UK 'least wanted' list published

[T_i_B]

Source: BBC

The names of some of the people barred from entering the UK for fostering extremism or hatred have been published for the first time.

Islamic extremists, white supremacists and a US radio host are among the 16 of 22 excluded in the five months to March to have been named by the Home Office. Since 2005, the UK has been able to ban people who promote hatred, terrorist violence or serious criminal activity.

On the list of those banned between October and March are Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal and Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky. Also excluded are two leaders of a violent Russian skinhead gang, ex-Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard Stephen 'Don' Black and neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe.

Fred Waldron Phelps Snr, a 79-year-old American Baptist pastor, and his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper are barred for their anti-gay comments. Talk show host Michael Savage - real name Michael Weiner - is also excluded. His views on immigration, Islam, rape and autism have caused great offence in America.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8033060.stm

[depakid]

1. Michael Alan Weiner- banned in Britain!

The authorites ought to add the rest of the hate radio crowd. They aren't any better.

[alfredo]

33. Is it pronounced Weener or whinner?

[zbdent]

2. damn ... I was hoping that a bunch of them would decide to go to Europe to spread their

hatred ... and Europe would reject them ... and we'd refuse to let them back in ...

[Bluenorthwest]

3. Phelps and Weiner!

Thanks to the UK for showing common sense!

[pattmarty]

4. It would be nice when the "new" list is published to see; Rumsfield,

Bush, Cheney, Gonzales and Rice.



(I can always hope)

[tocqueville]

6. that's the future "wanted" list for war crimes

there is no international warrant on Savage, Phelps etc.... and there won't be unless they kill somebody someday

[pattmarty]

7. I think we both know "they" won't themselves kill somebody, but..............

................I'd be willing to bet that people may have died because of the shit that comes out of their mouths.

[Festivito]

5. I was told that Phelps is a "LIBERAL". I about keeled over.

That must be the soldier funeral picketing Westboro Baptist Church Fred Phelps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

Several Cons let me know that this ultra conservative dirtbag is a liberal and were surprised at my surprise.

[pattmarty]

8. My advice to you is to stay clear of the people that told you that............

.........they really have to be dangerous.

[Festivito]

14. Ubiquity makes them a danger, not their selves.

Wanted to add that he is listed as a Democrat. I must say that I don't know why he lists himself as such.

Could even be a furthering of his sick joke of a stance.

[MARALE]

18. that says he ran for office

in the wiki link you put out, he ran in primaries 5 times as a democrat. This was a while ago, and in Kansas. It also said that he supported Al Gore as well as Saddam Hussein. I don't like it but there it is.

[14thColony]

16. Probably a reference to his early civil rights work in Kansas

He was apparently quite the civil rights crusader in the 1960s and 1970s, and ran for office several times as a Democrat.

Then he went bat-shit stark raving crazy.

[Critters2]

36. I seriously do think he went crazy.

Did some pretty impressive legal work at one time, though his religious views always skewed to the right. I suspect he suffers from some serious mental illness, that has gradually gotten worse. There's just too much of a change from his apparently once considerable legal skills to the raving hate-monger he is now.

At one level, it's just very sad.

[No Elephants]

28. Did those folk happen to be wearing either brown shirts or white hoods?

[JVS]

35. I have seen theories put forth that what he is doing is an extremely elaborate act.

Kind of like a much more dark version of Colbert.

[Festivito]

37. Yes, it came with that as a momentary allusion.

Leaving me with anti-conspiratorialists conspiratorializing.

[Scurrilous]

9. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Milspec]

10. K & R

[MicaelS]

11. Well at least they have two of the Phelps "clan"

On their list. That's something to be proud of.

[pattmarty]

13. You said "clan", heh, heh........

:sarcasm:

[MicaelS]

15. Subtlety does have it place, doncha know? n/t

[pleah]

12. K&R

[Vidar]

17. Good to see Savage & Phelps on the list.

[laureloak]

19. Michael Savage: Banned in Britain

Source: LA Times

"Britain has just two words for controversial California radio talk-show host Michael Savage:

Keep out.

The San Francisco-based Savage, known for his fiery right-wing views, is one of 22 people who have been banned from entering Britain since October, after the government here concluded that they were agents of extremism and intolerance.

Officials today publicly identified most of the 22 individuals on the blacklist, in keeping with the national penchant for "naming and shaming" anyone guilty of a crime, a gross injustice or an outbreak of really bad manners.

Among those for whom Britain has rolled out the unwelcome mat are radical Islamist preachers, a Jewish extremist, a pair of Russian gangsters and at least five Americans: Savage, who has attacked the Koran as a "book of hate"; two white supremacist leaders; and a father-daughter team that travels up and down the U.S. vilifying gay people, sometimes with placards using an epithet for gays and proclaiming that God hates homosexuals. Jacqui Smith, Britain's home secretary, said she made the decision to publish 16 of the 22 names because potential visitors ought to be aware of what British society considered acceptable behavior. Six of the barred individuals were kept anonymous, most likely for intelligence reasons.


"It's important that people understand the sorts of values and sorts of standards that we have here, the fact that it's a privilege to come and the sort of things that mean you won't be welcome in this country," Smith told a television interviewer."




Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-britain-list6-2009may06,0,5748988.story

[Puzzler]

20. Get this wording from the LA Times...

... "in keeping with the national penchant for "naming and shaming" anyone guilty of a crime, a gross injustice or an outbreak of really bad manners"

Nonsense! It's for hate speech... and inciting hatred and possible violence against certain groups (often minorities) though hate speech.

[No Elephants]

30. I have no idea what happened to the LA Times. It seems to get more conservative every day.

[dipsydoodle]

21. Just for a change

I agree with Smith.

[Eric J in MN]

22. I don't support governments punishing people for what they said...

...even when it's a country they're not citizens of.

[Lucky Luciano]

24. It is not a punishment. Nobody is entitled to go to a foreign country.

Much like a driver's license, it is a privilege that is revocable. Outside of that there is no fine or jail time.

[Eric J in MN]

26. If the government says they won't let you have a driver's license because of...

...political statements you made, then you're not being punished since a driver's license is a privilege?

[No Elephants]

31. Withholding a privilege that is given to almost everyone else on the planet sure seems like a

punishment. Actually, though, it is a punishment not only for hate speech, but for engaging in hate speech while famous. My dumbass cousin says nasty things about Jews all the time and has no trouble getting into UK because no one, including me, give a rat's whisker what she says about anything.

[Lucky Luciano]

32. Well, it is not that easy to go to the UK if you are not from a first world

country, so it is certainly not something that almost anyone on the planet can do. If you are not a citizen then I just cannot see how anyone could tell a country that they must be admitted. :shrug:

[dipsydoodle]

25. Maybe it just depends or what they said

and the likelyhood of them repeating it here in the UK where we've got absolutely clear laws against spreading hatred.

I'm sure that none of them would've come over just to paddle in the sea at Brighton while eating an ice cream cornet.

It's far simpler to block such people than deport the fuckers once they're here.

[Eric J in MN]

27. I don't agree with laws against "spreading hatred," either.

I believe in free speech.

[Puzzler]

34. I believe in free speech too...

... but many countries, such as the UK and Canada, make the distinction between free speech and the deliberate inciting of hatred and violence towards another group. It's not just saying that you don't like another group that's not allowed, rather it's the repeated pattern of inciting hatred and violence towards another group that's illegal.

[Eric J in MN]

38. "Inciting hatred' is part of free speech.

"Inciting violence" is illegal and should be, but Michael Savage didn't do that.

[smirkymonkey]

39. So shouldn't Rush Limbaugh be on that list?

Along w/ Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and numerous others? IMO, they go beyond inciting hatred. Actually, I don't understand why half of the Republican party isn't banned from enterting the UK.

[LeftishBrit]

29. Any country has the right to allow or not allow people in...

It's not a punishment. I can understand objecting to national borders at all; but as long as we have them (and that will be for a long time yet!), they entitle a country to deny entry to whoever it pleases.

[truebrit71]

23. No, I think the two words are "fuck off"...or "bugger off" or "sod off"...

...any variation therof will work...

[47of74]

40. Kind of surprised David Duke wasn't on that list

But then maybe he was one of the six unnamed ones.