Channel on Monday mopped up an oil slick a mile-and-a-half long and 200 feet wide -- a comparatively small leak from the same drilling platform where a 1969 oil disaster triggered the modern environmental movement.

By day's end, most of the 1,134 gallons that escaped from Platform A had been skimmed off the sea's surface into tanks on waiting boats, said Carol Singleton, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Fish and Game's Office of Spill Prevention and Response.

Observers onshore and at the platform six miles off the coast had not sighted any seabirds coated in the goo.

"We're doing reconnaissance on the beaches, and we're going to do a flyover," Singleton said. "We've seen no impacts yet -- but that can change."

Sometimes oiled birds are not spotted until they wash ashore, dead or dying because the oil has ruined their ability to keep warm, Singleton said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-oilspill9-2008dec09,0,3221617.story

This was just 27 barrels of oil that caused this destruction, imagine what would happen with thousands of barrels
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:47 AM
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14. These dot the landscape in California already



What's next for California in case of a giant earthquake, massive sea spillage from one of these?


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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:00 AM
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15. K&R
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not fooled Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:42 AM
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16. Gotta get his revenge...
...on them blue-state, commie pinko Californiuns.

Wake me up after January 20.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:54 AM
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17. time to get your shoe ready
Let shoe throwing be the national form of protest.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 06:33 AM
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18. When U.S. Minerals Management showed up in Fort Bragg, CA, touting oil exploration
in the late 1980s, five thousand people showed up (in a town of about 7,000) to testify against it. Loggers, tree huggers, fisherfolk, inn owners, farmers, teachers, children, old Hippies, new NIMBYs, leftists, rightists, real estate agents, the Chamber of Commerce--everybody. And they basically ran the Minerals Management team out of town on a rail.

Nothing unites Californians like a threat to the coastal environment.

A similar thing happened when State Parks tried to impose beach fees on the Mendocino coast--total rebellion.

So, here's what I think the situation is: 9/11 was, among others things, intended to break the back of all resistance to off-shore drilling and all corpo/fascist environmental degradation. It--combined with the recent Financial 9/11--improved the climate for just fucking Nature over out of fear and want. What I have noticed on many environmental issues is that the Democrats get in, and erode the law and the rights of the people, and the Pukes follow them, and break the law and the people. So, Obama won't put oil rigs off the coast, but he will begin a process of passing laws/regs that weaken coastal protections and override state law and local will. There won't be a hearing this time in Fort Bragg. It will be in Dallas or Maryland, or a thousand miles away in Los Angeles. The requirement of a hearing in Fort Bragg will be eliminated. That sort of thing. That's what the Democrats are good at--pretending to be for the environment, but setting things up for the Pukes and the global corporate predators to take what they want.

I am looking forward, like most other people, to a respite from the brutality of the Bush Junta, but I have no illusions about our national political establishment nor about what Barack Obama had to agree to in order to be permitted in the White House. The global corporate oil predators will never give up until they have the 'right' to destroy every last living thing, and every last beautiful place, on Earth. They have become monsters. And I don't know what to do about them, except what I have repeated over and over again, here at DU: Priority No. 1--throw Diebold, ES&S and all of these election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' now! Until we do, this is our situation. We have no power. We can perhaps hold off oil drilling on the northern California coast, because the Democrats still need us to get elected--with maximum effort, we can outvote the machines--although we do NOT have the final word on who represents us. And nothing is going to change until we regain direct power--the power of our votes--over our leaders.

Example: In Venezuela, transparent vote counting has made the difference between a country that is dominated by global corporate oil predators and corpo/fascist politicians, and a country that has gained control over its own resources. Venezuelans use electronic voting, but it is an open source code system--anyone may review the code by which the votes are tabulated--and they handcount a whopping 55% of the votes, as a check on machine fraud. Here, we now have trade secret, proprietary programming code in all of our voting systems, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushwhack corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls. With transparent vote counting, Venezuelans have been able to elect a real representative of the people--Hugo Chavez--who re-negotiated the oil contracts with the multinational corporations, demanding and getting a 60/40 split of the profits for Venezuelan social programs (education, medical care, etc.), a big change from previous rightwing governments, which were giving away 90% of the profits. Further, when Exxon Mobil would not agree to this arrangement, Chavez said, "Fuck you, goodbye" to Exxon Mobil! (The other multinationals agreed.) Exxon Mobil then tried to seize $12 billion of Venezuela's assets around the world--literally trying to take food out of the mouths of babes, and books away from schoolchildren--but they lost that bullying effort in a London court, against a Venezuelan government that fought back. The oil was nationalized prior to Chavez, as it is in many countries. But what Chavez did was assert the rights of the Venezuelan people to benefit from their own resources, and established the sovereignty of the Venezuelan people in relation to multinational corporations.

And this why the Bushwhacks and collusive Democrats hate Hugo Chavez so much. He has successfully asserted and defended the sovereignty of the Venezuelan people, in relation to U.S.-based and other global corporate predators!

We have lost that here. And we must regain it, if we want serious reform on any matter in which corporate profits are involved. Voting is how we exercise our sovereignty. That is why the corporations took it over--specifically to destroy our sovereignty as a people. And until we seize that power back from private corporations, we cannot elect people who truly represent us. Even good guys--and I think Barack Obama is a good guy--must compromise away their hearts, their minds and their souls, to be permitted anywhere near power in this country. That's the reality, until we restore democracy here. Priority No.1: Transparent vote counting!

Without transparent vote counting, we surely will see oil rigs and major oil spills and other horrors off the Mendocino/Sonoma coast within a decade. The Democrats set it up. The Pukes carry it out.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 09:17 AM
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21. I remember well the sixties when you could not walk on the beach
without tracking tar everywhere you went. Tar would clog up your filp flops and your bare feet no matter what beach you walked on in southern California. I guess Californians long for those days once more..
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:00 PM
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24. No, We Don't, But Bush** Does
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 09:24 AM
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22. Wonderful.
Just when the California Sea Otters, California Grey Whales, Elephant Seals, etc., are coming back from the brink of extinction, we're going to put drilling rigs off the coast of California.

I don't know if anyone remembers this or not but in the 60's, one of those oil rigs sprung a leak off the coast of Santa Barbara and the devastation it caused was incalculable. It's the reason California put a halt to new off-shore drilling. I don't think they have any idea what they're going to be up against and Pelosi and Feinstein BETTER get off their worthless asses and fight this with everything they have. I know the people of California will.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 11:51 AM
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23. on the flip side, Cali desperately could use the tax revenue n/t
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:00 PM
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26. And we'll do it in a way
that will not kill off the environment. It's not either/or. It never was. Besides, we the taxpayers subsidize oil drilling, or didn't you know that?
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:08 PM
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27. not advocating, simply pointing out
And what's with the condescension? It would be easier to appreciate your point without it.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 12:43 PM
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25. Any word from Ahh-nuld yet?
Or is he too busy starring in (ironically enough) those tourism commercials? "Come to Kolly-four-knee-ya. We've got you covered (in sticky black goo)." :puke:
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