Angry Poland accuses Pak of fostering terrorism

[cosmicone]

Source: Times of India

WASHINGTON: Poland has joined the ranks of countries accusing Pakistan of inaction, if not outright complicity in terrorist activity, following
the beheading last week of a Polish national by the Pakistani Taliban.

In a furious response that has stunned the international diplomatic community, Polish justice minister Andrzej Czuma on Monday blamed Pakistan's ''apathy'' in tackling terrorism for the killing of a Polish geologist who was kidnapped by the Pakistani Taliban from Attock town in Punjab.

"The structure of the Pakistani government is behind this apathy. The Pakistani authorities encourage these bandits," Czuma told a Polish news agency, even as the horrific killing recalled the similar beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

The minister’s outburst stunned his own colleagues in the diplomatic circuit who are a little more circumspect in public about Pakistan’s reputation as a haven of terrorism. ''It was unnecessary honesty, it sent shivers down my spine when I heard Minister Czuma speaking,'' Pawe? Gra?, a member of the Polish parliament's Special Services Committee and Czuma's party colleague told the Polish media.

Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Angry_Poland_accuses_Pak_of_fostering_terrorism/articleshow/4107939.cms

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Hope the pressure continues to build against Pakistan and strips it of the fig leaf of respectability. It is a terrorist country that uses terror as the official state policy.

[izquierdista]

1. On the other hand

He would still be alive today if Tweedledee and Tweedledum didn't have to follow Bush around the world hoping to get some of his crumbs. There is NO reason for Poles to be in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan given the work they need to do to bring their country up to Western European standards.

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[Alcibiades]

4. You're right: the ISI has always worked unofficially

Pakistan is Janus-faced on this issue, officially opposed to terrorism, but allowing terrorists to operate safe havens in their country. Any terrorist actions taken by these groups are plausibly deniable by Pakistan. As our president has noted, we have dumped 10 billion on the Pakistani government for the purpose of combating terrorism, only to see it grow stronger.

It cannot be proved that the ISI has links to Al Queda, or that the Pakistani government has ever used third parties to attack in Kashmir, India or elsewhere. And it's completely irrelevant that they have recently allowed Khan, the one man who has done more to proliferate nuclear weapons technology in our lifetimes to go free. And I am sure that, despite the fact that Pakistan has the 7th largest military in the world, any terrorists who operate there do so despite the best efforts of the Pakistani state security apparatus.

And you're rude.

[closeupready]

6. Alcibiades calling me rude is LOL-worthy.

Thanks for the laugh. :rofl:

[Alcibiades]

7. You've never seen me write "FU" to another DUer

Because it's never happened. Maybe you have me confused with someone else, I don't know.

Your smiley is cute, but it does not draw into question the proposition that the Pakistani government has had a long, long history of supporting terrorism. The only thing that has kept it off the state terror list in the past has been the close relations between the Pakistani military-industrial complex and our own. Thankfully, we now have a president willing to at least attempt to pressure Pakistan on this issue.

[closeupready]

8. Long ALLEGED support from Pakistan haters, Islamophobes and racists, yes.

I've never seen proof that they support terrorism, just a lot of longwinded posts on internet bulletin boards.

If you have the proof, please post links here. Thanks.

[Alcibiades]

10. OK, you got me there

Thanks. That, at least, is an argument. The only "proof" I have are the same sources you discount, mainly Indian.

[cosmicone]

11. Here!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123125734648657551.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/15/afghan....

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11644/isi_and_terrorism....

http://indiapost.com/article/india/5077 /

:spank:

[cosmicone]

5. Why would this upset you?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123125734648657551.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/15/afghan.pakistan/index.html

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11644/isi_and_terrorism.html

http://indiapost.com/article/india/5077/

Many people are saying Pakistan uses terror as its official policy tool by forming, funding and training various terrorist groups.

Pakistan-based and Pakistan funded terrorists have been implicated in terror in Bosnia, Dagestan, Chechnya, Kosovo, Kashmir, Xin Jiang and Mindanao (Philippines). Exporting terror is what Pakistan does best - second only to export of heroin.

Enjoy the links :spank:

[pampango]

3. I agree with your sentiment, BUT it appears that getting Poland to cutoff

relations with Pakistan is one of the killers goals.

"In the video, Mr. Stanczak appealed to the Polish government not to send troops to Afghanistan. He also asked his government to sever diplomatic relations with the Pakistani government if it did not seek his release."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/world/asia/10pstan.html

[ohio2007]

9. five part video series

on how Carter and his national security advisor saw this day comming in early '79

SOVIET AFGHAN WAR DOCUMENTARY Part 2/5


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXo9eVO1x0&feature=related

gets interesting at the 5:00 mark but all five vids are good source of info;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Vmx9Pg5Js&feature=related

you must decide how biased the sources and interviews are

[ohio2007]

12. Poland wants US to help find beheading culprits

WARSAW: Poland has asked the US for support in hunting down the Taliban militants suspected in the beheading of a Polish engineer in Pakistan, the nation's foreign minister said Tuesday.
Radoslaw Sikorski said Poland's ambassador in Washington has submitted a note to the US State Department ‘with a request for support for our efforts to capture the killers.’
He added that Warsaw has filed the same request with other countries, but did not specify which ones.

snip

Poland's Foreign Ministry demanded action from Islamabad to apprehend those responsible.
‘We categorically demand from Pakistan's authorities the capture of the culprits of this crime and their punishment with the full severity this act demands,’ the ministry said in a statement.
It called on Pakistan's government to recover Stanczak's body so it can be returned to Poland and his family.

snip

http://dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/world/poland-wants-us-to-help-find-beheading-culprits--qs

Pakistan has a shrinking circle of freinds


http://dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/world/al-qaeda-commander-warns-india-of-mumbai-like-attacks-ha

and Pakistans neighbor appears more irritated
http://dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/pakistan/sindh/26-pakistani-fishermen-arrested-by-indian-navy-szh

[cosmicone]

13. Pakistan is an illegitimate country created by the brits

out of spite.

It needs to be balkanized into Sindh, Baluchistan, Khalistan and Pakhtoonistan so the little countries won't cause problems for the world and will be far more manageable.