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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:04 AM
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Australian anthropologist-soldier now drives US policy on war on terror
Source: The Times of India

Nobody is calling it the Kilcullen Canon or Aussie Doctrine yet. But the Obama’s administration’s move under its new upcoming Af-Pak policy to offer an olive branch to the ''reconciliable'' Taliban and lavish a financial bonanza on its patron Pakistan is evidently based on the Australian David Kilcullen’s acclaimed work on counter-insurgency and guerrilla warfare.

Kilcullen, who was a reservist Lt.Colonel in the Australian army till as recently as 2005, has been advising the US government and military since then on its strategies in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other trouble spots. He has worked as an advisor to the State Department and to Gen. David Petraeus, who executed the Iraq War troop surge in 2007 and thinks highly of him.

Based on Kilcullen’s doctoral work on counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism that distinguishes hard-core terrorists from ''accidental guerrillas,'' and tracts he has since developed based on his experience in Iraq, the Obama administration now believes that only military action will not resolve the Afghan situation. It needs to talk to the Taliban. In his work, Kilcullen emphasizes the importance of ''conflict ethnography,'' the need to understand the social and cultural drivers of conflict.

As a result, Washington is now moving towards understanding (and possibly accepting) Taliban and ensuring a limited goal of protecting America and its allies from further terrorist attacks...President Obama on Sunday provided the first hints of the new strategy in a CBS’ 60 Minutes interview in which he spoke of an ''exit strategy'' for the U.S even though Washington is inducting more troops into Afghanistan.

Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/US/Australian-anthropologist-soldier-now-drives-US-policy-on-war-on-terror/articleshow/4304532.cms



David Killkullen is the author of the successful strategy in the Anbar Awakening.



David Killcullen gives an interview in the Washington Post on Sunday in which he says:

Q: What is the real central front in the war on terror?

Pakistan. Hands down. No doubt.

Q: How much longer will the war last?

The intervention ends when the locals can handle it. Right now they can't. I think that within three to five years, we can say that the chance that the Iraqis will be able to hold their own against their internal threats is pretty high. So I'd say we have another three to five years of substantial engagement in Iraq. But one other factor here is external interference. What are the Iranians doing, what are the Saudis doing, what are the Jordanians and the Syrians doing? The Iraq part is not the problem, it's the regional security part that is the problem.

Q:What are the lessons of Iraq that most apply to Afghanistan?

I would say there are three. The first one is you've got to protect the population. Unless you make people feel safe, they won't be willing to engage in unarmed politics. The second lesson is, once you've made people safe, you've got to focus on getting the population on your side and making them self-defending. And then a third lesson is, you've got to make a long-term commitment.

Q: Obama has suggested that it might be possible to reach out to moderate elements of the Taliban, along the lines of the Anbar Awakening in Iraq. Would that work?

If the Taliban sees that we're negotiating for a stay of execution or to stave off defeat, that's going to harden their resolve. . . . I'm all for negotiating, but I think the chances of achieving a mass wave of people turning against the Taliban are somewhat lower in Afghanistan than they were in Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/19/AR2009031903038.html






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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:38 AM
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1. and lavish a financial bonanza on its patron Pakistan
Good thing there are no homeless vets, seniors needing prescriptions or
Hungry children in the USA
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:48 AM
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2. No doubt- yet here's something you might appreciate about the guy:
According to the Washington Independent, David Kilcullen bluntly called the decision to invade Iraq "stupid" -- in fact, he said "fucking stupid" -- and suggested that if policy-makers apply the manual's lessons, similar wars can be avoided in the future. "The biggest stupid idea," Kilcullen said, "was to invade Iraq in the first place." However, Kilcullen explained his comment the very next day this way:

Spencer Ackerman, in yesterday's Washington Independent, claims I told him the Iraq war was "f*cking stupid". He did not seek to clear that quote with me, and I would not have approved it if he had. If he HAD sought a formal comment, I would have told him what I have said publicly before: in my view, the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 was an extremely serious strategic error. But the task of the moment is not to cry over spilt milk....

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kilcullen
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:37 AM
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11. A little formula
Invasion was an extremely serious strategic error

is to


Invasion was fucking stupid

as

Potato

is to

Potato.


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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:42 AM
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14. But the second one is more accurate and direct.
:-)
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:49 AM
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3. I didn't like the sound of that either
Isn't our country running kind of low on cash right now?
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:01 AM
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8. ah, just print a little more of that green stuff.
sarcasm alert.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:41 AM
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13. A lot of economists are recommending the very same thing, but w/o any sarcasm.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:00 AM
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4. Kilcullen will appreciate that the key to the Taliban is Pashtun reunification
Look at this map - Afghanistan and Pakistan are just lines on the map drawn in the British Colonial office in the 19th Century that cut ethnic groups apart. Same thing with Iraq. What matters in that part of the world is ethnic cohesion and kinship groups. The US is still expending blood trying to maintain these artificial borders - stupid, fucking stupid.




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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:49 AM
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5. Agree. I once thought it was ignorance that caused foreign policy planners to minimize the Pashtun
tribes.

The Pashtun tribes are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan and some reports claim over 90% of the Taliban are Pashtun.

I've finally realized it's just plain old stupidity.

Another article with background material is "The Pashtun time bomb"

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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:49 AM
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16. He left off Greek/Macedonian...
;)
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 11:08 AM
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17. Absolutely. You might enjoy the visual Imperial History of the Middle East, link below.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 04:13 PM
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22. just fyi—Signe Wilkinson is a she. She's the editorial cartoonist for the Phila Daily News.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 08:50 AM
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6. It was a deliberate decision which enhanced British control - part of
their empire's divide and conquer strategy. Create a region with ethnic minority/majority divides - about a 30/70 split, then put all the power in the hands of the minority, to make them dependent upon the empire for their survival.

It seemed to work OK so long as there was a powerful British military backing the power structure, but upon relinquishing the colonies it REALLY fucked up the countries they left behind.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:04 AM
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9. Exactly. Obsolete maps lead to failed states.
What's the point in trying to keep the region together under artificial states? Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq don't work.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:00 AM
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7. This is the precise reason why there needs to be an
independent Pakhtoonistan, independent Balochistan and independent Sindhudesh.

Throwing more money at Pakistan is like feeding a cobra in the hopes it won't bite.

Pakistan created the terror apparatus to wake a proxy war against India. Osama and others have exploited this terror apparatus for their own agenda. There is no way out if we keep funding the very people who created the terror apparatus and are refusing to dismantle it.

There are dozens of terrorist training camps in Pakistan run by the ISI and Pakistani military. Not even one has been shut down despite world outrage.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:30 AM
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10. Wrong. This is why People need to realize there is only one human family!
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:39 AM
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12. Ok. You make the Taliban realize that !! n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 11:14 AM
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18. Easy. Do the math and
it is obvious. 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8, 16, 32, 64, .....

In about 1,000 years, 40 generations x 25, that's 1,099 trillion ancestors!!



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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:51 PM
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20. I'll invite you to celebrate my 1100th birthday party when that happens :) n/t
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:53 PM
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21. Every country has its' tribes & sub cultures
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 01:54 PM by steven johnson
Politics is local according to Tip O'Neill.

Claritas PRIZM clusters are US subcultures/neighborhoods used by the Nielsen Company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claritas_Prizm

It consists of 15 broad types and 62 types of PRIZM clusters.

https://www.nspycenter.com/data/NSPY_Data_Users_Guide/Appendices/Appendix_E.pdf.

America is less a melting pot than a cluster of tribes, just like every other country.




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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:48 AM
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15. Let's see. We financed and armed Osama Bin Ladin when we wanted
Afghanistan to resist Russia.

Then, we declared war on Afghanistan because they let Osama live there.

Now, we believe that Osama is either dead or hiding in Pakistan, but we are still fighting in Afghanistan.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 11:18 AM
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19. Kilcullen was one of the people in the first roundtable hearing in the SFRC
Here is a link to view it- http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/2009/hrg090205a.html (The description is wrong - this is a roundtable on Afghanistan.) This is a fascinating discussion once people got used to more informal format.

The scariest comment is from Kilcullen who said that Afghanistan could be like Vietnam under Diem.

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