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laststeamtrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 06:22 AM Original message |
Amnesty calls on US to suspend arms sales to Israel |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. What, and have the Pentagon/MIC loose a prime testing ground |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
3. "(A)n immediate arms embargo on Israel and all Palestinian armed groups" would lead |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. how can embargo be enforced against Hamas and Hezbollah? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. So you thus promote murder for all eternity |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Israel cannot afford to blink. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Israel may not have -officially- called for the destruction of Palestine |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. Oh really? Who has done 90 or 95 percent of the killing? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. If someone wanted to destroy my country, I would probably kill as many of them as I could too. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. You don't seem to have any problem with the fact that Israel... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Yes, there are primaries every two years. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Academics are not immune to fluff. |
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moodforaday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. And if the powers of the world |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. The problem is that your analogy is invalid. |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
72. oh thank you |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
49. You would willingly kill innocent people? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. No, I would act in self defense. |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #49 |
73. Oh come on. are you forgetting that |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. Israel is destroying itself. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Quite the contrary, Israel is acting to stop being destroyed by Hamas. n/t |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. So you keep insisting. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. It's totally ludicrous to compare Israel to the Taliban. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #62 |
78. I can see that you haven't come to terms with your own predjudices. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. You are too glib in throwing around the word "prejudice." |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Oh, ok. I see how you are. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Obama himself mentions al-Qaeda and the Taliban in the same breath. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Let me take another tack on this. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Of course I am well aware of the "one person's terrorist is someone else's freedom... |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I'm glad you have it all figured out. Help me understand, if you will. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Just so you know... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. It's not a case of whether it's a "fair fight" or not. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. If Israel would remove their "settlements" (forts) |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #67 |
85. So now you are comparing the Israelis to Hitler? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Evil is as evil does... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. OK. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #63 |
80. That just isn't true at all. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
83. That's correct, |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 02:30 AM Response to Reply #60 |
74. wait... you mean those rockets, if launched by Hamas, are harmless? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Compared to |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. Hamas can "call" for the destruction of Israel all it wants |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 06:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
52. Oh please..... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #52 |
64. It's not as if the Arab states in that region have not tried to destroy Israel. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. In 1948, the Zionists also |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #69 |
76. ancient state of Palestine? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Palestine was a Biblical state. OT. |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #52 |
75. still israelis remain a minority in the region. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
68. Wow. I wouldn't worry about Hamas if I were you... |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
65. unfortunately it's the Hamas' actions |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #65 |
91. No, it's USAmerikan weapons, money and support |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. That's a funny question - who embargoed Israel from acquiring hundreds of nuclear weapons? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Well, for starters, we don't sell or give weapons to the Palestinians |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. Just because Iran and Syria are in the wrong |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 02:51 AM Response to Reply #44 |
77. israelis should adhere to their democratic foundations if they are to survive |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
6. Amnesty gets it. Cut off all aid. |
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Skwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
7. We need some serious change in this area. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
8. Associated article |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
10. Obama has an opportunity here to be the change he said he would. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
11. but, but -- arms sales are THE biggest money-maker for US industries |
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disndat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Absolutely. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Were Number #1 in GMO Frankenfoods! |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #24 |
79. think about it. once every american grows 2 heads, |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
13. We just had a wonderful presentation at our UU church (community) .. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
14. To be consistant... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
55. In fact... |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
15. The citizens of this country deserve a tv network that gives a voice to Amnesty and |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
16. Does the president have the balls to say "NO" to AIPAC and the like? |
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Most of our politicians |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
18. Bravo for asking the question that matters most from a US perspective: |
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Dortiz (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
19. Good call |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. No dice Amnesty. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Prove it |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I don't believe for one second that Iran's nuclear program |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Whereas it's certain that Israel's are for military purposes, since they've got nukes already. |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Actually, Israel has closer to 300 nuclear war heads now. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I was low-balling since too high a number brings certain trolls out... |
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livefreest (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
81. well this BBC article is pretty thin on substantive proof. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 01:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
70. Maybe Iran would like a nuke |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
23. Israel was just getting rid of stale weaponry |
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Coffee and Cake (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
27. Cut off all aid to Israel |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
31. The Empire laughs at Amnesty Inetrnational and says "Fuck you." |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. That's what the empire did to Tom Paine, too. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I know. Good point. But we stand at the last snuffings of the Enlightenment. |
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NeoConsSuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Sadly, I agree |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
35. K&R for Amnesty Int'l. n/t |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
37. Yes, please. Let's stop enabling expansionist murderers like olmert. |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
42. K&R |
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rhymeandreason (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
43. White Phosphorous is one of the most disgusting |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
46. I am surprised |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Nice melodrama |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Why a repeat performance? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #61 |
71. You conveniently forget Israel's nuclear arsenal (n/t) |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. It's doubtful they'll use it |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. You really don't know much about warfare or weapons... |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Iran will soon |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
51. Let's save $15 million a day in Israeli aid . . .!!! |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-24-09 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
54. Amnesty urges UN to ban arms to Israel and Hamas (Video) |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
66. The dirty little secret is... |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
86. Shouldn't the gungeon nuts be here to advocate for arming both sides? n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-26-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #86 |
93. Those wackos are too busy arming bears (n/t) |
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