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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 09:59 PM
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Bailout, Take 2: Investors want US to share risk
Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON – Investors want the Obama administration to sweeten the deal before they agree to buy risky debt from U.S. banks as part of the government's retooled program to rescue the ailing financial industry.

The administration is expected to announce Tuesday that the government's latest bailout strategy will be enticing big investors to buy more than $1 trillion in troubled assets from the banks. The hope is that, free from the drag of subprime mortgage debt and other bad investments, banks will be more likely to start lending money again and the economy will rebound.

Treasury officials, briefing Congress on the plan Monday night, suggested two approaches that the administration was considering to deal with toxic assets, according to congressional staffers who spoke on condition of anonymity before the program was announced.

These aides said the government might provide guarantees for the bad assets to establish a floor on possible losses or perhaps provide low-cost financing through the Federal Reserve for investors willing to purchase the bad assets.


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bailout_plan



Um, the risk was taken by investors originally. In this case, it failed. That's why it's called risk. That's why when you get some big money you invest hoping to make BIGGER money but sometimes it fails and that's called the results of RISK.

The fact that the US is bailing you out is pretty frickin' unusual. To ask that the US assume the risk is just a case of hubris ("ballsy"). WE'RE fucking bailing YOU out. Deal with it or go away.

If you weren't one of the original investors, I'm sorry, but nobody's going to guarantee your raid on a fire sale for you. Think "tag sale" and "as is".

Sheesh.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:10 PM
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1. fuck investors.
THO, the government makes 401k bound to wall street. bring back pensions.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:54 AM
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2. Coprophagous Little Fucks
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 12:56 AM by wellst0nev0ter
What? Can't stand the losses? Then here's a suggestion:

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:07 AM
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3. There is No Substitute for Mortgage Debt Restructuring
http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc090209.htm

"...The heart of this problem continues to be the need to restructure the payment obligations of borrowers. For the better part of a year now, I have repeatedly (and increasingly urgently) advocated the restructuring of mortgage obligations by a variety of methods (collecting the pieces of securitized mortgages through “all or nothing” auctions, writing down principal in return for “property appreciation rights”, etc). Frankly, I had expected more progress on this from both Congress and the Treasury, considering the obvious urgency. But evidently, only perhaps $50 billion of TARP funds will be directed toward foreclosure abatement. On Tuesday, we'll find out to what extent they've got it right...


...This week's issue of Barron's includes an interview with Ray Dalio, who runs Bridgewater Associates, and also emphasizes the urgency of debt restructuring. It's an extremely good interview with an exceptionally smart guy, and it should not be missed. Here are some excerpts:


...“What the Federal Reserve has done and what the Treasury has done, by and large, is to take an existing debt and say they will own it or lend against it. But they haven't said they are going to write down the debt and cut debt payments each month. There has been little in the way of debt relief yet. Very, very few actual mortgages have been restructured. Very little corporate debt has been restructured. The reason it hasn't actually produced increased credit activity is because the debtors are still too indebted and not able to properly service the debt.

“If you think that restructuring the banks is going to get lending going again and you don't restructure the other pieces -- the mortgage piece, the corporate piece, the real-estate piece -- you are wrong, because they need financially sound entities to lend to, and that won't happen until there are restructurings.

“By the way, in the bear market from 1929 to the bottom, stocks declined 89%, with six rallies of returns of more than 20% -- and most of them produced renewed optimism. But what happened was that the economy continued to weaken with the debt problem. The Hoover administration had the equivalent of today's TARP in the Reconstruction Finance Corp. The stimulus program and tax cuts created more spending, and the budget deficit increased..."









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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 04:01 AM
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4. This will cheer ya up:
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 04:05 AM by chill_wind
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 04:25 AM
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5. What's in your wallet? ROFLMAO - wasn't expecting that!
... needed that laugh, so thank you.

Nothin's in my wallet, not even moths ...
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 04:29 AM
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6. Still the same ol' trickery
They win if they win. They win if they lose. They win if they break even.

We lose if they lose.

The only risk to their risks is a risk to you and me.

What a racket.

How come I don't or can't have a racket?



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