Ga. woman claiming Obama-related arson charged

[ProgressiveProfessor]

Source: Associated Press

CUMMING, Ga. (AP) - A woman who claimed her house was set on fire because she supported President Barack Obama and her boyfriend have been charged with first-degree arson.



Read more: http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=9802855

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The actual fire was posted and discussed here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3703085 . Those who were so sure about the reasons behind the crime should go back an reassess how ready they were to declare the motivations.

[Ian David]

1. People who need to be thinned from the herd. n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

2. Amen, and the those who jumped on board on the first thread need to learn from this too

[roguevalley]

7. God, that is so funny, Ian David! LOL!

[Ian David]

3. So, out of the dozens of real anti-Obama attacks and vandalisms, this ONE turned out fake.

Shall we also reevaluate The Holocaust next?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

18. That is my exact point, the false claims discredit the real ones with real victims

No just over Obama, but rape, hate crimes, discrimination and others.

[Donnachaidh]

4. that bandwagon has a heck of a bite, don't it? n/t

[LostinVA]

5. I don't believe ANY story like this, because it's almost always not true

Whether it's this incident, Ashley Todd, Susan Smith, etc. People are such liars, and usually -- thankfully -- pretty dumb and uncreative ones.

[sasquatch]

8. And all of those people you listed are from the South

[GentryDixon]

6. This didn't pass the smell test from the start.

[tom_paine]

9. This story says little about the specifics, and I'd like to play devil's advocate here for a moment.

It may be that things change as more specifics are posted on this case, but hasn't the nation turned backwards in these matters, Obama's election notwithstanding?

Is it possible that, as inthe traduition of the Old South, local Bushie Sheriffs and Cops have colluded to frame this woman?

As I said, I am unsure, but I find Official Stories of all kinds suspect, these days.

More information is needed, and it may be this woman is a villain, or the victim of a nefarious boyfriend who when he saw the cops had framed him good, made a survival decision, flipped and took the plea, testifying to the lie in exchange for a light sentence.

It's not like shit like that doesn't happen all the time And it's not like Forsyth County, GA hasn't been ground zero for some of the most hateful people in America in the past.

I just don't know. One doesn't want to let criminals go free, but I wonder, with the wholesale Bushification of Law Enforcement through Homeland Security lucre, if some "old practices" with a smarter, subtler Bushie "twist" for Plausible Deniability purposes haven't been revived as everything else that has been Bushified, down in the Old South.

I'll say one thing. Given how very little specific illuminating information the OP's article actually gives, is it not the case that BOTH sides of this debate over what really happened have both jumped the gun insanely over the scantiest bits of information.

[SoCalDem]

10. Most likely some poor schlub who's watched too much tv, and

decided that burning down a house would net them more money than trying to sell the damned thing in this market..

[ConcernedCanuk]

17. Interesting thing about Georgia

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In all my travels across Canada and through over 24 American states

Georgia is the only place I had a shotgun shoved in my face for a speeding violation

I didn't have enough cash for the violation, but he willingly took twice the amount of the fine in traveler's checks "for my convenience"

No biggee

I never plan to visit the states again in my lifetime

But GAWWD

I sure miss SanDee CA (was there 1979-80)

[EFerrari]

11. They've been charged and the story has no details.

:shrug:

[peaches2003]

12. You'd have to live here to know

I live just a very few miles south of Cumming where this woman is from, on the north side of Atlanta. She is in Forsyth County, one of the alltime redneck racist counties in the country. Look up the history of Forsyth County. It has changed a little as suburban Atlanta has moved northward, but this whole state is still very racist. The minute I read the original story I never questioned it at all because I know the Cumming area and this would be no surprise. I am not a stupid, unquestioning, naive person at all and I am not ever quick to believe anything and everything. But...unless you are from here don't criticize those who were ready to declare that her story was true. Everything about the original story rang true if you know Cumming and Forsyth County and lots of other areas of Georgia, even today. Even my husband and I who live in a very upscale area did not put an Obama sticker on our cars, sad to say, and were harrassed online by neighbors who knew we were for Obama.

[girl gone mad]

13. What a gross thread.

Everyone is so quick to bash southerners, it's like the Civil War ended last year, not over 100 years ago.

[Donnachaidh]

14. uhh --- I live in the South

And in this case, if they set their own home on fire and blamed others - they DESERVE bashing. Hell, big ole Boot slapped upside their head -- and then hand them to the cops.

[davidinalameda]

20. someone should tell some people in the south that as well

some of them are still fighting "The War of Northern Aggression"

[DumpDavisHogg]

15. I think she was framed

I believe absolutely that she was framed. Not a shadow of a doubt in my mind about it.

If she comes out and admitted she set the fire herself, it would be a different story, but that hasn't happened.

I know what right-wing counties are capable of, and that includes framing people.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

19. Knew there was going to be at least one on this thread

[tom_paine]

21. You're right! Martin Luther King REALLY WAS a Communist!

Thanks, PP! You showed me the light.

The authorities, the FBI said it.

Can you believe the temerity of those fools saying that he WASN'T a Communist?

Way to display the scientific method. Arrogance and 100% certainty. The Scientist's Creed, eh?

I can see why yuou avoided responding to my first post, so let me say it clearer and briefer:

Only a fool is 100% certain in the face of an extreme lack of information.

THAT'S what side I am on. That and the astonishing naivete of someone who can live through the last 8 years, and all the "trickle-down tyranny" that has been displayed by multiple police forces in this nation, and still take the word of the local sheriff, just like back in the 60s, when they said (quite correctly, history has shown, right PP?) that the 3 missing Liberal Civil Rights Workers were staging a publicity stunt and hiding, not murdered by the KKK and local sheriff.

As we know, the good citizens of Philadelphia, MS were exonerated in 1964. It DID turn out that Goodman, Cheney, and Schwimmer, evil Lib'ruls that they were, were in fact, alive and well and hiding out in Chicago, just like the local cops said.

:sarcasm: :rofl:

Only a fool is 100% certain in the face of an extreme lack of information.

Sorry to be so blunt with you, but you are so excited to have performed the ol' judo flip on people. What's insane and Hannity-like, is that you arrived at 100% certainty with less actuial information on a topic than Hannity usually does. Now, like Hannity, you take your informationless judo-flip, and pretend it is the end of of indisputable information.

Sorry to be so frank, but I have long ago lost patience with this kind of 0/1 yes/no binary thinking, which is now our favorite national mode of thinking, Republics and Democrats alike.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

22. You must of replied to the wrong post, since minus the hyperbole we have some agreement

I was pointing out the slam dunk certainty that some displayed in the prior thread and in the post I responded to.

[tom_paine]

23. If you say so. In that case, it is my bad and I misinterpreted your words.

It sounded like you were pronouncing it a slam-dunk certainty of her guilt, and thus her 100% discreditation. (which is certainly possible)

Even if not, you should consider what I have said about the Bushification and re-KKK-ification of our various Law Enforcement Branches up to and including the DOJ. Can Obama fix it to a reasonable approximation of what it was, with Bushie cabals planted inside to keep their totalitarian vision of a captive DOJ alive until Obama is gone, and the Bushies come back in 4 or 8 years and pick up like they were never gone?

This is basically what happened during Clinton, only obviously the problem is MUCH further along, much bigger and more difficult to reverse by "legal" means (the Bushies have indeed taken the nazi strategy of detsroying from within to heart) as it is the parasitized law enforcement and Bushified agencies, like their nazified counterparts of the 1930s from which the criminals were tasked with enforcing the laws.

I know I know, I took a small issue and put it in a larger perspective as a tile piece of a mosaic. But as I watch the insane stimulus "debate" and the usual results thereof, it makes me wonder if things just aren't too far gone for anyone to save. I guess I am bringing that to every discussion because it continues to blow my mind. Maybe it's misplaced here, and if so ignore the hell out of me. But I have to say it because All Roads Lead to Rome and we'd better start realizing it.

Once the Nazis (or the Bushies) reach a certain critical mass of insanity, disconnectedness, and delusion. Once the Nazis or Bushies are allowed to take over the language and framing, create their own media which controls the debate of the entire nation and the laughably misnamed "Liberal Media", once all of this passes a certain critical mass, we are left with the same dilemna the sane Germans had in the early 1930s.

Inverted Totalitarianism. Read about it. Understand it. Because unless Obama pulls off the hail mary here, and Inverted Totalitarianism has passed far beyond that critical mass i was speaking of and cannot be defeated with reason or harsh language.

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20080515_chalmers_johnson_on_our_managed_democracy/

Ask the Germans still alive from the 1930s.

http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html

My apologies for misinterpreting you and my apologies for going off. It's just that it really sucks to be one of the few who sees Hitler and the nazis for what they are long before anyone else.

Even now, people still don't realize, although Obama gives us our best chance to turn it around he is fighting massively entrenched forces ho probably wouldn't hesitate to kill him if he actually got anywhe near the actual infrastructure of Inverted totalitarianism.

And yeah, maybe this lady did burn down her house. So what? Here come the Greater Depression that leads to Emperor Jeb or perhaps George P. Bush, or how 'bout Empress Palin, who's more than crazy and Nazi enough to fill the bill? Will we have 4 years of Obama, before the boa constrictor puts on the final set of squeezes, or will they give us 8 before they deem us ready for further Bushification?

[Vektor]

16. Need more info. The story gives almost none.

She was out of town at the inauguration when the house burned down. I'd like to know a little more about how this happened.

The news story doesn't say a whole lot. :shrug: