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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 07:43 PM
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Springsteen calls Wal-Mart deal a mistake
Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 07:46 PM by RiverStone
Source: Yahoo News (AP)

The Boss is owning up to a mistake.

In an interview with Sunday's New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn't have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest hits CD.

Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker's rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices.

Springsteen told the Times that his team didn't vet the issue as closely as he should have, and that he "dropped the ball on it."

Springsteen went on to say: "It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be." Springsteen released his new CD "Working on a Dream" this week and is performing the halftime show at the Super Bowl.


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Bruce, I totally dig your music but on the ball you "dropped" --- I'd say it was more like you (or your company) did not even look at who the players were. Wal-Mart? Everybody who pays attention knows of their horrendous labor practices.

It's a good thing that you owned the mistake. Hopefully, folks will buy your music, just not at the BIG BOX :hi:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 07:46 PM
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1. That is one huge ball he dropped, there. nt
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 07:47 PM
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2. At least he admits it.
I respect that.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 07:54 PM
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3. "It was a mistake, but I'm still going to cash the checks" n/t
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 08:21 PM
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6. Bingo nt
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 03:48 PM
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30. And he's crying all the way to the bank
When he donates the proceeds from this CD, even a portion if nothing else, to organizations that support the workers then and only then will I sit up and take notice of his dedication.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 08:16 PM
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4. BOSS REPENT..... SEND ANY PROFITS TO A GOOD PRO-UNION FUND!!!!!!!! @@@@
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 08:29 PM
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7. Great idea and it seems an obvious solution!
To an incredibly obvious mistake.

Bruce could earn much good will back with a decision like this! :)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 08:18 PM
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5. Disgusting! He had to know Better...unless it's the "Obama Crossover"
that we need to get "Walmarters" on our DEM SIDE. :puke:
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 08:49 PM
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8. ANY deal with WalMart is a mistake - like a purchase for example.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 08:59 PM
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9. Bruce screwed up.
And he has admitted it. He has a long record of service to progressive causes, and I trust him to make amends. He deserves that much.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 09:22 PM
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10. Oh pullleeeeze. You mean Springsteen was just fine with it
until somebody made it public and squawked. Now he has to wipe the egg off his face.
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hardtravelin Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 12:46 AM
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15. Word...
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 12:53 AM by hardtravelin
The rich and elite are all the same. They want their ivory towers and moats to repulse the peasants (us). How much money has his "conscience" earned him, after he found it, financially, to be politically relevant.

I have so much more respect for artists who don't double-back in their middle age so that they can sleep easy at night in their gilded cages.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:28 AM
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20. You called it.
Lesson: even revered people are greedy and full of shit sometimes.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:32 AM
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21. yes. he - & his "people" - know better. & he didn't need the deal, he's plenty rich.
even the best of these jackasses won't put their money where their mouth is.

walmart controls something like 20% of all music sales already; springsteen has an established fan base; he didn't need the deal.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:46 PM
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11. it just goes to show
the rich, no matter how good their intentions, don't live in the same world the rest of us do.

i don't understand how some of them can be so clueless. but bruce has at least expressed remorse.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 10:47 PM
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12. i'm a huge springsteen fan -- but -- wow! what a boner. nt
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:04 PM
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13. I'm pretty sure the ball wasn't "dropped"
Until he realized his fans were pissed off. Otherwise, he'd be more than happy to take their money.

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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-09 11:09 PM
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14. "didn't vet the issue as closely as he should have"?
What vetting is needed? It's fucking Walmart! What more vetting is needed?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:00 AM
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16. Bet he still cashes those checks.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:17 AM
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17. Anderson Merchandisers supplies books and music for Wal-Mart...
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 01:19 AM by MrsBrady
Whoever put his distribution deal together would have known that.

Anderson is Wal-mart's bitch. Everybody in the music business knows that.

There is only one reason to put music in Wal-mart. money.
and there is only ONE thing you have to have in order to put it there in the first place.

The MONEY to put 250k copies UP FRONT to even stock it for all of their stores. (that's just for the US stores)

I used to work for a national account executive for a major music label. and I worked on the Anderson account with her.

I'm not saying anything bad about Bruce...but he would have known.


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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:00 AM
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18. Bruce's stage persona is mainly a schtick. I wouldn't feel insulted by this.
His persona is obviously just a character. It's kind of funny that people feel personally insulted that he cashed in and (seemingly) betrayed his stage persona's "blue collar" principles. Personally, I don't care what a musician does or stands for, so long as their music doesn't suck. Good for him for cashing in, as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure he believes what he sings about, but he's going to do what's going to make him the most cash at the end of the day, just like most of us.

His music is pretty middle of the road and adult contemporary (a full-time saxophonist in his backing band, and that's rock and roll?), so is it really not that surprising that he signed an exclusive distribution deal with the most unhip retailer. I'm personally not a fan of his music, obviously, but I don't fault him for doing what's best for business.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:35 AM
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22. who feels "insulted"? more like "disgusted".
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TheCML Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:21 PM
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31. Youre mistaken
His music is more "rock and roll" than 99% of the crap released today. And Nebraska although not a rock album is probably one of the best Americana albums of the last 40 years. If you dont think a saxophonist can be in a rock and roll band maybe you should listen to a little James Brown. Rock and Roll isnt Nickelback and Creed, this generation of music fans drives me nuts sometimes.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:17 AM
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19. Did not vet closely? Is he kidding? Got google?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:27 AM
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23. In the end, they all go for the money. Disgusting. nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:29 AM
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24. eh Bruce signed a $50 million deal before this
he doesn't need the money
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:48 AM
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25. Walmart = slave labor. Any dolt knows it. If it wasn't money, it's even worse. nt
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Blandocyte Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 10:27 AM
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26. Eff The Boss
"You're born with nothing,
and better off that way,
Soon as you've got something they send
someone to try and take it away"

From Springsteen's "Something In The Night"

Just another greedy bastich corporowhore after all. And to think he was Joe Piscopo's hero...
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 10:48 AM
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27. He's an entertainer, they're all idiots
They live in their own little parallel universe that somewhat co-exists with our own. They spend their time in a world based on art, and the interpretation and expression of it. Their struggle is to maintain their creativity, their "muse" and to be able to "work", to perform. They think the whole world revolves around them and their art. Why do you think so many artist become Scientologists? Scientology tell them that creative people are on a higher plane than non-creative people. They simply don't understand the daily struggles that the average person goes through because they can't relate to it, especially once they've "made it." When you understand that, and simply appreciate the art and forget about anything else the artist does, especially related to politics, you'll be better off.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:13 AM
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:32 AM
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29. "Sensitivity to the human condition?"
Spare me. :grr: Their "sensitivity to the human condition" doesn't prevent them from raking in the really big bucks does it?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:29 PM
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32. Give the boss a break..
.... he's done more for our side that 99% of entertainers.

God, around here one "aw shit" and a backlog of millions of "atta boys" is wiped out instantaneously.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 07:04 PM
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33. This aw-shit is largely symbolic...
...but it's hugely, awesomely symbolic of creeping corporatization and the criminalization of the American worker.

As has already been noted, he could turn this fuck-up (I won't let him dismiss it as a mistake just yet) into a success by routing his profits into unionizing the country, and by letting it be known exactly why he's doing so. It's an obvious step; if he doesn't take it, then I'll return to questioning his pose as the working man's hero.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:14 PM
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34. Agreed, sendero. This makes him look better in my eyes. But, too many people jump on apologies.
I can see why some won't make an apology when all it does cause more grief.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:25 PM
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36. he's done stuff for the democratic party.
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 09:30 PM by Hannah Bell
an exclusive deal with walmart is a big "ah shit". walmart already controls about 20% of music sales. springsteen is plenty rich, he didn't need the deal, & it aids wm's monopoly position. more tellingly, springsteen's music rails against the wal-mart business model - & now he's making money from the same source. he's too smart, & reportedly too hands-on, not to have known exactly what he was doing.

muhammed ali visited a (very white) mill town i used to live in & wrote a check on the spot for some sad story he happened to hear while he was there. it was a very big check. ali is not so rich.

frank sinatra sent my aunt a big check back in the 60s when she wrote him a letter asking for an autograph for a tiny church (about 100 people) fundraiser. They normally sold homemade doughnuts, & were trying something different. Sinatra's check alone was more than they ever made with their doughnuts.

sinatra was a mafioso, but gave away a lot of money without a lot of publicity.

ali, if i can believe the anecdotes i've heard, is a saint walking the earth - but you rarely hear anything of his generosity in the media, just through word of mouth.
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:07 PM
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35. God, that's disappointing.
He had to have known better.

How much money does he need, anyway?

"Poor man wanna be rich
Rich man wanna be king
And a king ain't satisfied till he rules everything."

form "Badlamds"
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