G20 Protests - (Bankers wave money at protestors

[B Whale]

Source: Sky news

"City workers leaned out of windows and waved £10 notes at demonstrators on the streets below, who responded with jeers and shouts."



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One word. SCUM

[ShortnFiery]

1. Yeah, all that money keeps them warm at night but they can't take it with them.

And where they're going, the GREEDY won't need cash to keep them warm in the afterlife. :evilgrin:

[saigon68]

11. the protesters need to stuff a few Molotovs into those buildings

[ShareTheWoods]

13. Yeah, now there is a balanced retort

And then later in the new world order they can shoot jaywalkers on sight.

[saigon68]

23. you obviously have a better idea

[B Whale]

28. 'The Mob' has always had a

part in democracy, no matter how distasteful you find it, particularly in European countries.

In fact scrub that, the american revolution was a bit of a violent affair as well.

I'm not advocating violence, its just that people are often squeezed so tightly by the process and have absolutely no outlet for their anger, other than an old fashioned riot. It shakes things up a bit as well.

The poll tax riots of the late 80s contributed to bringing thatcher down.

[roguevalley]

32. if someone kicks a dog, you can't whine if you get bit.

[midnight]

2. I heard a british reporter say that these bankers are being

warned not to flaunt their wealth. Apparently these folks did not get the message.

[skooooo]

3. Is this for real??

If so, those "bankers" are taking their lives in their own hands. Why not just poor gasoline on a fire?

[ShareTheWoods]

14. Yes, because everyone knows that waving cash excuses murderers

More balanced reactions.

[Deja Q]

36. Nobody's condoning murder - not at all. To help put things in perspective:

Watch the sitcom "Chef!", the season 1 episode entitled "Beyond the Pass".

Gareth Blackstock for President!

[B Whale]

7. They simply don't get it.

They don't understand what they've done.

Banks must be nationalised now

[SwiperFox]

15. Beyond scum!

Oh they do get it. They got it and $till get it. Their arrogance has no bounds. They know they are above and protected by the law. They know who really rules the world behind the scenes. Trust me, they do get it.

[OhioChick]

8. That's really fucked up. n/t

[ChromeFoundry]

10. They must have a death wish. n/t

[TheWatcher]

26. It is becoming very difficult for me not to hope their wishes don't become granted.

I can say this, if something untoward happens to any of these idiots who are acting like this, I will not have the least bit of sympathy for them.

Perhaps once they understand that they are not Gods, and not safe from retribution for what they have wrought on humanity, they'll be a bit more wise to shut the fuck up.

These "Banksters" need to be in jail.

They need to pay for what they have done.

[B Whale]

30. Agreed. their arrogance is creating a

war like mentality amongst people. Us against them. It doesn't hekp when they are also laying bets on who many protesors will be killed (see other thread).

One protestor was killed so i hope they're fucking happy.

[chill_wind]

4. Protesters outside were shouting "jump" in response. I can't imagine why.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7976658.stm

[dipsydoodle]

5. Here's the origin

Loads of money :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXuRvthgn4U&feature=related

The sketches were derived from the warcry of a football clubs fans winding up the other team years ago.

[B Whale]

6. It goes beyond that. you're

right in mentioning the football club thing. Southern clubs used to do it to Northern Teams, but the main reference point, i would have thought is during the miners strike 84 - 85 when the MET police were waving money at the striking miners to signify the overtime money they were getting.

Its a class thing. Either way, they're scum.

Funny thing is the protestors categorically stated they meant no ill will to actual people (bankers) and i even marched alongside one in saturday's march, dressed in pin striped suit and copy of FT. he said he was there to prove that the stories whipped up that bankers would be attacked were nonsense.

That may change now.

What this shows to mw mainly is that they just don't get it, they simply don't get what they've done.

[zalinda]

9. Why would they?

When it seems all the governments are giving the bankers a pass. White collar criminals have always had it easy.

zalinda

[Cousin It]

20. No,,,

...not so much a class thing - it's a provocation thing. The demos, if the intent of some involved was to intimidate, were a damp squib today, and the bank staff felt sufficiently confident to act this way without any fear for their safety.

There's plenty of traders in those offices come from working class backgrounds, and plenty of demonstrators with rich mummies and daddies.

Burning effigies of bankers is provocative, and waving cash at anti banker/anti capitalist protestors is the same.

As far as I can see someone who is, say, trading the exchange markets may not be everybodies cup of tea - but neither are they linked to the credit crunch. It's lazy to tag all bank staff with the same brush, and a very comfy get out for our elected politicians and their staff.

If its accepted that banking is in essence gambling, and the City/Wall St is the casino then it begs the question where were our governments whose job it is to set the house rules ?

Isn't it the case that we all knew, and therefore so did our political masters, that people were being granted loans they clearly could not afford, that unchallenged lies about income became routine, that by these very actions an entirely artificial property bubble was being conjoured up and that packaged up bundles of loans were being sold as "A" grade, when only a minority percentage of the bundle was any such thing ?

Why is this so hard to regulate out of existence ?

[B Whale]

25. This is still a class thing. The people in the banks

have destroyed the lives of the working class.

They may have come from working class backgrounds themselves but its still; a class issue. They won't consider themselves working class now.

In addition the MET who cracked the skulls of miners in the 80s and waved money at them would have come from working class backgrounds, (as did Margeret Thatcher) however that was still a class issue.

Don't be fooled, in Britain its always about class, they've just made us forget it for the alst few years

[fbahrami]

37. It's always a class thing ... everywhere.

Agreed. Even when they say it's for religion or race, deep down "it's the economy, stupid."

[dipsydoodle]

22. Harry Enfield

really did base it on the football fans but yes I do recall what you mentioned about the miner's strike. I had friends in SOGAT who were up there supporting them at the time.

[fascisthunter]

12. the wealthy arrogant fascists have a death wish

[B Whale]

31. They were also laying bets on protestors being killed.

Its on another thread.

Spread betting across The City as to how many protestors would be arrested, injured and killed. One did die so i hope those who won money on that spends it wisely

[Wednesdays]

16. K&R

:kick:

[readmoreoften]

17. But don't break windows! That's "anti-social".

:crazy:

[AlphaCentauri]

18. were they saying this is your tax money?

:argh:

[inna]

19. different interpretation here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5373895

[Odin2005]

21. They like being provacative assholes, eh? FUCK THEM!

[B Whale]

24. Bankers were also taking bets on protestor deaths and arrests

so one of them is now better off because a protestor died. Scum

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/02/bankers-betting-protesters-g20

[paraguay]

27. The Bankers

I believe that we must concede that what the bankers did was wrong but the protestors are attacking the very people who we need to help sort out this problem. Curently we have a banking sytstem which has created the wealth that our country stands upon, we could never have dreamed of the wealth that the United Kingdom has at the moment without the banking in hte city of london. As for calling these bankers facists or scum I would say one thing, it is short sighted enough to truly believe that a banker is facist as the role that they carry out would not be tolerated in a truly facist society.

[B Whale]

29. I wouldn't say fascist, just immoral. And your point about

creating wealth is a lie created by them themselves. They are not wealth creators they are thieves.

They only contribute to less that 8% of UK GDP, in addition that 8% could have been contributed without all the daylight robbery by a moral or state owned banking system.

They have robbed the economy, peoples pensions and jobs. The money they have made for themselves has been squirreled off shore (more theft).

In addition (see it on another thread), they were laying bets on how many protestors would be killed. One was killed so i hope the lovely banker who did win money spends it wisely. Another sign saw them say, 'while you're protesting in the street we're repossessing your homes'

And your other point about people attacking bankers is nonsense. No bankers were attacked and the protestors specifically said they wouldn't

[paraguay]

35. Generalisations

You have made a huge assumption from journalism and leftist spin.A few bankers make bets and signs and they get generalised to 'scum', this is generalisation from the particular. If we take this literally the protestors assaulted police officers and caused damage to banks so therefore they are criminals so on your logic all of the protestors are 'criminals'.

As for 8% this is a short sited estimate as you have forgotten that the majority of their salaries are spent in the UK and therefore a more conservative estimation they contribute 16- 25% as an industry due to the amount of industries that rely upon them a simple example being cleaners.Money going abroad is a thing of the yester year and you are ignoring taxation reforms of 1998,2001 and 2004 which were all under a centre left labour government so you should be satisfied.

A state owned banking system would never have made the same contribution to wealth, soveriegn wealth funds maybe but we are not allowed those due to the Blairite years, a common theme another centre left politician. State owned anything has gone wrong Gordon Brown spent away the profits of old, put it this way I am glad I did not have to bank with him. Further more state owned banks for the long term are inherently against democracy which we are living in (although you may argue it is a sham).

As for the concept of being able to rob the economy this is a ludricous standpoint for an argument formulated upon leftist ideas. Economic Determinist you should be and therfore the economy always is right and unfoolable. These banks are part of the 'economy' do not portray them as a separate entity which they are not!

As for the man who died he died of natrual cause (rest his soul)although it must be conceded that betting was wrong but again this is generalisation from the particular.

As for gambit on bankers being attacked this I do not mean literally I mean as in the sense that their way of life and livelyhoods are being attacked and their moral status degraded by people targetting their aggression at a social phenomenon'greed' which is a result of every member of the UK

[Nihil]

38. Hah! Blair "another centre left politician"?!

"taxation reforms of 1998,2001 and 2004 which were all under a
centre left labour government"

Between the obvious crap content and your manner of presenting it,
I think we've got your number sunshine ...
:eyes:

[paraguay]

39. Good

I will take that you are conceeding all points except for Blair being centre left which is just the clouded view of a leftist.

[Nihil]

42. Thus proving that you can neither read nor think for yourself.

Mind you, that's par for the course for a right-wing supporter
of bankers ...
:hi:

[B Whale]

41. You suggested i called bankers fascist. I didn't. That's silly

That's silly. I take your point about generalisations however. Not all bankers are immoral or scum (however i didn't say that anywhere) but i believe the banking system and culture is immoral and i also believe (having worked in a sector servicing banking) that many bankers are fully 'bought in' (to use one of their phrases) to that culture and are therefore immoral themselves. as a banker yourself (not sure but you sound like one) you probably won't agree, but i think that bankers and the financiers simply don't get it yet. The short lived party of greed and excess is over. So lets have a discussion again next year about how we move forward once you've accepted this.

"As for 8% this is a short sited estimate as you have forgotten that the majority of their salaries are spent in the UK and therefore a more conservative estimation they contribute 16- 25% as an industry due to the amount of industries that rely upon them"

Not to be too cheeky, but now i know you are definitley a banker. Simple mathematics. How can an industry that is 8% of GDP suddenly become 16% - 25% of GDP when counting salaries spent etc. What about manufacturing? the Car industry? Lets say that manufacturing (for example) contributes 20% of GDP, by your argument that should be more like 40% say because of reliant industries etc. Hotel and catering 10%, so lets say factoring in other industries (cleaning for example) it comes to 15%. We've now only got 20% of total GDP left???? from the 3 i've just mentioned. You can only go to 100% of GDP in the real world. But anyway...

"Money going abroad is a thing of the yester year" Nonsense it runs into trillions. If you don't believe me research it. Toynbee recently released some data in her book relating to this. A quick example of immorality of banking (since you mentioned cleaners) remember the protests outside GS because their cleaners were paying more taxes than their executives as they were avoiding paying it and hiding it offshore. Banking in a microcosm.


"A state owned banking system would never have made the same contribution to wealth" - You're not living in the real world where the rest of us are based. The banking system you know is a very recent phenomenon. Banking hasn't created wealth. Look around you. Money, numbers and nonsensical financial instrumenst were created out of thin air. You thought you were all being clever, you weren't, it was all worthless. This has been a short lived era where banking became a product in itself, it will now go back to what it always was, steward of the economy, oiling the wheels of businesses and people that actually produce things for the world and create real wealth. (next you'll be using the phrase 'trickle down')

"Further more state owned banks for the long term are inherently against democracy which we are living in" - No, that is the view of the extreme free market dogma that has been dominant for the last 30 years. It is against free market capitalism. Democracy and capitalism are not the same thing and you need to understand that, because the (short) market fundamentalist era is over. State owned banks, accountable to the public rather than being accountable to the bottom line profits, are more democractic. Everyone understands this except bankers and far right economic thinking.

"As for the concept of being able to rob the economy this is a ludricous standpoint for an argument formulated upon leftist ideas. Economic Determinist you should be and therfore the economy always is right and unfoolable. These banks are part of the 'economy' do not portray them as a separate entity which they are not!" - They are a seperate entity because they have produced nothing, hidden their (imaginary) profits off shore, avoided tax and brought the world to a standstill.

"Economic determinist you should be" Again you really need to get back in the real world. We have lived through a short burst of extremist free market capitalism. That is over, as are your university definitions and outdated insults of opponents.

"As for the man who died he died of natrual cause (rest his soul)although it must be conceded that betting was wrong but again this is generalisation from the particular." - You have believed the (bizarrely swift) police statements about this. Always questions always question, always question, it eventually leads to the truth. Google it from the Sunday Observerthis is what you'll find. The IPPC have taken witness statements from members of the public (including a press photographer) which state he was attacked by police with shields and batons a few minutes before he collapsed. There are also pictures of him lying on the floor with his arms up to the police. He is helped to his feet by a bystander (not the police as they claim, and a few yards away collapses and dies.) Its there in black and white.

As for betting, you know as well as i do the whole banking system is a casino. I'm not saying every banker betted on protestors dying, what i am saying is this is where the dominant ideology of today has led us to. An immoral, valueless crass system that the British public are disgusted with.

You need to get used to that because your world view is on the wrong side of history.

[sarcasmo]

33. Time to bust out the artillery.

[4_TN_TITANS]

34. Just how do these bankers plan on getting home?

idiots.

[paparush]

40. All the money that you made will never buy back your soul - Bob Dylan "Masters of War"

[CJCRANE]

43. Only £10 notes? Where are the £50s? Must be the recession. nt