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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:26 PM
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Georgia's Voter ID Law Upheld in Federal Appeals Court Ruling
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Georgia’s voter ID law upheld in federal appeals court ruling

Lawsuit dismissed: Panel says state needn’t prove fraud exists, citing U.S. Supreme Court decision on Indiana voter ID law.

By Bill Rankin
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Thursday, January 15, 2009

The federal appeals court in Atlanta on Wednesday upheld Georgia’s voter identification law, saying the burden of presenting a government-issued photo ID at the polls is trumped by the need to safeguard the integrity of elections.

“The insignificant burden imposed by the Georgia statute is outweighed by the interests in detecting and deterring voter fraud,” Judge Bill Pryor wrote for a unanimous three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The decision dismisses a lawsuit filed by two elderly voters, one in Rome and another in Screven County, the NAACP and other civil rights groups. The law has been assailed by Democratic lawmakers as a Republican ploy to suppress minority voting. But GOP lawmakers say it is needed to prevent voter fraud.

In 2006, the General Assembly approved a revised version of the law almost entirely along party lines, with Republicans voting for it and Democrats in opposition. On Wednesday, the 11th Circuit relied heavily on a U.S. Supreme Court decision last April upholding a similar voter ID law in Indiana.

Read more: http://www.ajc.com/services/content/printedition/2009/01/15/voterid.html



Mark Crispin Miller: "In its finite wisdom, the federal appeals court in Atlanta has upheld GA's voter ID law,
based on SCOTUS's war-on-terrorism argument that it's permissible to take pre-emptive
measures to halt "voter fraud"--whether there is any 'voter fraud' or not!"
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:34 PM
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1. Sounds like we need congressional legislation
to undo this
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:57 PM
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2. Georgia's Jim Crow laws are coming back! Republicans just love this kind of social
...and political aggravation. This elitist/racist crap needs to be stopped dead in its tracks.

<snip>
Jim Crow was the name of the racial caste system which operated primarily, but not exclusively in southern and border states, between 1877 and the mid-1960s. Jim Crow was more than a series of rigid anti-Black laws. It was a way of life. Under Jim Crow, African Americans were relegated to the status of second class citizens. Jim Crow represented the legitimization of anti-Black racism. Many Christian ministers and theologians taught that Whites were the Chosen people, Blacks were cursed to be servants, and God supported racial segregation. Craniologists, eugenicists, phrenologists, and Social Darwinists, at every educational level, buttressed the belief that Blacks were innately intellectually and culturally inferior to Whites. Pro-segregation politicians gave eloquent speeches on the great danger of integration: the mongrelization of the White race. Newspaper and magazine writers routinely referred to Blacks as niggers, coons, and darkies; and worse, their articles reinforced anti-Black stereotypes. Even children's games portrayed Blacks as inferior beings (see "From Hostility to Reverence: 100 Years of African-American Imagery in Games"). All major societal institutions reflected and supported the oppression of Blacks.

The Jim Crow system was under-girded by the following beliefs or rationalizations: Whites were superior to Blacks in all important ways, including but not limited to intelligence, morality, and civilized behavior; sexual relations between Blacks and Whites would produce a mongrel race which would destroy America; treating Blacks as equals would encourage interracial sexual unions; any activity which suggested social equality encouraged interracial sexual relations; if necessary, violence must be used to keep Blacks at the bottom of the racial hierarchy. The following Jim Crow etiquette norms show how inclusive and pervasive these norms were:

1. A Black male could not offer his hand (to shake hands) with a White male because it implied being socially equal. Obviously, a Black male could not offer his hand or any other part of his body to a White woman, because he risked being accused of rape.

2. Blacks and Whites were not supposed to eat together. If they did eat together, Whites were to be served first, and some sort of partition was to be placed between them.

<MORE>

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/what.htm
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 10:07 PM
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3. important article -- u need a new cartoon, though ...
I myself experience an INTENSIFICATION of Lord Mansfieldian and other similar copperhead and kulturkop pressures at the astroturf roots.

Hopefully Obama will seek to oppose this sort of thing, but liberals (eg Brennan) are usually quite happy to let these types run amok against those to their left
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 10:42 PM
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4. for those who aren't familliar with GA
what this means is a lot of people can not vote. It''s not just irritating -- but people who don't own cars, can't get the day off to deal with this stuff, etc, are deterred by this crap.

When I was registering voters here, it was amazing how many didn't have dl or any other ID. And then, if they had a DL, the address might be old, but they couldn't get to the office to get it changed. IF their name was

John Leroy James but the DL read John L James, and they filled out the voter registration with John Leroy James, they would be turned away.

It is a deliberate effort -- and very effective (witness Nov 4 in GA) deterrent aimed at low-income voters. And was used when SOS pruged 200,000 newly registered voters from the rolls.
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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 10:54 PM
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5. That's not true
The state is giving away free photo IDs. Everyone who is legally qualified to vote should be able to do so. Website:
http://gaphotoid.com/

GA has a high percentage of illegal immigrants, and this bill is aimed at them, not actual voters, and with Motor Voter, yes, there is a problem with illegal voters. Some of them never even knew what they were doing.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:12 PM
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7. it's not true?
I guess all of those people I tried to register all summer long were actors.

And the calls we got election day from crying people who were turned away from voting due to stupid obvious things like an initial versus a whole middle name were lying.

I guess we didn't need all of those lawyers?

The state does have free photo IDs.

So what? These people DO NOT HAVE CARS.

If they have a car, they can't get the day off to drive into town to deal with this. Their jobs often don't support them voting, either.

You may have information to offer, but I'd suggest you rephrase your response. Telling someone who worked the campaign for 6 months that it isn't true is suspect.

What problems with illegal voters? Please cite an incidence. Are you from GA?
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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 01:21 AM
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12. I am confused about your crying voters
See, in GA you don't need to have much in the form of ID to register to vote. Pretty much any current item showing name and mailing address will do, and I would certainly hope that you told these people about being able to file a provisional ballot if they didn't have photo ID and they wanted to vote in person. They will match those up against the registered voter database, using Soc Sec number if that's all they have.

To register, you just fill out the voter app and mail it in or drop it off. They can't require ID, but you do need proof of address.

Can you explain more about the problems you were having registering people?

You can always vote by absentee ballot, and your vote will count without the photo ID. If you didn't send in a utility bill or bank statement or some copy of ID and you registered by mail, you do need to send it with the first ballot.

Yes I am from GA. I vote in person mostly. I hate those new machines though - the old optical scanners were better. You had a paper ballot plus the machine record so that if there was any question, they could pull the ballots and recount. Now many people are voting with ballots during the pre-vote period. There does seem to be a lot of voter fraud around where I am, although I'm betting it is concentrated on the local races. You only need a few hundred or so in some of those contests to swing it and those are the really profitable races.

The concern about the inflated voter rolls was real. How justified it was I could not say, but any time you have a bunch of voters on the rolls and you can find some who never vote, it is easy enough to send people in to vote for those people. It's an inside job. That is the problem the law was meant to address. Since I know several people who did find other people had voted for them, I think it is a real problem. You never know if that kind person assisting you with your civic duty voted the way you wanted to, you know?

The last major local fraud (my area in SGA) I know about involved absentee ballots and it was for a local election. One guy was caught with a few hundred absentee ballots. He was going from house to house and getting people to sign them for a fee. I guess he filled them out.

If you ever go back to GA to register voters, be sure to tell them to check their status: You can do it online now at:
http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/polllocator/PollLocator.aspx and the county boards are supposed to allow the same thing online.
Also, those provisional ballots are important. For example, if you registered using your license, the registrar can match up your license number used as ID against the voter registration form. They have to send you a notification if they refuse your ballot so you will know and be able to get it straightened out.

I doubt GA is worse for voter fraud than most states, but my guess is that in any state, if you don't check you will get some crooks who will work the system. Especially on those races for local government, where the money is really flowing. Those provisional ballots are going to be very important in areas in which the system has been played with, because then there will be proof.

In the last election, they cross-matched the voter rolls with the motor vehicle records and found 4,700 odd people who seemed to match, were listed as non-citizens on their license records, but were registered to vote. I haven't been able to find any information on those challenges.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 02:04 AM
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16. You do realize that six US Attorneys were fired because finding no real problem
with voter fraud, they refused to file bogus complaints, right? The whole US Attorney firing scandal turns on the fact that there is no significant problem with voter fraud in this country.

Voter ID requirements are a method of vote suppression. That's all they are for.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 05:24 AM
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17. OH. MY. GOD.
You changed your username.

:wow:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 11:50 AM
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22. Just to mess with the FBI.
Actually, I've wanted to for a while but couldn't figure out how to keep my bookmarks. :)
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 06:34 PM
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23. A sfexpat by any other name...
Edited on Mon Feb-02-09 06:36 PM by CitizenPatriot
Hi-- you changed your name, but you're still as smart as ever!! :hi::hi:

Thanks for chiming in. Voter fraud indeed.

Edited for spelling...
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 06:50 PM
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26. I'm perfectly aware of the sysemt for checking your vote online
and again....many people who voted found their vote wasn't there.

Please inform the lawyers who worked for free for months on the campaign that their services were not needed. You have it all figured out.

No one is trying to keep people from voting.

RIiiight.

And those lawsuits all over the country where the republicans were challenging people's right to vote -- those must have been people who didn't know how to vote properly.

GA is much worse for election fraud, not voter fraud. And that is of what I speak, my friend.

I would really like to see a link to these non-citizens who were trying to vote. I mean, I could go down the list with these things-- you recall Florida this year? Purging people whose name was LIKE a criminals name?

Believe what you want, but don't tell me I didn't see what I saw.

Google Steven Spoonamore sometime and Georgia elections.



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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:07 AM
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31. I agree that absentee ballot fraud (usually Republican) is real.
But the voter ID law doesn't fix that problem, does it? All it does is disenfranchise many poor and (often dark-skinned) people.

And, welcome to DU.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:13 PM
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8. I didn't follow you link but
From yout link - these are what you need to bring with you when you go to get your free voter card:


(1) A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth
(2) Documentation showing the voter's date of birth
(3) Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter
(4) Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address

Item 1 appears to be requiring that you bring a birth certificate or another photo Id.
Item 2 is redundant with item 1, isn't it?
Item 3 is not required for a drivers' license - why should it be required for this?
Item 4 Is the purpose here to correlate with the address on item 3?

I'm not sure if you need a birth certificate to get a drivers' license or not. I'm pretty sure you don't need it to renew.

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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:17 PM
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10. thank you for that.
These kinds of lies about illegal immigrants trying to vote are exactly what the DoJ got in trouble for manufacturing evidence or firing people who wouldn't. Years of investigations and they haven't found any problem large enough to even come close to justifying this sort of thing. Clearly partisan -- that is what they were found guilty of, for god's sake.

Illegal immigrants (where are they here? I haven't met ONE and I should know, I moved here from Los Angeles) are not lining up to vote. Please. That is a ludicrous meme passed off by the Rushites. It's not true and furthermore, it makes zero sense. Illegal immigrants are trying to HIDE from the law, not trying to vote. Get real.

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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 05:49 AM
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20. You can do it with an electric bill I've seen it done.
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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 12:22 AM
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11. It is a bit confusing
(1) A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth
(2) Documentation showing the voter's date of birth
(3) Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter
(4) Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address

Item 1 appears to be requiring that you bring a birth certificate or another photo Id.
Item 2 is redundant with item 1, isn't it?
Item 3 is not required for a drivers' license - why should it be required for this?
Item 4 Is the purpose here to correlate with the address on item 3?

---------------------------------------------
Ok, you only need 2 if your ID document doesn't have DOB. It is harder to get a Voter ID card than it is to register to vote, but it is no harder than getting a license. There are a lot of people with the same name in GA!!! You get fingerprinted for a license. I don't know whether they do that for a voter ID, but I think not.

When you are getting a VOTER ID card, it is not unreasonable to ask that you be a registered voter. Otherwise you could misuse the identification. A couple of those terrorists had GA bank accounts, for example, and banks will accept a Voter ID card in GA as proof of identity.

You can use a utility bill, bank statement or anything like that as proof of your address. You can also use the voter registration card mailed to every registered voter. In GA, you have to re-register when you move. The reason why they want current address verification is that you can use forms of ID that don't have addresses and they are going to issue the voter id as valid for your particular district, so they need to verify that. Again, you can use the voter card they mail you.

It is very easy to register to vote in GA. You can download the app and mail it, if you wish. What you have to provide as proof of identity is pretty minimal. Here is the GA code section:

O.C.G.A. § 21-2-417

GEORGIA CODE
Copyright 2008 by The State of Georgia
All rights reserved.

*** Current through the 2008 Regular Session ***

TITLE 21. ELECTIONS
CHAPTER 2. ELECTIONS AND PRIMARIES GENERALLY
ARTICLE 11. PREPARATION FOR AND CONDUCT OF PRIMARIES AND ELECTIONS
PART 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

O.C.G.A. § 21-2-417 (2008)

§ 21-2-417. Presentation of identification to poll workers; form of proper identification; swearing of statement when unable to produce proper identification; provisional ballots for those; penalty for false statement under oath


(a) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this Code section, each elector shall present proper identification to a poll worker at or prior to completion of a voter's certificate at any polling place and prior to such person's admission to the enclosed space at such polling place. Proper identification shall consist of any one of the following:

(1) A Georgia driver's license which was properly issued by the appropriate state agency;

(2) A valid Georgia voter identification card issued under Code Section 21-2-417.1 or other valid identification card issued by a branch, department, agency, or entity of the State of Georgia, any other state, or the United States authorized by law to issue personal identification, provided that such identification card contains a photograph of the elector;

(3) A valid United States passport;

(4) A valid employee identification card containing a photograph of the elector and issued by any branch, department, agency, or entity of the United States government, this state, or any county, municipality, board, authority, or other entity of this state;

(5) A valid United States military identification card, provided that such identification card contains a photograph of the elector; or

(6) A valid tribal identification card containing a photograph of the elector.

(b) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this Code section, if an elector is unable to produce any of the items of identification listed in subsection (a) of this Code section, he or she shall be allowed to vote a provisional ballot pursuant to Code Section 21-2-418 upon swearing or affirming that the elector is the person identified in the elector's voter certificate. Such provisional ballot shall only be counted if the registrars are able to verify current and valid identification of the elector as provided in subsection (a) of this Code section within the time period for verifying provisional ballots pursuant to Code Section 21-2-419. Falsely swearing or affirming such statement under oath shall be punishable as a felony, and the penalty shall be distinctly set forth on the face of the statement.

(c) An elector who registered to vote by mail, but did not comply with subsection (c) of Code Section 21-2-220, and who votes for the first time in this state shall present to the poll workers either one of the forms of identification listed in subsection (a) of this Code section or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of such elector. If such elector does not have any of the forms of identification listed in this subsection, such elector may vote a provisional ballot pursuant to Code Section 21-2-418 upon swearing or affirming that the elector is the person identified in the elector's voter certificate. Such provisional ballot shall only be counted if the registrars are able to verify current and valid identification of the elector as provided in this subsection within the time period for verifying provisional ballots pursuant to Code Section 21-2-419. Falsely swearing or affirming such statement under oath shall be punishable as a felony, and the penalty shall be distinctly set forth on the face of the statement.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 01:55 AM
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15. Thank GAWD Georgia is defending us from the HORDES of illegal immigrants
voting in our elections!
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 05:47 AM
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19. Yes.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. I agree with you and with Gman (above) The same thing
is about to happen in Texas. It is all about voter supression and the US Congress needs to act. card.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:13 PM
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9. Exactly. It's not as if it's new here, in GA -- home of voter intimidation
we had incidents of people being bullied and cops saying we people would get arrested if they registered in rural areas.

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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 05:51 AM
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21. Oh please give me a link for someone got arrested for
registering to vote!
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 06:43 PM
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25. they weren't "arrested" they were bullied by police
AGain, I was there. You were not.

We had many meetings about this crap and how to deal with it.

I don't know what world you live in -- but you should try this one.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 06:51 PM
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27. Nonsense.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:03 PM
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33. Not nonsense at all. Go search police voter harrassment
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 03:03 PM by EFerrari
or better, spend some time in the Election Reform Forum. They need help in there.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 05:46 AM
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18. That is incorrect. My mother got a voter id by them coming to
her nursing home and they did it for free.

Personally I am glad for the law as we have a lot of illegals in this state.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 06:42 PM
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24. Hello? Voter ID - they came and brought it to her?
that is what I was doing- signing people up to vote. You must have ANOTHER FORM OF ID. What is so hard to grasp about this? That ID must match perfectly with the voter ID. SOME people move a lot (esp during a recession with foreclosures). SOME people do not have access to all of the things SOME of us take for granted.

Look, I have no beef with you -- but I saw what I saw. I was there, for god's sake. Did you have people on the phone the day of the election being turned away? Were you working with the campaign, because if you were, you must have noticed that TEAM of lawyers assigned to help "assist" through these problems???

Whatever- If you want to believe that there were no voting problems, go right ahead. I'm still waiting for the link to all of the illegals here who were swarming to vote illegally.

ONE. Just name one.

And please explain the 200,000 people PURGED from the voter ID system.

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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. She had nothing but an old electric bill. They signed her up
AT HER NURSING home and gave her a valid photo ID. End of story.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 07:12 PM
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29. Dear Jean
I did not try to tell you how your experience went. I told how mine went. You have made the assumption that since yours went like thatl, all people's experiences are like that.



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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 01:35 AM
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13. Yeah, we don't like it when poor people vote. Especially minorities.
We do love our poll tax.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 01:53 AM
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14. @ssholes. It's going to take time to clean up our courts.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:01 AM
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30. Grrr ...
The 11th Circuit followed precedent, and I can't especially fault it for that, but the Supreme Court decision on which the Court relied is a real turd, and it needs to be overturned. It may be useless to appeal to the Supreme Court at the moment. This decision would probably be affirmed.

I'm still not happy about it.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:59 PM
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32. Yes, Dorothy, election fraud and disenfranchisement really does exist
for those who need help with the concept of voter fraud versus election fraud:

BY the way, NOT one instance of voter fraud in GA -- except for one white man who may have voted both here and in Florida. He's not an illegal alien.... so there goes that big theory.

Much "debate" about whether there are any problems voting in this country, particularly in Georgia.

Apparently, there are some people who still don't believe there are any problems. I have no idea what they made of Gen Inspector Fine's findings at the DoJ re illegal election tampering via investigations brought on by Republicans against Dems, but I come to offer assistance on smaller matters.

I've complied a bunch of research here. The Brad Blog entries mostly link to other sources, so if you have a problem with Brad and or blogs, you should follow the links to the original source. Frankly, Brad's blog did the work of our civil liberties unit at the DoJ and he deserves a big thank you from all of us...but that's just my opinion.

Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride:

A quote from the WaPo re GA changing it's voter ID requirements:

"The staff memo noted that the records were riddled with errors, including the unexpired licenses of dead people, and were "of a quality far below what we are accustomed to using in the Voting Section." And other sources, including the U.S. Census Bureau, showed that Georgia blacks were much less likely than whites to own vehicles and also less likely to have photo IDs, the memo said."

Now, when you go to vote and their records suck, so your name doesn't match exactly or your address has changed and now you can't vote... some say that is a wee bit discouraging. As for provisional ballots, please. That would really be great, wouldn't it? IF only there were MORE votes NOT counted...instead of people who have earned the right to vote getting to vote.

______________________________________________________


An opener:

"With his usual devious mastery, Rove has seized upon the national outrage sparked by his electoral larceny and used it as smokescreen while he makes the American electoral system even MORE unfair, and even EASIER to rig. Thus the administration has fired federal attorneys when they would not participate in a nationwide campaign to deny minorities and the poor their access to the polls. It has spent millions of taxpayer dollars to install electronic voting machines that can be "flipped" with a few keystrokes. And under the guise of "reforming" our busted electoral system, it is setting us up for another presidential theft in 2008.

Thus it should come as no surprise that our exclusive investigations into the firings of eight federal prosecutors who refused to execute Rove’s plans for massive disenfranchisement of Democratic voters reveal a pattern of illegalities and fraud aimed at reducing the number of minority, poor and young voters at the core of Democratic support. In the wake of major news breaks, two felony convictions have come from the rigging of the illegal Ohio 2004 vote count and recount that gave George W. Bush a second illegitimate term. Stunning new admissions from county election boards that illegally destroyed voter records will almost certainly lead to new convictions. And the multi-million-dollar electronic voting machine scam that made possible the biggest electoral frauds in US history is under massive new attack, with key states moving to scrap the machines altogether in a desperate attempt to restore American democracy – but with the job far from done.

http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=156

so, it exists. It's on a federal level. It's being investigated for 2004. DoJ complicit in helping GOP win votes.

(as well as 2006, 2008 -- but on different levels)
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Here's a bit from Dec 08 -- Brad Blog


"Arnebeck alleges a racketeering scheme to "to corrupt elections in the United States over the course of this decade" and, according to the letter, is now also looking into election shenanigans in Georgia during the 2002 election as part of that conspiracy.

The plaintiffs have been focusing on the activities of GOP IT guru Michael Connell, who was previously described by the Ohio attorneys as a "high tech Forrest Gump" for his proclivity to be "at the scene" of so many troubling elections since 2000, and even at the heart of the "lost" White House email scandal via one of several computer firms that he heads up.

Despite his attempts to quash his subpoena, Connell was forced by the judge in the case to give a sworn deposition to the attorneys on November 3rd, just one day before this year's general election."

Note: Connell is now DEAD, after seeking protection after threats were made by Rove to him and his family. Small airplane crash during the time when he was testifying. He had given one dep but wasn't finished.


http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6696


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New Photo ID problems (you know, we have so many problems with illegal aliens voting here...ooopsie, nada one arrest or prosecution? true...but still, better safe than sorry..better that hundreds of thousands of people be inconvenienced and lose their right to vote than ONE illegal alien vote!):


Today's primary is the first major test of Georgia's new Photo ID restriction at the polling place (O.C.G.A § 21-2-417), which mandates voters must show a government-issued photo identification card in order to be allowed to vote. Pollworkers use computers to check each voter's eligibility against the voter rolls as listed on their screens. These electronic polling systems are yet another step away from the transparent, accurate and verifiable elections our democracy requires, subjecting yet another part of the election system to the frailties of computer security and the electrical grid, among other problems. Until this election, Georgia pollworkers checked voters' registrations on paper printouts of the voting rolls.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5654

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A page one story in today's Washington Post reports that a 51-page memo obtained by the paper, shows Dept. of Justice staffers had rejected a controversial new Photo ID requirement law for voters in Georgia, but that their recommendations were overruled and the measure was approved anyway by the Bush appointed Attorney General.

Georgia's new law was recently rejected as unconstitutional by two Federal Courts who equated it to a "Jim Crow-era poll tax" after its approval by the DoJ despite the recommendation against it by 4 out of 5 staffers in the DoJ's Voting Rights Act division.

The law would have required all voters to present a Photo ID at the poll, available for $20 to those who did not have one. The measure, which, like all such measures currently being pushed around the country by Republicans, is alleged to be disproportionately disenfranchising to minority (read: Democratic-leaning) voters.

Despite a complete dearth of evidence to demonstrate that Photo ID requirements are useful in combatting the non-existent epidemic of "Voter Fraud" in America, Republican legislators in Georgia and other states are attempting to ramrod such measures through their state legislatures. Even the creators of the Georgia law were unable to cite a single example of fraud in the state which would have been held off by the new legislation.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=2033
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State Rep. Tyrone L. Brooks Sr., a Democrat and president of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, said he was not surprised by the Justice Department's position in the case.

"Some of my colleagues told me early on that, because of politics in the Bush administration, no matter what the staff recommendation was, this would be approved by the attorney general," Brooks said. "It's disappointing that the staff recommendation was not accepted, because that has been the norm since 1965."

Wash Po

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111602504_pf.html

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The Georgia Supreme Court ruled today that the requirement of presenting state issued picture identification in order to vote will continue to be in effect. Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel is confident that the law significantly decreases the likelihood of vote fraud. The Democratic Party of Georgia had sought to block the law, believing that it led to voter disenfranchisement. <1>


Jim Crow, anyone???

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Georgia_supreme_court_upholds_ID_law
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10/15/2008

The Department of Justice believes that the State of Georgia is acting in violation to the voting rights act by cross referencing voter registration data. The state of Georgia has been cross-referencing data from the Department of Driver Services database and the U.S. Social Security database. If any information is found to be conflicting, then the registration is flagged for further review. The Department of Justice believes that Georgia has made significant changes to the voting process by implementing this system, without predeclaring it to the Department of Justice, in violation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.<1>

Recently many citizens whose status has been challenged under this process, and the ACLU have challenged this process, stating that it amounts to "intimidation and illegal purging." <1>

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Georgia_in_violation_of_voting_rights_act
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Oct 08

UPDATE: All of that comes on top of late news that GA has illegally purged and/or flagged nearly 5,000 voters from their registration databases, incorrectly identifying them as "non-citizens".

UPDATE FROM BRAD 10/29/08: RAW STORY has video of voters waiting 8 hours to vote in GA. Thank you to those voters who were willing to hang in there! Shame on you to those officials who set up this system that can't even accommodate the limited numbers of early voters!

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6581

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purging some more - is it legal? Not 90 days before an election.

September 30, 2008 CBS News Issued a report that Ohio is one of nineteen states according to a report by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York Law School has claimed that Ohio is ignoring a law that prohibits states from "purging" voters 90 days before an election.<1>
Past voter purges

For example, in Muscogee County in Georgia, the Brennen Center reports, a county official purged 700 people from voter lists for criminal convictions. Many of the people who received letters informing them of the purge, however, had never even received a parking ticket. In Mississippi, a local election official recently discovered that another official had wrongly purged 10,000 voters “from her home computer.”<2>

Another study, by the group U.S. PIRG, released last week, also looked at the issue of voter purging and discovered that 19 states are ignoring a federal law banning systematic purges within 90 days of a federal election. The 19 states include battleground states of Colorado, Ohio and Nevada.<3>

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Ohio_One_of_19_States_Doing_Massive_Voter_Roll_Purges
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In addition to the problems in Florida, there are now reports that longtime GOP "voter fraud" hoaxster Pat Rogers (also known for his involvement in the U.S., Attorney Purge Scandal for the bogus "voter fraud" allegations he filed in 2004, and as a board member of the now-defunct and fully-debunked GOP astro-turf group, "American Center for Voting Rights," or ACVR),is apparently using private investigators to intimidate voters in New Mexico.

Details on those stories and many more --- pre-election litigation over polling place photo I.D. restrictions in Georgia and Ohio, absentee military ballots in Virginia, GOP efforts to close early voting polling places in Indiana, GOP calls for the Dept. of Justice to investigate ACORN just days before a federal election --- from across the country, all follow in the detailed round-up below...

10,000 absentee ballots in Gwinnett are flawed...

Computers at the North Fulton Government Center and other county polling places lost their connection to the state's database, officials told CBS 46's Joanna Massee. That glitch created a big headache for election workers and long waits for voters.

But more disturbing to civil rights attorneys is the Department's silence on what voting rights lawyers say are myriad voter suppression tactics by partisans in the campaign's final weeks. These efforts include attempts by Republicans to disqualify legal voter registrations, unlawfully purge voters, threaten individual voters with polling place challenges, fabricate barriers to student voting and abuse prosecutorial authority by investigating 2008's early voters.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6561

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MO as example of problems with new voter ID laws:

Gordon traces the early moments of Hearne's emergence on the scene back to an incident during the 2000 Election in St. Louis which would eventually feed the entire national GOP-backed voter suppression effort........

Republican state Sen. Delbert Scott of Lowry, Mo., chief sponsor of the photo ID bill last year, said Hearne helped draft it and served as a key adviser.

Hearne did not respond to several requests for comment. His organization closed down its Internet site in March and has since disappeared from view.

Again, we encourage you to read Gordon's entire piece (and hope that he, and others who chance upon our coverage here, will peruse our detailed reports and documents on Hearne and the ACVR scam via our Special Coverage Page devoted to the matter). But before we leave you for now, a quote from Missouri's Democratic Rep. William Lacy Clay Jr. in the article sums the entire issue up perfectly.

"The real problem has never been vote fraud," Clay said in a recent interview. "It’s access to the polls. In the last 50 years, no one in Missouri has been prosecuted for impersonating someone else at the polls. But thousands of eligible voters have been denied their constitutional rights … It’s sickening."

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4500

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The American Prospect's Investigation Into The GOP 'Myth Of Voter Fraud To Purge The Rolls Of Non-Republicans'
ALSO: The DoJ's John 'Minorities Die First' Tanner Has Found a New Job.....

"Sharrard's cautionary tone was a response to the Republican Party's ongoing nationwide campaign to suppress the low-income minority vote by propagating the myth of voter fraud. Using various tactics --- including media smears, bogus lawsuits, restrictive new voting laws and policies, and flimsy prosecutions --- Republican operatives, election officials, and the GOP-controlled Justice Department have limited voting access and gone after voter-registration groups such as ACORN..."

...

"Unfortunately, the public hasn't heard just how nonexistent the voter fraud epidemic actually is. While progressives have successfully challenged some of the most restrictive laws in court, they're still playing catch-up when it comes to combating the glib sound bites of voter-fraud alarmists. Republicans and the Bush Justice Department have cloaked their schemes under such noble-sounding concepts as "ballot integrity." The GOP's vote-suppression playbook features everything from phony lawsuits to questionable investigations to authoritative-seeming reports, all with the aim of promoting restrictive laws."

http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=156

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Fox tries to push the meme of Illegals voting:

Unconvinced, Cavuto pushes his case by stating that some municipalities might accept the licenses granted to illegals to which Mooney gives in a little. With Mooney back on board, Cavuto proceeds to bottom line the issue:
Cavuto: Bottom line Senator, you could have illegals voting in your state.

Senator Mooney: We could, but it wouldn't make much sense for them to do so, to be perfectly honest, because they would be subject to perjury and other problems. There's other things they'd rather do like be able to drive and have these jobs and, you know, go to schools.

http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=156
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For the naysayers who claim there are so many instances of voter fraud here...

check this out.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Georgia_vote_fraud

under voter fraud instances in Ga? NONE. NOT ONE.

Oh, wait! Here's one! a White Business man who is suspected of voting twice.

http://www.thehartwellsun.com/articles/2008/11/05/news/news01.txt

He sure looks like an illegal.....NOT.

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October 9, 2008 - A coalition of voting rights groups filed a lawsuit today on behalf of Cherokee County resident Jose Morales against Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel, asking a federal court in Atlanta to halt the use of database matching procedures that inaccurately flag United States citizens as non-citizens, jeopardizing their attempts to register and vote. Coalition leaders argue that that these practices violate key provisions of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the National Voter Registration Act of 1993. If they continue to be applied, they could threaten the rights of thousands of eligible Georgia voters.

"Eligible citizens should not be required to jump through impossible hoops to perform the basic right of voting," said Jon Greenbaum, director of Voting Rights Project for the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. "These requirements are in clear violation of election law and present a systematic bias against naturalized citizens."

.....

Georgia's record-check process, which relies on the State's Department of Driver's Services ("DDS") database, presents a particularly unfair challenge to new citizens. There is currently no procedure to update the DDS database in order to reflect subsequent naturalization by persons who were legal residents when they obtained their DDS license. This creates a systematic bias against naturalized citizens, needlessly jeopardizing their voter registration status and unduly burdening their right to vote. Over 100,000 people became naturalized citizens in just the past 10 years in Georgia, according to the Department of Homeland Security, so the potential for harm is significant.

"The repeated challenge of the citizenship of voters in Georgia, including Latino voters, appears to be the latest tactic to suppress the right to vote in the State of Georgia. It violates federal law and we are going to court to stop it," said MALDEF Regional Counsel Elise Shore.

The ACLU also weighed in: "The Voting Rights Act and the National Voter Registration Act were intended to protect voters from "October surprises," the last minute purging of registered voters on questionable data," said Neil Bradley, Associate Director of the ACLU Voting Rights Project. "Georgia's Secretary of State, whose job it is to maintain accurate voting lists, has changed the rules out of the public eye, avoiding scrutiny of the new voter purge efforts. If the state continues these practices, thousands of eligible voters could be wrongfully removed from the voter rolls and unable to vote in November."



http://www.866ourvote.org/newsroom/press-releases?id=0018
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No problem voting here, huh?

GEE. GA is the POSTER child for voting disenfranchisement and now election fraud.

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34. Well done!
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35. Hey you!!! Thanks:-)
You inspired me.

I worked election protection in NOv as well as the Obama campaign....This stuff really does happen, every day:-(

I've written President Obama about it, asking him to give it his full attention as soon as he can (I know it's not a priority right now- but before 2012).



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