Terror plotter David Williams did it for me, says sick brother Lord McWilliams

[BlueJessamine]

Source: NY Daily News

"My insurance wasn't good enough," said Lord McWilliams, 20, who has a deadly liver disease.

His brother, David Williams, wanted money "to speed up the process," McWilliams said. "Medicaid only goes so far."

He dismissed as "crazy" federal accusations that Williams was a Jew-hater who wanted to wage jihad.

McWilliams said the FBI informant who lured his brother and three other hapless petty criminals into a plot to blow up synagogues and shoot down a plane promised enough money to take care of his transplant.

"My brother told me, 'Don't worry, when you go to the doctor, tell them you got money,'" McWilliams said.

McWilliams, who has already had his spleen removed, said his brother told him he would have $20,000 for the operation.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/05/25/2009-05-25_terror_plotter_did_it_for_me_brother.html

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The F.B.I. informant even promised to take the sick brother-Lord McWilliams to Universal Studios when he was well again.

Homegrown terrorist or desperate men? The FBI says that David Williams is the most dangerous of the four. Sounds more like a man desperate to save his brother's life.

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Family and friends say the four were down-on-their luck ex-cons who apparently thought they would be paid by the FBI informant.

In dozens of interviews around Newburgh, no one can remember hearing any of the four talk of Jews or jihad.

The informant, Shahed Hussain, is a Pakistani immigrant who went undercover for the feds seven years ago to avoid deportation after being convicted of fraud. He was not authorized to pay anyone.


Also: NYPD, FBI heroes honored after foiling terror plot to bomb Riverdale synagogues

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/05/22/2009-05-22_nypd_fbi_heros_honored_after_foiling_terror_plot_to_bomb_.html

"Even though cops called Cromitie the ringleader, Snyder singled out David Williams as the meanest of the bad-news bunch, saying he bragged he'd shoot anyone who tried to stop him."

[No Elephants]

1. Anyone who makes up his or her mind on this from media reports is off the mark. Rec.

[mallard]

7. Re: and the press backs up ...

... for the damage control blitz, which must have involved a full-scale Chinese fire drill somewhere in Upstate.

The brother probably won't be getting charged with anything ... too too bad, now ... after all.

Sanitizer squad from Manhattan. no doubt. Albany's had it with these jokers. You can count on it.

[annabanana]

2. The story just gets worse and worse. . . n/t

[Downwinder]

3. Good background on the informant on Orange County Weekly

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/gimme-that-oc-religion/how-do-you-stop-terrorists-ask/


" He then explained that the FBI wanted him to work as a mole because of his "manipulation skills."

[UpInArms]

5. more from your link

Monteilh then proceeded not to describe how he uncovered terrorism plots in OC. I say not describe, because that's exactly what he did. The more he babbled on about how "if the informant is skilled enough you can actually draw certain elements of jihadist to yourself" the more confused Suits seemed.

Perhaps finally realizing his guest either wasn't interested in or wasn't capable of providing a gripping account of how he prevented terrorist attacks, Suits cut the chat short and asked Monteilh if the FBI might be hoping to avoid going to court with evidence he collected, "because if someone like you goes to trial, they will question your credibility." Always ready with a pithy acknowledgment of his lack of credibility, Monteilh responded thusly. "Credibility will not really be an issue," he said.

[suffragette]

13. That article is about a different informant

However, it does make a good point about the way the FBI is conducting these investigations and the type of informant they are recruiting:

Despite Snyder's statement, nothing about this plot provides any evidence of Al Qaeda plotting terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Instead, it provides yet more proof that the FBI is actively engaged in infiltrating mosques with informants with questionable credibility, informants like Monteilh, for example, who claims he uncovered a massive terrorist plot, of which the only evidence is a tape recording Monteilh made of a Afghan immigrant praising Osama bin Laden.

[Downwinder]

15. I stand corrected.

Blame it on the multiple lesions in both hemispheres.

[instantkarma]

4. 5/20 terror plot foiled, 5/21 obama/cheney national security speeches

Enough said?

[waiting for hope]

36. Everything happens for a reason ...

Makes you wonder who really is in charge.

[AllyCat]

6. Oh. My. God.

What a crazy, twisted story this has become.

[aquart]

17. Oddly like all the other "foiled plots" here at home.

Meanwhile some ass plants a yearly ied in NYC which blew out windows in a Starbucks yesterday and we have no clue who this jerk is.

[Amonester]

8. K & R #5

There is no low these agent provocateur would not go to justify their misuse of taxpayers money. :grr:

[Amonester]

12. + 1

+ send @ http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

[bitchkitty]

9. This whole thing stinks worse than Osama's corpse. n/t

[hollowdweller]

10. These sort of scenarios have been common in the war on drugs for years.

I remember a few years ago around here the drug unit recruited some people and sold them like 30 lbs of weed. The people were sort of losers and didn't even have the money to buy it they fronted it to them. Then they busted them for conspiracy to distribute 30 lbs and it was all over the news like some big bust.

They could have more easily sold them a couple pounds and saved the taxpayers some money on incarceration expenses. A LOT of these terrorist cases I've read about sound a bit to much like these sort of "sting" operations where agents actually create a crime, then bust them for it.

[creeksneakers2]

14. I talked to a guy who got busted

by a pair of informants who went to a party. At the party, the one guy goes around telling people he needs to sell a pound of meth. I don't remember the cost bust let's say $10,000. The other informant goes around the party saying he needs to buy a pound of meth and will pay $15,000. When some nobody would bite, they'd charge him with conspiracy and being a drug kingpin. There never even was any meth. But the arrest would look great on the law enforcement agency's drug kingpin nabbing statistics.

[AlphaCentauri]

11. We'll pay you to hate?

Now we have the FBI looking for idiots and on the other side compassionate criminals, what a story

[Botany]

16. So let me get this straight the FBI promised them weapons and payment for ..

.... the attack and the real motive behind the plan was to raise money so one of the plotters
brother could pay for a liver transplant to save his life?

Can you say entrapment?

[surfinshell]

20. wow it would be nice if

law enforcement opperated with ethics. Sounds like this guy was desperate for help for his brother. People in that mental state can't make sound decisions. They were lied to simply to make a bust. But I guess gov. law enforcement believes in the "two wrongs make a right" theory.

[EFerrari]

18. Souless bastards.

[glitch]

19. "War on Terror" smacks broadsided into the desperate need for Healthcare Reform.

The apex of irony, yet another blatant display of our pathological priorities.

[Cronopio]

21. "Homegrown terrorist or desperate men?" Both.

Desperation makes many people - in law enforcement and in the general public - mercenaries, which inevitably leads to terrorism.

Suicide bombers are most often recruited from the poor.

By officially lying about who the terrorists are, the F.B.I. has become a terrorist organization.

[dem mba]

31. this is a myth

suicide bombers are recruited from the poor and well to do alike. it doesn't seem to matter much. the fact that people blow themselves up has more to do with religious ideology than socio-economic reasons. turns out many suicide bombers have college degrees...

http://www.nber.org/digest/sep02/w9074.html

http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/terrorism2.pdf

[DerekJ]

35. It is not a myth.

The paper you linked to takes Hezbollah as an example of terrorist organization. That in it self is a huge flaw. Just because the U.S. declared Hezbollah as a terrorist group, doesn't mean they are.

[dem mba]

45. we're talking about suicide bombers, right?

and Hezbollah has used them, right? who cares if they're technically a terrorist organization or not. call Hezbollah a peace organization if it makes you feel better. regardless of their terrorist status, they have used suicide bombing as a deliberate tactic to kill innocent people. do you want me to post the links to these events? I hope not, because there are a lot of them.

so I don't get your issue. look believe whatever you want, all I'm saying is that studies have been done and they show no casual relation between education/economic status and one's willingness to be a martyr.

[Raksha]

22. This story is a gift from God!

There is NO better argument for national health care we could have. NONE!!!

[MadMaddie]

23. This is what happens when you destroy real CIA and FBI

networks by outing agents. Over the last 8 years due to neglect and petty politics the US has lost the advantage of having networks that took years to build. This is what these agencies have been reduced to.

Chalk another Epic - Fail for the * administration and it's non-governing.

[bottomtheweaver]

28. I really think this IS the real FBI and CIA.

They've always been propaganda operations set up to carry out and cover up all kinds of nefarious government dealings, most of it illegal and some of it completely unspeakable. This is nothing.

[McCamy Taylor]

24. This is a class war, with the haves targetting the have nots.

[Raksha]

37. True, and there is probably an over-all plan to build a police state

by making poor minority neighborhoods look like breeding grounds for terrorism, as well as gangs and drugs. The whole idea is to maximize the perceived threat from the underclass to create an excuse for cracking down on them.

It's parallel to the kind of entrapment involved in criminalizing dissent, as evidenced by the staged "terrorism" and mass arrests at the RNC in September. There is probably no direct link since peaceful protestors generally come from a higher social class--college students and graduates, for example. So the FBI probably doesn't use the same infiltrators for both groups. I wouldn't be at all surprised if those infiltrators report to the same supervisors, though.

[annm4peace]

25. these men need a support structure and people at their hearings !

I hope they have some people in the area helping to organize calls and letters to the editors, and a fundraisers.

It takes a lot of public awareness and public pressure to combat the FBI spin.

[annm4peace]

26. have to connect another FBI informant story

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5714713&mesg_id=5715513







I'm sure this isn't helping the brother dying from liver disease.

[annm4peace]

27. hope this story helps the case of the 4 in NY

http://rnc08report.org/archive/987.shtml

After informant Brandon Darby's divisive, shadowy role in post-Katrina relief work was revealed during the McKay trial, the FBI has pushed back with media spin of its own to push a narrative of the AK-47-toting<13> Darby as an 'alarmed activist' rushing to volunteer to defend 'public safety'. NPR's "This American Life" is slated to run a story on Darby—called "Turncoat"—this Saturday and Sunday. We will see if public radio gets in line with other media outlets, to sell Darby's story while overlooking the nationwide informant program and the threat it represents to political and philosophical freedom.

Sadly, the railroading of David McKay and Bradley Crowder represents just one more chapter to be added to the ongoing history book telling of dubious government tactics used to discredit dissent. CRASS, the Community RNC Arrestee Support Structure<14>, and its community allies, will continue to expose the government's spin agenda against all RNC defendants, and support lawsuits seeking justice in the aftermath of the mass abuse of Constitutional rights at the Republican National Convention.

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Educate yourself and watch this very telling and disturbing of what is was like just before and during the RNC in the twin cities. Several independent film makers put together footage from videos, and pictures during the RNC and added in great interviews. It should be played around the country.

http://www.terrorizingdissent.org / it is free to watch and you can down load from the computer.

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Help the spread the word and support the 2 young adults entrapped by FBI.
http://www.freethetexas2.com/

[Raksha]

34. Thanks - I made the same connection you did.

There does seem to be a pattern emerging.

[IndianaGreen]

29. FBI Direktor Mueller is a Bush holdover

The FBI has been in a funk ever since the days of William Webster. On a side note, it was Clinton who appointed the Opus Dei Louis Freeh as FBI Director.

During the Vietnam War, the FBI was among several police agencies that used agent provocateurs to incite people into lawbreaking that could be subsequently exploited politically against the peace movement.

I wonder if this is the case in here.

[Hissyspit]

30. Holiday news dump.

How useful of all of this to be revealed over a three-day holiday weekend...

[Douglas Carpenter]

32. KICK AND RECOMMEND!!!

[Douglas Carpenter]

39. /

[LiberalLovinLug]

33. Doesn't matter how ridiculous it looks

Cheney and FAUX News and the rest of the MSM will continue to refer to the case as the real deal and a big confirmation of the Patriot Act and the War on Terror powers. Sure on DU we can read up on how bogus it all was, but do you think our corporate media executives will order their talking heads to relay these truths on to the mass population? No f'n way. You will see right wing pundits on CNN going on and on about this case as proof how dangerous al Qaeda is and use it to decry releasing Gitmo prisoners into American ones etc..and what will Wolf Blitzer et all do? Stop them in their tracks and throw these laughable details in their faces? No, they will sit in dumb silence and nod their heads.

[Douglas Carpenter]

38. another story that MUST GO VIRAL!!! PLEASE KICK AND RECOMMEND!!!

and pass this story along

PLEASE KICK AND RECOMMEND!!!!

[justinaforjustice]

40. Fight Terrorism -- Pass Universal Health Care

Wow, the FBI lures a poor guy into a terrorist plot by promising to give his brother a needed liver transplant. This illustrates how horrendously expensive health care is in the U.S.; even with medicare insurance, the guy could not afford to pay for a needed liver.


This entire "terrorist" incident was designed, supplied and carried out pursuant to bribes and instructions from the FBI. And this is not the first time the FBI has fomented such an incident. The four guys arrested in this scenario were effectively hired by the FBI to play their roles in this docudrama. On their own, they would not have even conceived of the plan, let alone had the money and means to carry it out.

Guess our Federal Bureau of Investigation should be re-named "Federal Bureau of Instigation". How many real crimes were ignored while the FBI instigated this one?

[pinto]

41. Kick

:kick:

[pinto]

42. Kick

:kick:

[depakid]

43. Wow- to hear it told that way, it looks like a Kohlberg dilemma: Should Heinz steal the drug?

[The Backlash Cometh]

44. It's amazing how many people convince themselves that it's okay

to cross the line because of some personal or family misfortune.

[Robb]

46. The old "stealing bread to feed your family" question

Frankly it's amazing to me there are people who wouldn't. :shrug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. If it's come to that point, then it's time to set in better regulations to protect the public.

Because, communities are being destroyed as people take over positions of leaderships, just for the chance of getting them something they think they deserve.

Two people to look out for: the needy and the greedy. The greedy create the needy.

And, yes, there are people who would find a better way. Some actually use religion, for all the right reasons.

[BlueJessamine]

48. Timeline: Inside the terror plot

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/05/21/2009-05-21_inside_the_terror_plot_to_bomb_two_jewish_temples_in_the_bronx_and_shoot_down_a_.html


Plans began nearly a year ago to blow up two Jewish temples in the Bronx and explode military planes from Stewart Airport in Newburgh, according to federal authorities.

Here's a timeline of what happened - and how the NYPD and FBI say they foiled the plot.

JUNE 2008: James Cromitie tells an informant that he is upset by military action against Muslims in Pakistan and Afghanistan, where his parents live. He says his is interested in doing "something to America."

OCTOBER 2008: Cromitie and the other defendants begin meeting at a house in Newburgh outfitted with video and audio surveillance equipment. According to the informant, the men discuss attacking military aircraft and a synagogue in the Bronx, and Cromitie asked the informant to supply surface-to-air missiles and explosives. The informant agrees.

NOVEMBER 2008: On way to the Muslim Alliance of North America in Philadelphia, Cromitie and the informant discuss potential targets in New York. Cromitie says that "the best target \ was hit already" and "I would like to get \ a synagogue."

DECEMBER 2008: The informant and defendants continue having secretly taped conversations about the plot at the Newburgh home.

APRIL 10: The defendants pinpoint their targets - a synagogue and community center in the Bronx. Cromitie says the community center would be a "piece of cake." While photographing the center with a digital camera purchased at Walmart, Cromitie allegedly points to people on the street and says he'd shoot each in the head if he had a gun.

APRIL 24: The suspects pick out a spot for launching missiles and began photographing military aircraft in Newburgh.

MAY 1: The defendants purchase cell phones to use during the plot.

MAY 6: Cromitie, David Williams and Laguerre Payen travel with the informant to a warehouse in Connecticut to obtain what they believe is the missile system and three IEDs. While the informant claimed the materials were from the terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammed, the inert weapons were actually provided by the FBI.

MAY 8: The suspects remove the weapons from a storage facility and bring them to the Newburgh home.

MAY 20: The four defendants are arrested by authorities.

A comment @ NY Daily News:

This entire investigation is an illusion. It appears that the bulk of their conspiracy was done at the prompting of a confidential informant for the FBI, and that they had no connections to any international terrorist ties, nor anyone else for that matter. Among the so-called terrorists there is a crack addict, a schizophrenic, and a purse thief. They had neither the sophistication nor organization to pull off terrorist plot without the FBI. What a waste. Complete show trials. And I hope people see that. All we have done is catch four petty felons. Their arrest lead to NO ONE OF IMPORTANCE.

Another alleged 'Homegrown terrorist':

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16110298/

Shareef, of Rockford, was arrested when he met with an undercover agent in a parking lot to trade a set of stereo speakers for four hand grenades and a handgun.

Shareef had no accomplices and was not part of a terrorist cell, sources told NBC News.

Officials said Shareef had been under investigation since September, when he told an acquaintance that “he wanted to commit acts of violent jihad against targets in the United States as well as commit other crimes.”

The acquaintance immediately informed the FBI, officials said.

Shareef wanted to be a "terrorist" so badly he couldn't see any of the signs that he was being set up

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/438-more-on-derrick-shareef-the-qair-grenadistq-of-rockford-illinois.html

FBI's affadavit describes a confidential source (CS) who somehow has got hooked up with Shareef and who appears to have been "driving", not only "the mission" but also the car. That's right: Shareef and CS travel around in CS's car, CS is the one who suggests using grenades, CS is the one who suggests attacking a shopping mall, and on and on and on.


Shareef has been sentenced to 420 months (35 years) in prison:

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2008/September/08-nsd-872.html