Mayor in dutch for melon joke e-mail

[Judi Lynn]

Source: UPI

Mayor in dutch for melon joke e-mail
Published: Feb. 25, 2009 at 3:36 PM

LOS ALAMITOS, Calif., Feb. 25 (UPI) -- The mayor of a Southern California city says he apologized for sending out e-mail with an image of a watermelon patch growing on the White House lawn.

Los Alamitos Mayor Dean Grose called the missive "poor judgment" and didn't intend it to be offensive.

The Orange County Register said Wednesday that the e-mail message, which was sent from Grose's personal account, did offend Keyanus Price, an Africa-American businesswoman and community volunteer.

"I was horrified when I read that e-mail," Price told the Register.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/02/25/Mayor_in_dutch_for_melon_joke_e-mail/UPI-37401235594216/

[FLAprogressive]

1. "Mayor in dutch"???

[madaboutharry]

2. I wonder what that means.

Shouldn't it say "Mayor in ditch"?

[Stephanie]

5. Double dutch!

Don't the kids say that any more? You're in dutch!

[No Elephants]

78. Going Dutch. Now, that may be insulting--a way of referring to the Dutch as stingy.

[Mugweed]

3. I know...so racist.

What have the Dutch done to deserve it?

[Captain Hilts]

11. Well, a fair amount, but we'll talk about that another day...nt

[Tangerine LaBamba]

25. "in dutch"

It's an old expression, meaning "You're in trouble," and it harkens back to an earlier expression, the one about a "Dutch uncle," the one who would, presumably, lecture you - as a kid - for your wrongdoing. A Dutch uncle was perceived to be of stern stuff.

I can understand it. It would be hard to imagine a phrase like "Italian uncle" meaning someone who came down hard on your for wrongdoing, since my Italian uncles would reward me with cash whenever I pulled something they found amusing while the aunts found it criminal....................

[Captain Hilts]

41. I didn't know that about 'Dutch' unce. nt

[AbbeyRoad]

63. Thanks for the definition

This is the first time I've ever heard the expression "in dutch."

[Tangerine LaBamba]

67. I'm old..............

And, you know, I remember reading it in books when I was a kid. I'm not sure I ever actually heard anyone say it, but words have always been my fixation, so that's the kind of obscure fact I can pull up in a twinkling.

Glad to edify. Now, get out there and use it............... :)

[Captain Hilts]

71. Really, I've only heard it in the FDR quotation. nt

[LeftishBrit]

87. I am not familiar with the phrase, but wasn't Raygun sometimes called 'Dutch'?

In which case, the phrase does spell trouble!

[Canuckistanian]

32. 2 things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures...

... and the Dutch.

[No Elephants]

75. Racist? The Dutch race?

[Captain Hilts]

9. Me too. This is an expression I haven't heard since I read of Franklin - of Dutch descendence...

saying to Eleanor...also of Dutch descendence..."if you get me in Dutch, I'll get my way out."

I STILL don't exactly know what it means. Does it involve a 'Paddy wagon'?!?!

[No Elephants]

76. Mistake. Sorry. Deleted.

[nichomachus]

14. Does anyone know where that phrase comes from?

Very interesting.

We actually have a lot of ethnic slurs that circulate as part of common speech -- and often people don't realize they're using them.

The most recent Smithsonian Magazine had an interview with an African American minister who told of the civil rights marches and being pushed into a "paddy wagon."

It's kind of ironic, since the phrase originated as an ethnic slur against the Irish -- or Paddies, as they were called at one time. The Irish were seen by the "upper class" as being rowdy, uncouth drunks and the reason for which the police wagons were intended.

Calling a police wagon a "Paddy Wagon" isn't far different than calling it a "N****r Wagon."

[tosh]

18. I never knew that re: origin of Paddy Wagon.

[ZombieHorde]

24. Calling a police wagon a "Paddy Wagon" isn't far different than calling it a "N****r Wagon."

Yet you are willing to type out only one of those words.

[nichomachus]

30. Yeah, that's because

my asbestos suit is at the cleaners.

Personally, I don't see the difference, but the PC police are in hyperdrive today and I don't want to throw gasoline on the fire.

[ZombieHorde]

33. That makes sense. nt

[Gormy Cuss]

105. It's more accurate to say that 'paddy wagon' WAS that offensive. It, like 'gyp' has lost its punch.

I grew up in an Irish-American neighborhood --the oldest generation were all from the old sod. You can bet that no one said paddy wagon in our area. In my generation we knew not to say it around home but it really didn't have any sting for us.

I do however love to point out the ethnic slurs that have been mainstreamed into everyday speech, especially words like 'gyp,'and 'welsh.' It also amuses me that people don't see the connection between paddy wagons and the Irish, but then they weren't raised hearing Irish men called "Paddys" as a disparaging term.

[No Elephants]

79. According to wiki, there are several possible origins, but that is the most

likely.


Paddywagon and Black Maria are slang terms for either a police car, or a police vehicle used to transport large groups of people who have been arrested.

The word paddywagon is of American origin. The precise origin of the term is uncertain and disputed, though its use dates back to at least the beginning of the 1900s.<1> There are at least three theories as how the phrase originated.<2>

The most prevalent theory is based on the term "Paddy" (a common Irish shortening of Patrick), which was used (sometimes as derogatory slang) to refer to Irish people.<3> Irishmen made up a large percentage of the officers of early police forces in many American cities. Thus, this theory suggests that the concentration of Irish in the police forces led to the term "paddywagon" being used to describe the vehicles driven by police.
An alternative theory is similarly based on the term "Paddy" but states that the term arose due to the number of immigrant Irish being arrested for having consumed too much alcohol and taken away in the vehicles.<4>
The final theory holds that the name originates from the padding used on the inside of police horse-drawn carriages to prevent injury; <5> this last is regarded by lexicographers as an example of folk etymology.
These vehicles were usually painted black or a very dark blue. Archaically in the United States, Ireland and the United Kingdom, a police wagon was also sometimes called a Black Maria (using the archaic pronunciation i.e Mariah IPA: /məˈraɪə/). The origin of this term is equally uncertain. The OED lists the first usage as the Boston Evening Traveller from 1847 which mentions them as a new type of wagon. Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable suggests the name came from Maria Lee, a large and fearsome black keeper of a sailors' boarding house who the police would call on for help with difficult prisoners. The term is still used today in parts of Britain for the vehicle that transports prisoners from gaol to court, appearing in the song "Guns of Brixton" by The Clash. Frequently, screened-in buses are also used for the same purpose.<6>

The term also exists in Norwegian, where the same vehicle is called "maja" or "svartemaja" (alt. "-marje", "-marja"), originating from "Black Maria". In Serbian, it is "marica" (with a small "m"), while "Marica" with a capital "M" is a diminutive of several female names.

The Black Maria is also called 'Mothers Heart' as it is said that there is always room for one more.

The term pie wagon is another, less common synonym for paddywagon.

The term is often used in some areas of Australia, specifically New South Wales<1> and Queensland<2> to refer to a general duties vehicle with a prisoner cage on the back. Australian paddywagons are typically based on small utility vehicles such as the Holden Rodeo or Toyota Hilux. In Victoria, Australia the term Divisional Van (or Divvy Van for short) is sometimes used. In Western Australia, paddywagon is common amongst the general population but divvy van appears to be favoured by the police themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddywagon

[No Elephants]

80. The difference between "Paddy" and the N word in this country comes from history and usage. And I

see a large difference.

[Maeve]

31. There was a secondary joke to the term--the police officers were often Irish, too

And still are, in many cities...

[Captain Hilts]

39. Yes. Sept 11th showed that clearly. nt

[JJ]

36. I thought it was because so many cops were Irish.

[Captain Hilts]

40. Yes, that one works both ways. Don't take a chance. nt

[nichomachus]

55. Not originally

The Irish didn't become cops until they got some political power. The first Irish to come over were very poor, were laborers (when they could find work at all), and many lived in squalid conditions, usually in slums and ghettos that were violence ridden.

The cops in those days were of British stock.

I grew up in a city with a huge Irish population. In the early days, the conditions in what was then the Irish ghetto were so violent that the cops were forbidden to enter without at least two other cops for backup. Alcohol was a huge problem, probably because of the hopeless conditions some people found themselves in, leading to the stereotype of Irish as drunkards.

Gradually, though, the Irish worked their way up the ladder and that's when they began to get into jobs like the police and fire departments, where they established a complete lock. In my city, until recently, jobs in municipal departments were handed down from father to son. That's changed now, but it went on for a long time.

[Maeve]

64. I'm going to have to disagree here

As early as 1855, one quarter of new York's police force were Irish-born (and that doesn't include the number who were Irish-American. There were so many Irish-born there in 1870 that NYC was the largest "Irish" city in the world. Etymologists still disagree which origin of "paddy wagon" came first.

The first waves of Irish were the Protestant Irish (including the so-called Scots-Irish) and tended to be more middle class. Many headed to the frontier, being distrustful of governments for some reason... That would include families like those of Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan and the great-grandfather of US Grant.

[nichomachus]

95. I'll disagree right back

Since I did a history of our city and the Irish who came over as laborers, lived in shanties in a dismal part of town and were treated pretty shabbily.

[Maeve]

96. Everything I wrote can be found in Edward O'Donnell's book

"1001 Things Everyone Should Know about Irish American History". I can quote other sources if you need them.

[Captain Hilts]

38. Don't 'welsh' on a bet! Don't 'gyp' me! Folks STILL use these! That guy used Paddy...

Wagon? Most people don't have a clue about that one.

[nichomachus]

42. Let's not forget Scotch Tape

It was called that because in an effort to save money, 3M originally only put adhesive on the edges of the tape, which really didn't work very well. Scotch - stingy, therefore Scotch Tape.

[Captain Hilts]

43. Never heard that one. The use of the term 'Scotch' always drove me nuts...

because that's a drink!

[msanthrope]

53. That was sarcasm, right????

'Cause Scotch is a people....whiskey is the drink....

[Captain Hilts]

56. No, the people are Scots or Scottish. NOT 'Scotch'. nt

[tbyg52]

66. But the lovely brown fluid is Scotch!

:toast:

[Captain Hilts]

70. Cheers!

[msanthrope]

108. Funny. When living in Prestonpans, outside of Edinburgh,

I noted that the native-born people there often referred to themselves as "the Scotch" or "we Scotch." Certainly, if an outsider used 'Scotch' pejoratively, there might have been a fight....

In many a pub, I was told "Scotch is a people, nae a drink."

I learned never to drink the whiskey sent to America--pure shite made to handle American's appalling use of ice--and never to call whiskey, 'scotch.'

[GinaMaria]

90. there was a chain of hotels called the Thrifty Scot iirc

My Scottish friend frequently wrote them scathing letters.

Update:
It still exists: http://lodging.uptake.com/motels/minnesota/winona/thrifty_scot_motel_18751559.html

[Thor_MN]

57. I believe the more commonly accepted origin is that the Police force was disproportionally Irish

hence the wagon that came to pick up the rowdies was the "Paddie's" wagon. At least that's always been my understanding of the term.

[Gormy Cuss]

106. Either way, it's still an ethnic slur against the Irish-Americans.

There is no definitive origin on the slang term but Paddy + formations were common in slurs against the Irish ethnics. When they became the predominate ethnicity in some police forces they represented a new kind of threat. Calling them Paddys would put them in their place.

[bvar22]

60. The Irish ARE rowdy, uncouth drunks.

I know.
I AM one!
My Daddy too!
:patriot:

[GinaMaria]

89. How about using the word 'gypped' or 'jipped'

no one thinks of that as slur either.

[starroute]

58. Supposedly goes back to when the Dutch and British were at war

Farmer and Henley's "Slang and Its Analogues" says "Dutch. An epithet of inferiority. A witness, no doubt, to the long-standing hatred engendered by the bitter fight for the supremacy of the seas between England and Holland in the seventeenth century."

It then goes on to list any number of thoroughly offensive expressions -- for which I apologize in advance to anyone who still maintains three hundred year old grievances -- including such choice examples as:

To do a Dutch -- to desert.

To talk Dutch -- to talk nonsense. (Also, to speak Dutch fustian.)

Dutch-bargain -- an unfairly one-sided deal.

Dutch-courage -- drunken valor.

Dutch-feast -- a party where the host gets drunk before the guests.

I'm a Dutchman if I do -- more or less the same as "I'm damned if I do."

Dutch uncle -- derived from the Dutch reputation for harsh discipline.


So the Dutch were apparently known as both cowards and bullies, had a reputation for getting drunk and talking nonsense, and were seen as ready to cheat you in a deal.

All in all, I don't think there's a nation on earth that hasn't taken its turn at being someone else's scapegoat.

[Norrin Radd]

73. And...dutch oven.

[Brazenly Liberal]

65. When you're in dutch, you're in trouble

Someone is pissed off at you. Your ass is grass.

[Zavulon]

110. My first question as well. (NT)

[BrklynLiberal]

4. "Poor judgment"???? Custer's Last Stand was poor judgment.

What Grose did was pure, unadulterated racist stupidity.

[No Elephants]

82. I agree, but I'm guess there was some racism involved in Custer's Last Stand, too.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. "Didn't mean it to be offensive?"

I've had that talk with too many kindergarteners about not taking responsibility for their words.

[notadmblnd]

15. he just meant that he didn't think the people he sent it to would find it offensive

I tell ya, ya got to be more careful of who's on your distribution list when you send racist shit like that out.

[Fridays Child]

19. Did anyone ask him just exactly what he DID mean by it, then?

I'm sick of that stock excuse being trotted out by everyone in the public eye who gets caught doing or saying something detestable. I suppose Mel Gibson didn't mean to offend Jews and Michael Vick didn't intend to harm dogs.

What this asshole didn't intend was to be exposed. And that's really all he's sorry about, too.

[hvn_nbr_2]

54. Bingo!

Just once, when one of these a**holes has their "mea sorta-not-really culpa" press conference and says, "I didn't mean it to be offensive," I want to hear someone from the librul media ask, "Well, what did you mean then?"

[Judi Lynn]

107. His whole life would have passed before his eyes if someone would have only asked him that question.

The moment would have been priceless to capture in a photo op.

I really, REALLY wish a reporter had thought to do it.

[Judi Lynn]

7. Mayor sent e-mail with watermelons at White House

Mayor sent e-mail with watermelons at White House
The Associated Press
Posted: 02/24/2009 06:23:45 PM PST

LOS ALAMITOS, Calif.—The mayor of Los Alamitos is coming under fire for an e-mail he sent out that depicts the White House lawn planted with watermelons, under the title "No Easter egg hunt this year."

Local businesswoman and city volunteer Keyanus Price, who is black, said Tuesday she received the e-mail from Mayor Dean Grose's personal account on Sunday and wants a public apology.

"I have had plenty of my share of chicken and watermelon and all those kinds of jokes," Price told The Associated Press. "I honestly don't even understand where he was coming from, sending this to me. As a black person receiving something like this from the city-freakin'-mayor—come on."

The Orange County Register first reported the e-mail on its Web site Tuesday night.

Grose confirmed to the AP that he sent the e-mail to Price and said he didn't mean to offend her. He said he was unaware of the racial stereotype that black people like watermelons.

More:
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_11777282

http://www.ci.los-alamitos.ca.us.nyud.net:8090/city_council/images/deangrose.jpg

Mayor Dean Grose

[louis-t]

20. He looks repuglican to me.

These people can't help being ignorant. It comes with the political affiliation.

[Politicalboi]

23. He said he was unaware of the racial stereotype that black people like watermelons.

Even I knew as a kid what the connection was. Who is this asshole trying to kid.

[paulsby]

50. reminds me of the old steve martin routine

"your honor, i forgot that stealing was illegal" or something

[NMDemDist2]

68. I heard that too and thought "If you didn't know it was a racial stereotype, why is the joke funny?"

seriously, if you didn't know that "negroes liked watermelon" ( sarcasm here people, don't shoot me) then why would you think watermelons in front of the White House was a joke?

bullshit, pure bullshit

[chocolate ink]

27. Stupid lies

So his 'excuse' is that he didn't even know of the watermelon racial stereotype...really makes no sense because why then did he seem to think that this 'joke' was so funny? The specific point of this so called joke is based absolutely on the racial stereotype otherwise there is no context at all.

He just made himself sound even stupider with this explanation.

[Matariki]

47. "He said he was unaware of the racial stereotype...'

I'd *really* like to hear him publicly 'explain' what the 'joke' in his email was. Just for the fun of watching him trip all over his dumb, lying ass.

[No Elephants]

81. If he was unaware of the stereotype that African Americans like watermelon, what

did he think the cartoon even meant?

What do people let racists get away with mealy mouth like that?

[truebrit71]

8. "didn't intend it to be offensive."....yeah right...and Katrina was a little thunderstorm right?

..He knew EXACTLY what he was doing...and to to say otheriwse makes him a filthy fucking liar...nothing more

[Rabrrrrrr]

10. So to nail a mayor for using a racist analogy, the journalist uses one.

:eyes:

[Wickerman]

16. Ding Ding Ding

sometimes the stupid hurts, don't it?

[nichomachus]

17. Please learn the difference

between racism and an ethnic slur. They are not the same thing. By calling everything "racism," you blunt the force of the word. Like referring to every action you don't like as "rape." It really takes the force out of using the word appropriately.

[Rabrrrrrr]

29. Seems to be that being against a race or against an ethnicity is the same thing.

:shrug:

Unless you are upset about calling "racism" when it's applied to white folk?


In my book, racism is defined by such things as use of ethnic slurs. I mean, seriously, what else does it have to be? Violence?

:eyes:

[nichomachus]

34. You need a new book

Racism is saying that an entire race is inferior for some reason and that individuals of that race aren't qualified for certain things -- like working, voting, etc. -- just because of membership in that race

Ethnic slurs are part and parcel of life. Almost every ethnic group makes fun of other ethnic groups, even when they belong to the same race.

Even within countries, people from some areas slur people from other areas.

I'm not defending it, just saying it takes place.

Heck, even within some very distinct minorities they regularly slur other members of the same minority.

That's pretty far from racism.

This is the same reason I object when people talk about "bashing" unless it refers to actual physical violence, merely because it reduces the bad feeling we have when real bashing occurs. It's also why I don't like the use of the term "rape" when applied to cutting the school budget. Rape, like racism, is a terrible thing and using the word inappropriately reduces its impact when applied to the real thing.

[harmonicon]

37. this division of yours makes no sense

"race" isn't something that exists apart from as a cultural construct, which is also what "ethnicity" is.

[Rabrrrrrr]

46. I agree - your myopic and utterly random divisions make no sense

[Ms. Toad]

91. Although I agree about teh misuse of the word rape,

Emotional injuries can be just as damaging, if not more than physical ones, so I have no trouble with the word "bashing" being applied to deliberately attacking someone - whether the attack is physical or emotional. (Aside from which, verbal attacks are generally included in most dictionary definitions of bashing.)

[No Elephants]

84. Race and ethnicity are not the same thing.

[Rabrrrrrr]

93. Whatever. The point is, making fun of or deriding people is WRONG

whether it's for a physical deformity, or chance of birthplace, or chance of genetics.

It's not really that fucking difficult of an issue.

[No Elephants]

97. No one said deriding people for those things was right.

[Rabrrrrrr]

100. You did.

Perhaps you don't count, though?

I don't know.

[Name removed]

104. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[No Elephants]

83. Dutch is not a race! Nor were the Dutch victims in this country of slavery or Jim Crow laws. It's a

bit different.

[Rabrrrrrr]

92. Oh, okay. So the rules against racist/ethnic slurs is that it's only bad

if it's done against certain races/ethnicities?

That's fucking dumb.

The Jewish people were never victims of Jim Crow laws - does that mean I can use the phrase "Jewed him down!" to mean that I negotiated successfully in my favor? Gypsies were never under Jim Crow - so can I say I "gypped" someone?

Man, those Americans from the southern states sure are fucking dumb, aren't they? Yes, they are! And I can say that because they were never victims of slavery, and so we have carte blanche to insult them all we want.

Did you even read what you posted?

:eyes:

[No Elephants]

98. If you keep spinning that way, you'll get dizzy.

[Rabrrrrrr]

99. I'm not the one spinning. Perhaps if you answered the question,

I might have a better handle on what you mean.

[No Elephants]

103. Excuse me. You didn't spin. You simply twisted what I posted. As far as "questions." please.

You weren't really seeking to elicit info. You were taking a self-rightous dump. You want answers, ask real questions respectfully.

[Rabrrrrrr]

109. I didn't twist at all - you said that the only instance in which one can be "racist"

is if one is insulting someone who was a victim of slavery in the United Stated and/or a victim of the Jim Crow laws of the United States.

Of course, I disagree with your very and insanely narrow definition of what can constitute "racism".

I then, rather broadly, offered you an opportunity to explain yourself, in case I misinterpreted what you meant. You chose, instead, to insult me.

Which leads me to think that you have a certain viewpoint, which you are comfortable with, but that you recognize that it's foundation is somewhat ethically bankrupt, and so instead of actually addressing your viewpoint and offering whatever foundation for it you have, you decided to just call me a liar -

well, that just helps to confirm for me that you are merely spouting feel-good nonsense while simultaneously understanding that your standpoint is ethically and logically bankrupt.

And I give you credit - I give you great credit - for admitting that your stance is utterly devoid of defensibility. But I do challenge you to intellectually grow yourself to the point at which you relinquish any position which you know is indefensible in favor of that which is actually defensible.

You are halfway there - congratulations!!!!!! I love seeing people evolve themselves.

[tanyev]

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[Judi Lynn]

13. Oh, yeah! It figures, doesn't it? Thanks! n/t

[mikelgb]

28. ohh my congressman... hmm I wonder if he is gonna send that money back

[Bonhomme Richard]

21. How could a guy that ignorant get elected to anything other than....

Grand Dragon?
Unbelievable.

[madmom]

22. How could it not be offensive..jeez.

[HillbillyBob]

26. it was rude and in poor taste.

Then again I m thinkin we should all turn our lawns into garden patches..to illustrate we live in northern a tier county of North Carolina and we have turnips, mustard and collard greens planted in our front yard winter garden. Plus we have pomegranate trees started, soon we will have figs, almonds, in the front, We have 1/2 acre of blackberry vines on south side, on the north side will be herbs, cherries, peaches, walnuts, plums, in back we have a general run of the mill veggie summer garden plus kiwis, watermellons and it is all organic grown too. So no fertilizer runoff or pesticides into the creek that runs through our property.
learning how to do organic gardening is a little more trouble getting started as you are learning a new way, but it is cheaper in the long run, because you use plants to balance things out, some plants keep insect away from other plants, some draw hummingbirds and honey bees to polinate, some plants support the growth of others etc.
Besides you get to keep the fruit of your labor, you save $ and you do the environment a favor and you can swap stuff with neighobrs, share the work, get to know your neighbors and strengthen your community.
Lets hear it for Victory gardens or Lessons from the Depression. My grandparents said their gardens kept their families fed during the depression and lessened the rationing pain during WWII.
Besides why do we have to have all these 1/4 or 1/2 acre lawns that we waste fuel to mow and all those feed and seed products on? I know we are slightly lucky to have 2 acres of yard, well weeds when we moved in 2 years ago. We picked the place out because it did not have lawn so much as weed patch that could be turned into gardens.

[Theobald]

35. That's just racist

plain and simple.

[Cha]

44. I'm horrified at how someone

could be so stupid.

[BlueIdaho]

45. Poor judgement? No...

Racism... YES. Poor judgement is wearing brown shoes with a blue suit - this exposes his deeply held racist beliefs.

Judgement my ass...

[noiretextatique]

48. no malevolent intent here

:sarcasm:

[KamaAina]

49. I hear there's an opening for a cartoonist at the New York Post

:eyes:

[BreweryYardRat]

51. What an asshole.

[Brucie Kibbutz]

52. "...didn't intend for it to be offensive".

It not about what you intended, dickhead. It's about what you did. Don't be a coward. Own up to your actions you racist piece of shit.

[boobooday]

59. poor judgment which reflects poor character n/t

[nakanishi oshi]

61. Sadly, intolerant twits like this one still roam the earth

An apology is not enough. He should resign. We do not need racist mayors in our cities and counties.

[salguine]

62. I'll bet I can guess which Party he belongs to.

[classysassy]

69. Not enough

for the raciest bastard,those clowns screwup and all they have to say I am sorry,didn't mean to offend anyone,bull crap,the only reason you're sorry is you got caught.

[Chovexani]

72. And yet there are people on DU who would defend this kind of thing

If it were directed at a Republican.

[fascisthunter]

101. .

[No Elephants]

74. Apparently, "I did not intend it to be offensive" means, "I expected to get away with

racist shat." That's the jerk to candid English translation.

It's like, "Oh, I was only kidding. I didn't mean anything by it." In jerk to English, that translates to "I meant every word, but I don't want any of the consequences."

[Behind the Aegis]

77. Holy SHIT!

An article about racism using a bigoted expression?! WTF!?

I bet the author of the piece was writing this because Mayor Grose "gyped" him. See, it happened that the author was trying to buy a TV at a yardsale, then, after being "Jewed down" the good Mayor didn't even pay the 'negoiated' amount.

[No Elephants]

85. Do you love how the UPI story does not mention either the Party to which the MAYOR belongs OR the

word "racist?" I mean, if you didn't know the watermelon stereotype, you'd be hard pressed to know why Price was ticked off.

United Presss International is, well, an international press service.

Gee, I wonder where the sympathies of this UPI writer lie?

[No Elephants]

88. Grose also has a business address with contact info. Here it is:

http://www.eventmedical.com/linkcont.htm

10765 Noel Street, Los Alamitos, CA 90720-2547
[phone] FAX [phone]
(800) EMS-1182

Get Directions to Our Corporate Offices

E-Mail: [e-mail]

EMS Medical Products [phone]
Event Medical Services, Inc. (800) EMS-1180

On edit: the above is Grose's business according to http://orangejuiceblog.com/2009/02/los-als-republican-mayor-sends-out-racially-charged-email/

[No Elephants]

86. Guess what? Grose has an email address, as do the members of the

Los Alamitos City Council. According to this story--http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_11777282--the members of the five-seat City Council elect the Mayor.

From http://www.ci.los-alamitos.ca.us/city_council/city_home.htm

About The Council
3191 Katella Ave. Los Alamitos, CA 90720
Phone: [phone] FAX: [phone]



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The City Council is the legislative body of the City and is composed of five (5) members who serve at large and are elected by the registered voters of the City of Los Alamitos. General municipal elections are held in November of even years. City Council members serve staggered terms of four (4) years.

Annually, at the first regularly scheduled City Council meeting in December, the City Council shall elect a Member of the City Council to serve as Mayor. Immediately after the mayoral election, the newly elected Mayor shall conduct a City Council election to select a Mayor Pro Tempore. (Los Alamitos Municipal Code Chapter 2.04.100)



City Council Meetings

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The City Council holds regular meetings on the first and third Mondays of each month at 7:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers of City Hall, 3191 Katella Avenue, Los Alamitos. When the day for any regular meeting falls on a legal holiday, no meeting shall be held on the holiday, but a regular meeting shall be held at the same hour on the following business day. (Los Alamitos Municipal Code Chapter 2.04.010)

How to Contact the City Council

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Correspondence may be addressed as follows:

Mayor and Members of the City Council

City of Los Alamitos
3191 Katella Avenue
Los Alamitos, Ca 90720



To leave a telephone message, please call: [phone]

To send a facsimile: [phone]

To send a E-mail message, please see below.

City Council Members

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Terms expire in November of the year shown in parentheses.

Dean Grose

Mayor (2010)

[e-mail]




Marilynn Poe
Mayor Pro Tem (2012)

[e-mail]





Troy Edgar
City Council Member (2010)

[e-mail]


Gerri Graham-Mejia
City Council Member (2010)

[e-mail]













Ken Stephens
City Council Member (2012)

[e-mail]

[Bake]

94. "Didn't intend it to be offensive" MY BIG ASS!!!!!!!

What utter bullshit.

Bake

[fascisthunter]

102. what a dick head