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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:10 PM
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Canadian soldier accused of killing insurgent following ambush (Afghanistan): lawyers
Source: CBC

... Semrau, originally from Pembroke, Ont., faces one count of second-degree murder in the shooting death of a presumed insurgent in Afghanistan's Helmand province in October.

... The statement says the group was ambushed by Taliban insurgents, but managed to regain control with the help of U.S. air support.

Soldiers with the Afghan National Army later discovered a wounded insurgent on the ground. His injuries were apparently too severe for him to be helped. The man's rifle was taken away by Afghan soldiers.

According to the statement, Semrau was then left alone with the injured insurgent and two shots were heard. The statement claims an unnamed witness will be produced who says they saw Semrau shoot the Taliban insurgent.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/01/06/semrau-petawawa.html




(As is to be expected in cyberspace, the reader comments at the CBC site come largely from the very stupid and the very nasty.)

I see this has been posted in the Veterans forum, but am rather surprised no wider note has been taken of it.

The current hearing is to decide on pre-trial release. The trial might not be held for up to a year.

This could be another ugly footnote to Canada's military operations abroad.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/562449
"The allegations are that a Canadian officer — a mentor, at that — shot an unarmed man over two months ago. And we don't have any information about why it took so long for that allegation to come forward or be investigated.

At the time of the incident, Semrau was among several Canadian military mentors from the Operational Mentor and Liaison Team who were in Helmand for the bloody three-day defence of Lashkar Gah. Also taking part were British forces, who are deployed extensively in Helmand.

... The military's national investigation service, which examines all incidents involving Canadian military personnel or property in Canada and abroad, was formed after the Somalia affair, a dark chapter in the history of the Canadian military.

Clayton Matchee, a former master corporal with the now-defunct Canadian Airborne Regiment, was charged with one count of torture and one count of murder after a photograph surfaced of him posing over the bloodied body of Somali teenager Shidane Arone.


As a result of that incident, the Airborne was disbanded, as it should have been years before (anyone who lived in the vicinity of its home base, as I briefly did, knew what it was, and knew that sending it abroad was something like that just waiting to happen).

At least we occasionally hold someone responsible.

Canada is capable of doing some good things in Afghanistan -- we are good at training civilian police, for instance, and at other activities to strengthen institutions and support the rule of law. None of those things are seriously possible in Afghanistan at present, obviously.

Legalize the opium crop, assist the development of processing facilities in developing nations ...
stabilize Afghanistan, provide valuable medications to the most disadvantaged populations ...



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chucktaylor Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:20 PM
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1. I guess he should have just left him for the insects and animals.
Lawyers, that is.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 05:31 PM
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2. hmm, how trenchant

http://lawofwar.org/geneva_prisoner_war_convention.htm

Oh, that's right, they're not covered, they're "enemy combattants" or however that goes.

Except, fortunately, the US wasn't the country involved.

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rangersmith82 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:52 PM
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3. Taliban???
I would have left the guy to rot.

Sorry, I got no love for the Taliban in the Helmand Province.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:59 PM
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4. Well, then, maybe you should stay the fuck out of Helmand.
Go brutalize somebody in your own neighborhood, Rangerdude.
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rangersmith82 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:35 PM
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5. We wouldn't have been there
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 07:37 PM by rangersmith82
Except for the fact they murdered 2+ thousand Americans on 9/11.

All the tali ban has to do is join the Afghan Army and help fight the Tali ban.

Then again you could let the Tali ban take over again, women can then remained covered up and uneducated.

Them Afghan women don't need no education.

Also If men don't want to keep a beard? no problem they will just be killed.

Afghanistan looked like total crap in 2002, no paved roads, no infrastructure etc.

Now 2008 they have paved roads, cell phones power etc.

Hell they are almost in the 20th century(not 21st).

Unless you have been in Afghanistan and seen the improvements made, I don't think you have any Right criticizing them.

If you have some on the ground experience, i'm all ears.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:53 PM
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6. Ground experience? I don't kill people for a living
like some automaton, so I am able to think independently and rationally about that unfortunate incident.

As for 911, no evidence has convinced me that Bin Laden or any religious organization such as the Taliban was directly involved in the 911 disaster.

The Pentagon generals should have faced court martial if not mandatory firing squads for allowing America to be attacked without doing anything to prevent it during the time it happened. Instead they got promotions!

The Soviet Union completely restructured their air force after the KAL007 shootdown, that IMHO was appropriately for that incident. At the very least the USAF should have been overhauled from the top down after allowing 911 to happen.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:30 PM
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9. sadly, the evidence seems to be gone

-- the "deleted subthread" in this thread --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=195341&mesg_id=195341

But I recall quite clearly that you said that the Sept 11 attack was why the US invaded Iraq ...

You really do have to be one of the most misinformed regurtigators of propaganda I've encountered here.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 12:33 AM
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10. As with Iraq, the Taliban had nothing whatsoever to do with 911.
Don't even try posting such bullshit here; we know too many facts.

You should learn some.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 09:13 PM
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7. Canada should get out of Afghanistan
That war has nothing to do with women's rights, 9/11, fighting AQ, etc. It's about securing an oil pipeline.

Like most Canadians, I want our troops out of there. I also oppose Obama's plan to escalate this war. No good will come from it.

As for the Canadian soldier charged in this incident, let's see what the trial shows.

If he shot a wounded and unarmed insurgent, then that is murder, and he should pay the price.

- B
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 09:39 PM
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8. to quote Apocalypse Now...
"...charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500." -Capt. Willard, Apocalypse Now
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