UN Security Council has 'failed' in Gaza: Arab League

[DogPoundPup]

Source: Yahoo / AFP

CAIRO (AFP) – Arab League chief Amr Mussa accused the UN Security Council on Saturday of "ignoring" Israel's onslaught on Gaza, saying the delay in agreeing a resolution is proof of failure to handle the conflict.

Arab regimes cannot put pressure on Israel but the Security Council could pressure the Jewish state into ending its eight-day bombardment of Gaza, he said.

"Israel does not respect the Arabs. And we do not respect its policies," he said.

A delegation of Arab foreign ministers is expected to leave for the UN's headquarters in New York on Sunday evening, he said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090103/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictgazaisraelunarab

[EFerrari]

1. When I first started trying to learn something about Israel in the 70s,

the Arab League seemed like a group of villains to me. If you had told me that I'd be agreeing with them 30 years later, I wouldn't have believed it.

[balantz]

2. That shows how far back the anti-arab, corporate media propaganda goes. n/t

[EFerrari]

3. Yes, that's probably very true. n/t

[oberliner]

5. The Arab League is as corporate as any organization

Their membership is composed primarily of right-wing, millionaire/billionaire despots.

[barb162]

7. ...

hi

[EFerrari]

8. Of course. And globalization has remodeled alliances and so,

the propaganda since then.

[oberliner]

4. The Arab League kicked Egypt out in the 1970s for making peace with Israel

That's when they moved their HQ to Tunisia.

[barb162]

6. What pressure did the Arab League put on Palestinians for the rocket firings?

Yes, I'd say the UNSC and the Arab League have both failed.

[JerseygirlCT]

14. Yes

And the US - the Bush administration ignored diplomacy until its second term. We could have at least been trying to build on the work done during the Clinton years.

There's blame aplenty to go around, and the situation is sad. But I immediately distrust anyone who sees only all black or all white in this situation.

We need to help find the people and parties who genuinely want to work for peace. We need to pressure those funding terrorism, wherever it's found. (Another failure of ours, wrt to the Iranian regime - we dealt with them exactly wrong, intead of exploiting their desire to become a real part of the world community.)

I think most Israelis and Palestinians would be extremely happy to live in peace.

[davidinalameda]

9. and the Arabs just love them some Jews

of course Israel doesn't respect the Arabs; why should they respect anyone who is trying to wipe them from the face of the earth

[EFerrari]

10. Hamas started talking about a two state solution when they won their election.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. I don't recall that fact.

I do recall them saying they would agree to a ten-year "trial" period (whatever the Arabic word is for that, it escapes me at this moment).

[EFerrari]

13. There was an article in my town's paper.

I don't think this was it but, this is one, anyway. And it looks like, the talking was before the election, not after.


Hamas leader hints stance may be softening on Israel
But it is uncertain if sheikh speaks for self or group
Laura King, Los Angeles Times
Saturday, December 4, 2004

(12-04) 04:00 PST Jerusalem -- A leader of Hamas said Friday that the militant group could endorse the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, hinting at acceptance of Israel's right to exist.

But it was unclear whether the official, Sheikh Hassan Yousef, spoke with the full backing of the organization. Israel called his statements highly conditional and said they would need to be backed by deeds.

Hamas, which formally is known as the Islamic Resistance Movement, has long been sworn to Israel's destruction. It has killed and maimed hundreds of Israelis in suicide bombings.

The group has joined other Palestinian factions in jockeying for influence in advance of an election scheduled for Jan. 9 to replace the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/12/04/MNG1MA6HDI1.DTL&hw=Hamas+two+state+hint&sn=004&sc=690

[Behind the Aegis]

32. But, that wasn't what you implied.

[EFerrari]

34. I don't know what you mean. I read an article at the Chronicle

which was like this one but probably wasn't this one where Hamas was talking about a two state solution.

They did not send a dozen roses to Israel. But, if you read what they say, two states is the underlying assumption.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. Hamas never took the position of accepting a two-state solution.

Even your article doesn't say that.

[EFerrari]

38. The Palestinian envoy to the UN was on Larry King tonight

saying that Palestinians want to live in peace beside Israel. Maybe you should call him and tell him he got it wrong.

[Behind the Aegis]

39. Was he Hamas? Or did you get it wrong?

[EFerrari]

40. He was speaking for Gaza in an official capacity. You do the math.

[Behind the Aegis]

41. No. YOU do the math. Was he or was he not Hamas!?

And, I wouldn't be surprised if they were asking for peace and claiming they NOW want a two-state solution.

[davidinalameda]

37. they wanted a two state solution

with a country they are still committed to wiping off the face of the earth?

doesn't seem like they can have it both ways

[JerseygirlCT]

16. Yes.

That's what I keep saying - how do you work toward peace with the likes of Hamas? They're not interested in peace - peace sees them out of power and sidelined as any sort of political force. They're financed by powers that likewise have no investment in peace in that region - it would eliminate the necessary "enemy" to focus disenchanted citizens of their own countries on so to distract them from the problems at home.

[davidinalameda]

36. thank goodness-another voice of reason!

:hug:

[classysassy]

12. Why

want Israel withdraw from Gaza and stop the killing.The people that support the killing of women and children are heartless and as sure as the sunset, they too will have their day of judgment.

[JerseygirlCT]

17. Why

Why won't Hamas stop tossing bombs into Israel? Or smuggling arms and enticing suicide bombers?

Honest to goodness, this is NOT a one-sided situation.

[classysassy]

23. Why

can't Israel go home,leave the occupied country?.

[JerseygirlCT]

26. They ARE home

Or would you prefer to put a random date on who was where when? 20th century? 18th? 15th? 3rd BC?

That's just a silly way to go about this.

Israel exists. It's the home and will remain the home of the Jewish people. Period. And the sooner the rest of the Arab world gets used to that fact, the sooner there will be peace.

[Alamuti Lotus]

15. Arab League has 'failed' in Gaza

Don't talk about things, DO SOMETHING -- all of these participants have an army back home (I know this, because I have seen them fire on their people when the American ambassador tells them to), why are they still in their barracks? (ps -- what is the plural form of 'barracks'?)

[hack89]

31. So more dead people is your solution? Nice. nt

[Duckhunter935]

18. All sides have failed

[AnOhioan]

30. You got it...ALL sides have failed...and miserably.

[ohio2007]

19. Hamas has failed Gaza

18 month old article not exactly knee jerk breaking news but....
it is related;

Hamas Seizes Control of Gaza


Day to Day, June 15, 2007 · Hamas has taken control of the Gaza Strip, and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has declared a state of emergency.

What impact do these developments have on life in the region? Charles Levinson of London's The Daily Telegraph says Friday has been relatively quiet. He says there are concerns the area could become more conservative, but others hope law and order will be restored after months of anarchy. Palestinians are glad the fighting has stopped and hope calm returns.

Levinson talks to Madeleine Brand.

(Because of intense interest in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, NPR makes available free transcripts of its coverage. View the free transcript of this story.)

snip

In the Gaza Strip, looters ransacked buildings and supporters of the Islamist group Hamas celebrated in the streets after its gunmen routed fighters of the Fatah movement after six days of bloody fighting that left more than 100 Palestinians dead.



"I'm doing this because Fatah is crap" Sharnewbee said, "and they collaborate with the Jews."

Other Hamas supporters celebrated their victory over Fatah forces with celebratory gunfire and the systematic looting of Fatah compounds, including the beachside presidential office complex which fell to Hamas forces last night, without a fight.

Hamas gunmen today carted off chairs, TVs and computers — even a few Fatah cars, including a van and a Mercedes-Benz.A Hamas gunman, who gave his name as Abu Suhayb, called Hamas's victory an Islamic "liberation" of Gaza. "By the will of God, this will bring us much closer," the man said — "not to a Palestinian state but to the Islamic state here."


snip

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11107933&ft=1&f=1001

[DogPoundPup]

20. more updated material.......ISRAEL BROKE THE TRUCE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x255107

[ohio2007]

21. How many rockets are allowed to be fired under the "truce"

U.S. President-Elect Barack Obama on Hamas -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfZSiHl6Ugg

Quotes found to be so disturbing,


they keep getting deleted


:eyes:

[DogPoundPup]

22. I'll see your YouTube with a pictorial link

The Other Side of the Story!
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story

AND WHY WEREN'T THOSE CROSSINGS OPENED...Israel intentionally kept them closed not allowing food, medicine OR fuel for heating...THAT WAS PART OF THE TRUCE AND THE CROSSING WEREN'T OPEN AT ALL!

Israel doesn't want peace...israel wants to steal more land.

[ohio2007]

24. If they wanted to steal more land

why did they abandon those gaza strip settlements in 2005 ? What did hamas do to the greenhouses Bill Gates bought as a promise to peace ?




And what about Egyptian brothers ?
Palestinians bulldozer Gaza Egypt border crossing part.1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpdCTbiweA4



Enjoy backing losers DogPoundPup ?



Sort of like going to a Browns game, why should there be any security at the gates at all ?

the place is loser ville with people dieing to get out


Suicide Bombing Rocks Dimona, Southern Israel, Israeli Woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB6NOcZFKT4

[DogPoundPup]

25. LOL...enjoying the genocide all due to Israeli suppression and opression are you ohio2007?

[ohio2007]

28. How's your over/under bet on Dafur going dawgpound ?

You got any favorites to blame in that actual genocide ?

blame the US for that one or how about putting the blame on coach Romeo ?

[JerseygirlCT]

27. Yes

Their interest is in securing their power base and the friction and fighting only supports that.

They have no care for the Palestinian people.

[ohio2007]

29. They have no moral calrity in the comming events

the only concern seems to be sending their brothers into some sort of promised afterlife reward for their own personal gain here on earth....a sand trap strip shit hole along the sea.

Egyptians don't want them blowing up their Gaza wall again but in time it will be up to the Palestinian themselves to end "the genocide" of their elected leaders choosing.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1230733155639

[Mari333]

33. an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=236997&mesg_id=236997