Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Mexicans protest army ops against drug gangs

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:48 PM
Original message
Mexicans protest army ops against drug gangs
Source: Reuters

Mexicans protest army ops against drug gangs
Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:35pm EST

By Robin Emmott

MONTERREY, Mexico (Reuters) - Hundreds of Mexicans blocked roads and bridges into the United States on Tuesday in a protest of army operations against drug gangs that officials said was organized by the drug cartels.

About 300 protesters, some with handkerchiefs tied over their faces, carried signs saying "Army Get Out!" in front of the town hall in the northern city of Monterrey, 130 miles from the Texan border, the largest in a series of anti-army protests this week.

In a growing challenge to the military across Mexico, small groups of taxi drivers also blocked bridges that connect the border cities of Reynosa and Nuevo Laredo with Texas, stopping vehicles and foot passengers, police said.

Hundreds of miles away, another 300 people blocked highways in the Gulf city of Veracruz to pressure the military to go back to their bases.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE51G6QY20090217?rpc=401&feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=401
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:50 PM
Response to Original message
1. They know the drug gangs have brought more money into their towns than Fox and co
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Demlobos06 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
2. I bet they were paid by Cartels to Protest
Sounds like a classic tactic of paying for protesting to me
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Hey, it's a job.
Are there any other jobs they can get? Is the Army going to feed them?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. They were. Almost all of these protesters were given money by the cartels to protest
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 06:46 PM
Response to Original message
4. Mexican citizens need to have their right to bear arms respected...
Edited on Tue Feb-17-09 06:47 PM by Jack_DeLeon
if the average citizen could have the tools to defend themselves against criminals (government ones or otherwise) then the country would be better off.

We in the US also need to end this wasteful failure that is the war on drugs. You cannot stop the capitalism, where there is a demand there will be people willing to supply it one way or another.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
5. "...officials said (protest) was organized by the drug cartels."
You don't have to be a drug trafficker to object to the militarization of a social problem. Alleviate poverty, legalize drugs, promote good police work for violent crimes or grand theft, and heal society--instead of more and more killing, more and more guns, and ever-increasing drug and weapons traffic, no matter how much of a brutalizing, fascist, military boondoggle we throw at the problem.

We spend billions and billions and billions of dollars allegedly trying to break peoples' drug habits. It is insane, hypocritical and a failure. It is no more effective than Prohibition was. It needs to be ENDED.

And there is a more insidious aspect to the Bushwhack militarization of Mexico. At least half of Mexicans are leftists. The leftist candidate for president in 2005, Lopez-Obrador, came within a hairsbreadth (0.05%) of winning, and would have won had it not been for ballot box stuffing and electronic tabulator shenanigans late at night on election night. I have little doubt that the rightwing corporatist, Felipe Calderon, who 'won,' did so as the result of a deal with the Bushwhacks to privatize Mexico's oil (a constitutionally protected resource). He has had a hard time doing so, and hasn't succeeded so far. Mexicans are incensed about this, and the leftists in the legislature have forced public hearings.

Mexico is also suffering neo-liberal meltdown, with increasing vast poverty and displacement. They are likely to go leftist in the next election and then Mexico will join the huge block of leftist Latin American governments that are working for social justice and are into protecting the sovereignty of Latin American countries, specifically from bullying and interference by the U.S. (--with the U.S. "war on drugs" as one of the prime tools for doing so). This Latin American social justice/sovereignty block currently includes: Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, Chile, Nicaragua and Guatemala, and will soon include El Salvador (election soon; leftist way ahead; Honduras is also leaning left). The South American countries have gone ahead and formed a South American 'common market'--UNASUR, sans the U.S. In UNASUR's first important action, it united behind Evo Morales' government in Bolivia, when Morales threw the U.S. ambassador and the DEA out of Bolivia, for funding/organizing a violent fascist coup attempt, this last September. UNASUR is working on including Central America/the Caribbean in this 'common market.' (Cuba is already a member.)

The corpo/fascists who rule over us do not want a huge 'common market' into social justice right on our doorstep. We might get ideas about social justice ourselves. We might want to throw off our corpo/fascist rulers and join that 'common market.'

So you see why the rightwing Mexican government--using their military, funded by billions from the U.S., and coordinated with the DEA, etc.--are stirring up so much shit in the border towns, including--in my opinion--pitting one drug gang against another, specifically to induce carnage, to justify a big military presence on the border--and, if the "war on drugs" in Colombia is any guide, using the opportunity to brutalize, intimidate and even kill union leaders, leftist and community organizers, human rights workers, journalists and anyone who opposes fascism and a police state. Don't get me wrong. Some drug gangs are certainly violent. I'm saying pouring fascist, militaristic tactics on everything else is deliberately designed to make things worse. Further, I have no confidence that the Mexican military or the U.S. DEA is not filthy corrupt on drug trafficking and weapons trafficking themselves. They may be favoring their own drug gangs and capturing/killing off the competition.

Politically, this new, Bushwhack-funded "war on drugs" militarism in Mexico is intended to bolster rightwing forces, to prevent the left from winning the next election, to inspire fear and terror, so that some people are fooled into preferring "strong" fascist government, to cause mayhem (a la Rumsfeld's tactics in Iraq), and to cloud our perceptions about what is really going on in Mexico (the deliberate impoverishment of millions), and create Mexico as a militarized bulwark against UNASUR and the leftist political tide that is sweeping Latin America.

Alvaro Colom, the new progressive president of Guatemala, had, as his campaign poster, when he ran for office, two open hands and a dove. His opponent, a ferocious fascist, had a poster with an angry clenched fist. The issue was the "war on drugs." Colom agrees with me that alleviating poverty is the number one priority solution to the drug trade. I don't know if he wants to legalize drugs*, but he is opposed to militarization of the problem. His rightwing opponent is like our Bushwhacks--war is the answer to everything. He wanted to instigate a police "crackdown." Colom won!

This is one of THE core issues within Latin American countries, and between Latin American countries and the U.S. The trend is going against the U.S. "war on drugs" in many countries (notably Bolivia, Ecuador and Venezuela), and often the issue is not only the insanity, corruption, murderousness and failure of this "war" but also the sovereignty of the country. For instance, Rafael Correa, the hugely popular new president of Ecuador, pledged to evict the U.S. "war on drugs" military base from Ecuador. He said he would permit it to stay when the U.S. permits Ecuador to have a military base in Miami. The hugely popular new president of Bolivia, Evo Morales, just threw the DEA (and the U.S. ambassador) out of Bolivia, for supporting the fascist coup attempt (which descended into rioting and mass murder).

------------------


*(A group of former Latin American presidents just made an announcement calling for the legalization of marijuana. I can't remember the occasion. But the idea has now been publicly floated. Bolivia's new Constitution, just passed by some 60% of the voters, legalizes coca leaves as the sacred medicine herb of the indigenous. Bolivia doesn't approve of cocaine or drug gangs, but it does make this SANE distinction, honoring a thousand year old tradition of chewing coca leaves or drinking coca leaf tea for nutrition and to survive in the icy, high altitudes of the Andes mountains.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robbibaba Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Great post!
I found your post very helpful in understanding the issues. Thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. We must remember, some governments fund themselves from the drug trade
.
.
.

USA is one of them

I'm not saying the President is,

but some of his departments are,

FBI, CIA, etc., are most likely funding unauthorized operations with drug money

regular street cops participate in the drug trade

it all goes uphill . . .

if drugs were legal, prices would drop like a stone,

and the drug lords would have to find a new way of life . . .

we deal with the alcohol problem - drunk driving and so on

we can deal with the druggie thing -

probably LESS problems than keeping drugs illegal . . .

Them's my Canuk thots . . .

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 07:24 PM
Response to Original message
6. I was sitting in a cafe today...
and a protest went by. Now, I'm not 100% sure what the people were protesting-mostly the people were older. It was a small protest and it went by rather quickly. I was sort of engrossed in my work and caught the last bit of it. But people are pretty unhappy around here (I'm in Tepic, the capital of Nayarit). Everyone seems a bit edgy and there are events in the two plazas seemingly daily. Because I obviously stand out and I'm alone here, I've been shying away from anything remotely political. There are tons (and I mean TONS) of cops everywhere. One sees police in Guadalajara (where I usually stay in Mexico), but in Tepic, phew, there are police everywhere you turn.
I should buy a paper tomorrow and find out what went on today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 08:21 PM
Response to Original message
8. Judi, as always a great article!
I find this very interesting. The US has been funneling tons of cash into Mexico in our ever-expanding effort to gain more political ground. As usual, the “drug war” is the stated cause. The MSM have been putting out the usual “social engineering” stories regarding the drug problem and the Mexican gangs.

Looks to me as if things are not playing out exactly the way someone wanted.

Please read great comments and observations by Jack_DeLeon, Peace Patriot & a la izquierda.


I fear it will be an “interesting” year.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:19 AM
Response to Original message
11. "The drug cartels are coming! The drug cartels are coming! The drug cartels are coming!" ---
Glad it's not the commies coming again -- they probably want to legalize

marijuana!

Doesn't everyone?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 03:34 PM
Response to Original message
12. just the beginning.
when the other Mexican oil field collapse, this will seem like the good times.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
13. It's kind of like the Italian American protests against mob crackdowns in
the early seventies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 05:32 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC