Octuplets fertility doctor at center of another multi-pregnancy

[question everything]

Source: LA Times

February 12, 2009

The Beverly Hills doctor who helped Nadya Suleman conceive octuplets also provided fertility treatment to a 49-year-old woman who is pregnant with quadruplets and is hospitalized at County-USC Medical Center. Several sources told The Times that Dr. Michael Kamrava transferred at least seven embryos made from younger donor eggs.

(snip)

The woman in the latest case arrived recently at Good Samaritan Hospital for treatment but was transferred last week to County-USC because she lacks insurance, the sources said. Doctors placed her on bed rest until the birth of the babies, which, they added, could be two or three months from now. Reached by telephone, the woman, who is about five months pregnant, denied that Kamrava was her doctor. She said her doctors urged her not to talk to the media because she is already dealing with a high-risk pregnancy and doesn't need more stress.

"Please respect my privacy," she said.

(The Times has confirmed the information through several independent sources, who spoke on the condition that they not be named.) The woman has three grown children from a previous marriage but wanted another child with her second husband, who is in his early 30s and doesn’t have any children. She works as an apartment manager; her husband is a contractor. Kamrava could not be reached for comment and has declined previous interview requests. A woman who answered the phone at his West Coast IVF Clinic said, “If mother wants to bring four kids, so what?”





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[Mind_your_head]

1. Oh, for heaven's sakes this has gotten ridiculous! n/t

[4lbs]

2. 49 years old?!?!??! Holy crap! Isn't that a little too old for a woman to be having children?

She's inherently at a much greater medical risk being pregnant at that mature of an age, and with multiple children!

[LisaL]

6. A woman in India has been recently reported to give birth at age 70.

[4lbs]

7. In a country that already has over a billion people and millions die every year due to lack of food.

Was it really necessary?

[LisaL]

8. It's not necessary for anyone to have children, I presume.

[Dr.Phool]

11. I don't have any. I prefer dogs.

And I've got the vasectomy and the hounds to prove it!

[Sultana]

They wanted a male child

[Sultana]

21. DUPE :D

[JerseygirlCT]

31. Transferring 7 in that situation sure doesn't make sense to me

Quads are going to be very hard to carry for any mother.

But I think the age part has more to do with ability to conceive than ability to carry. But 7? Too, too many.

[bitchkitty]

37. My friend had her daughter at age 49.

She was perfect, and today is a beautiful girl with an IQ in the stratosphere!

[shanti]

43. but i'm sure

it wasn't a picnic for mom... right? my youngest is 18, and i'm 53. i can't even imagine having an 18 year old at 67!

[bitchkitty]

44. The pregnancy went well, but the birth, as you say -

was difficult. I believe she went the unconscious route!

[shanti]

46. oh, i wasn't referring to the actual birth

it was the childrearing as an "older" woman that i questioned...

[bitchkitty]

47. Mary, my friend was a bit of an eccentric as far as the typical moms go.

What I admired about her was that she NEVER lied to her child. Emily was never told the prince charming fairy tales that most mothers tell their children. She was told that there was no Santa Claus, that there was no Easter bunny, and that goodness was its own reward, that there wasn't a mythical cloud in a mythical heaven waiting for her when she died.

Emily skipped several grades, got high honors in all her classes, and is one of the most mature and utterly charming teenagers you'll ever meet.

If I had a kid, I would emulate Mary.

[shanti]

49. it seemed to have worked out well for them both -

more power to your friend!

peace :hi:

[KakistocracyHater]

38. they used to get Down's Syndrome

when they had a baby late in life, isn't this still true, or do pre-natal vitamins really make this a non-issue? Any way I see it, there should be a law that no more than 3-at-a-time in utero, more than triplets should be illegal, for the health of the children, as people. That has really been lost in all the hoopla, treacher-collins syndrome? Have it anyway! What about as people, what happened to considering the future, how will these children grow up & live in the world? Who will take care of them if they have catastrophic birth defects?

[TXDemGal]

40. If I'm reading the report right, these were donor eggs

I.e., eggs from a younger woman. So, decreased risk of Downs?

Anyway, I think the guy's license should be yanked. But will the state's med licensing board have the balls to do it?

[KakistocracyHater]

41. pregnancy induced high blood pressure?

Heart attack? She's 49 years old, death by childbirth even happens to young mothers. She'll get her workouts by chasing after the kids

[sutz12]

3. Maybe we should make this guy pay child support for all the feti he implants.

That might slow him down.

;)

[windbreeze]

5. You and I think alike...

I told my husband the same thing today...Let him support all these kids....wb

[question everything]

25. Agree. Or, at least, inquire about their lack of insurnace

realizing that the woman may have to be hospitalized some months before delivery.

Isn't it amazing that people who want to adopt have to jump through so many hoops, yet ones who want to bring multiple children can do so at will.

[Night_Nurse]

28. I've been saying that since I first heard about this story... nt

[gristy]

4. Article in the NY Times today said that of the 56 procedures the clinic that Kamrava heads

had done in 2006, just 2 had resulted in women giving birth. The national average is around 30%.

[Dr.Phool]

12. Quack, Quack.

The guy's a whack and a quack.

[Quantess]

9. Every attention-seeking multiple-birth crazed woman is now on his robocall.

IMHO, his license needs to be stripped, so that he does not humor their odd fertility requests.

[MichaelHarris]

10. I wonder

if this doctor has some sicko weird baby thing going on where he's a sperm donor for all these fertilized eggs. Some religions believe the more family they have means a place in a "higher" heaven. He finds poor women, uses them as an incubator for the millions he expects to fertilize. Man my tinfoil is strong.

[jmowreader]

14. He'd be screening his victims more closely if that was the case

Upthread, there's a comment that his clinic's procedures produce live births four percent of the time...which is horrible.

[woodsprite]

15. You and I must have been sharing the roll of tin foil because I thought the same thing.

My son was conceived using IVF and no respected or ethical doctor would pull the crap that this guy is doing.

[Justice]

16. There was a law and order episode a few years ago that was as you describe

[question everything]

26. There was a real case when it was found out

that the doctor was the donor. Some 10 years ago, I think.

[No Elephants]

13. Take away the guy's license for recklessly endangering the lives of the

mothers and babies.

This guy is as sick as Suleman.

[question everything]

27. And for saddling the California tax payers with millions of dollars

He is ruining it for real people who want babies and for real people who need a government assistance.

[toopers]

17. If I remember correctly . . .

It is not uncommon to put back multiple embryos. The IVR facility will put back multiples then recommend selective abortion if multiple embryos survive the process. Putting back multiple embryos is not at all uncommon. Most IVR processes involve multiple embryos being put back.

[avebury]

18. Interesting Contrast

It is interesting that Octomom was able to finish her pregnancy at Kaiser Peramenta Hospital while this woman was sent to the local county hospital. I have to wonder if it would have been cheaper for taxpayers if Octomom had been sent to the county hospital. Would Kaiser have been able to turn her away if she had shown up on their doorstep? There seems to be a disparity between the level of medical care Ocotmom was able to receive and what this woman will get.

[Jefferson23]

19. Irresponsible doesn't even begin to cover this story.

[Rebellious Republican]

20. Make him pay for any public funding and tax dollars spent on all these children ...

He is probably a right wing fundie who thinks its ok to play god one way and not another, fuckin hypocrites. How much you wanna bet he is Anti Abortion, anti pregnancy prevention and does not or would refuse to dispense the pill or condoms. I bet he votes republican and is for slashing social spending and aid for the poor, because he wants his tax's lower or non existent. He is probably pro adoption as opposed to abortion, but would not adopt himself, someone else should do that. OK end of rant, I feel much better now!

This Doctor needs to be investigated in a serious way!

This really smells of Josef Mengele type mentality.....

Snip> Mengele was tasked by Hitler to create a “Master Race”, did this work actually continue after the Fall of Germany? <Snip


One in five pregnancies in the small Brazilian town have resulted in twins - most of them blond haired and blue eyed


http://artoriuscastus.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/josef-mengele-devil-of-auschwitz/

:shrug:

[Gin]

22. so.....octomom had insurance????

[barb162]

29. Yes, her insurance plan is called the state of California taxpayers

I bet the medical bills on those children will be about 3 million by the time they get out of that hospital.

[latebloomer]

33. The state of CA pays for multiples IVFs?

Many private plans don't pay for it at all, or have a limit on how many they'll pay for.

[barb162]

34. No they don't as far as I know. She used about 100,000

on the IVF as stated in an interview on Dateline. But the med bills for these preemies, astronomical, and it's clear the hospital is applying to the state fund for the costs.

[Rebellious Republican]

32. Ever heard of Google, try it, it works well.

Thats two women that he has crossed both ethical and moral bounds by his flagrant use of in vitro fertilization.

I am not saying that it should never be used, it should however be used wisely! Most Doctors would never cross the the line of two per mom, thats SOP.

This doctor has gone to far, and guess who is going to pick up the tab for these mothers and this idiot that calls himself a doctor, want to take a guess?

:eyes:

[barb162]

35. Two interesting stories

What this doc has to say for himself and what octomom will do when she gets the octuplets home, especially if her mother goes AWOL. I wonder how many bathrooms that house has.

[toopers]

42. When you say, "Most doctors would never cross the line of 2 per

mom", are you talking about putting back embryos?

[snooper2]

23. Maybe it's his sperm- and he's trying to spread his seed...

Wasn't there a movie like that...

[KillCapitalism]

24. Because over 6.5 billion people on this Earth aren't enough.

:sarcasm:

[barb162]

39. Yeah

and their genes are so incredibly great, they have to populate the planet as much as they can.

[JerseygirlCT]

30. Seven transferred. Yikes.

It's starting to sound as if this doctor is jealously guarding a record for successful pregnancies among his patients. And risking their lives and health to do so.

[Pastiche423]

36. Putting a face on unethical greed...

[and-justice-for-all]

45. Stop the madness!!! nt

[Beaverhausen]

48. She has no insurance but has the $$$ to pay for IVF???

WTF???