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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:12 PM
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Minn. Navy medic electrocuted in Iraq, didn't die of natural causes
Source: Minn - City Pages

Just one month before Minnesota Navy medic David A. Cedergren, 25, was scheduled to come home from his tour in Iraq in 2004, he was found unconscious in an outdoor shower. He was pronounced dead shortly after and his family was told he died of natural causes.

His family now knows the truth: He was electrocuted while showering. He was the third U.S. service member to die from electrocution in Iraq, according to the Star Tribune.

More from the Star Tribune:

The deaths are now part of a wider criminal investigation, part of a probe that's looking into a total of 18 electrocutions that have occurred in Iraq, in a variety of circumstances.

"Obviously it brings some closure to what we all originally thought had happened to David," said Cedergren's brother, Barry. "But the hard thing is you start to heal knowing one thing, and then the wounds reopen and you have to look at things in a different way."

The Associated Press reported Monday that late last year, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology changed the cause of Cedergren's death to "accidental," caused by electrocution and inflammation of the heart.


Read more: http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2009/02/minn_navy_medic.php
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:33 PM
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1. At some point this has to cease to be an "accident" and become negligent homicide.
Your honor it's an accident. He fell on the knife 43 times. The first electrocution death was an accident. Everyone there after establishes intent for murder.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 01:39 AM
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11. May be worse, these may be combat deaths.
I have suspicions, and only suspicion, that the Contractors who built these barracks hired local Labor to do the electrical/Water work. Somebody (and probably somebodies) decided to build into the system electrical shorts that would kick in after a few months (long after the person who installed the electrical system was no longer working there). This is NOT that difficult, but a wire from an electrical power line to the water line with insulation known to break down after a few weeks of being exposed to water. Another mechanism could be a slow leak of water that was designed to slowly leak so that it works its way up to an exposed wire, once the water hit the exposed wire, you have a short. Various ways to do this, to protect oneself the person who installed it had to make sure it would NOT short while they were still working on the system, thus the shorts would NOT kick in at once, but over several months. This appears to be what is happening and the best explanation of what is happening. One of two cases of such electrocutions can be the result of sloppy work, but most such sloppy work would have been found within a few months of the barracks being built (And then blowing a fuse so people get shocked NOT killed). Somehow a HIGH POWER line is being connected to the water system. Most electricians (and ALL true professionals electrician will ground the circuit somehow to prevent such electrical shocks) will attach a ground wire to the water line, but instead of a ground wire he installs a live wire (and preferable a return wire so he has a complete circuit) that completes its circuit ONLY after several months (or years) with a mechanism that only complete the circuits several months afterward, you have an act of deliberate sabotage (Which would be an act of war, NOT murder but a combat death).

I suspect the above occurred for the Contractors hired either native Iraqis OR some other group (Moslems and other people from India, Philippines etc) sympathetic to the Iraqi resistance AND did NOT review their work thus giving such workers full opportunity to do their damage. Now, the Military and the Contractor are both covering it up for review of electrical work is Standard procedure on ALL jobs (and I suspect no "Master Electrician" was involved in any of these jobs, so no one reviewed the work who had any knowledge of what they were looking at, or worse the people doing the work also reviewed the work). This violates any building code that I know of (Electrical work may be done, and ofter done, by non-master electricians, but must be reviewed and approved by such Masters Electricians). Given this lack of proper review, no one in the Military or the General Contractor themselves want to find out what happen, for it means the military will have to tear down every wall in every building to check every electrical and water line. That is what is needed to be done, but that means all the money spent on those building has been wasted and it will cost more to fix the problem then to have done it right in the first place, but the contractor and the Military did NOT want to pay for the high Cost of American electricians. Remember they were paying truck drivers over $100,000 a year to drive trucks, much more then they get in the US (In the US truckers often get paid over $100,000, but out of that pay comes commissions, taxes, fuel, insurance etc, all of which they did NOT have to pay in Iraq, thus the Iraqi money was 100% the drivers). Master Electricians can earn over $100,000 a year in the US AFTER taxes and other expenses. Thus to get an American Master Electrician would have cost these companies (I am guessing here) over 1/2 million a year EACH. They were paying east Asians barely $10,000 for the same work (at least on paper) so the Contractor decided he did NOT need an American Master Electrician and the Military agreed with them. With these deaths that decision (Which I should point out is just my opinion, I have read NO evidence that it has occurred) has come back to haunt the contractor and the military, and neither group wants that fact to come out. Thus these soldiers and sailors are being killed do to a cover-up by the Military and the COntractor of their failure to do the job RIGHT, but to do the job right meant getting Americans to do the work AND to pay the Americans to do it right. The Americans would have cost a lot more money then the people the Contractor did get, but the Americans would have incentive to make sure the work was done NOT to harm US troops. The people the contractor did opt for, much cheaper, but either opposed the US occupation of Iraq (My Suspicions) or did not care one way to another, the quicker the job was done the quicker they were to go home.

Stories of Workers lured to Iraq under FALSE pretensions, None of these people would I consider 100% trustworthy given HOW they have been treated in Iraq:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19228-2004Jun30.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2007/04/iraq-070424-irin02.htm
http://www.asiantribune.com/?q=node/14580
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-060423pipeline-story,0,1853590.story

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:40 PM
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2. Accidental? Negligent homicide, maybe, but not accidental.
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 12:41 PM by DCKit
When cutting corners to maximize profit results in death, there is no defense.

Since rabid capitalists insist on all the privileges of "corporate personhood", it's time to put some of those corporate persons on trial for the results of their sociopathic behavior - just as with any other citizen.

At the very least they would be forced to abandon, or at least narrowly define, the concept of "corporate personhood" and their obligations to society.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 08:54 PM
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10. I think I could support a death penalty for a Coporate "Personhood"
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:45 PM
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3. No more federal contracts EVER for KBR/Halliburton/Brown&Root!
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:58 PM
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5. No More. KBR & Co. have much blood on their hands.
Would love to see a full blown investigation on their asses.
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:52 PM
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4. May those sons of bitches rot in hell.
Wish I could say it more strongly.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:34 PM
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6. 3 strikes, you're out. So what do you get for 18 strikes?
In Bush-Cheney World, you get billions more in no-bid contracts.

I'm hoping that in law-and-constitution world, KBR gets the death penalty for federal contracts--no more government contracts for anything anywhere anytime. And that some KBR executives and supervisors get some serious time.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:33 PM
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7. Just plain murder
This needs to be fully investigated, and we need to lock the sleazy creeps responsible away for ever.
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:36 PM
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8. Lie, Fraud, Cheat, Steal,.... It's the American way now
BUSHED ! http://www.wisecountyissues.com Profit Care comes way ahead of People Care in America
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:38 PM
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9. Oh come on!
It's perfectly natural for someone to die when an enormous jolt of electricity goes through his body. Ergo, he died of natural causes. Or are all you libruls saying that electricity isn't "natural"? It says in the Bible (somewhere) that electricity is generated when the angels go bowling! That's why they call it a lightning "strike" you DUmbos! Arrest my case.
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