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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:53 PM
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Cheering Crowds Greet Rebels in Haitian Capital
Cheering Crowds Greet Rebels in Haitian Capital

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (Reuters) - A ragtag band of armed rebels who helped to oust President Jean-Bertrand Aristide roared into the capital on Monday as thousands of jubilant Haitians lined the streets shouting "Liberte" and "Long Live Haiti."

The rebels swooped into Port-au-Prince as a contingent of about 200 U.S. Marines secured Haiti's main airport, unpacked gear and began a mission to restore order in the poorest country in the Americas.

Haiti was convulsed by an uprising that began 25 days ago when an armed gang took over the northern city of Gonaives and ended with Aristide's departure into exile on Sunday morning.

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Cheering Crowds Greet Rebels in Haitian Capital
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:05 PM
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1. and the "legitimization" effort begins
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:14 PM
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2. Were the Marines met with dancing Haitians throwing flowers?
Could be the ol' Iraq invasion script dusted off and using more willing actors...
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:22 PM
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3. LOL
Did anyone spot Amhed Chalabi in the crowd?
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:25 PM
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4. Maybe bushco used the "thousands" of demonstrators
that cheered the toppling of Hussein's statue in Baghdad. (Remember the creative camera angles on that one?)

(Damn, I seem to be in full sarcasm mode today.)
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:39 PM
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5. Why are so many on DU rallying around Aristide?
The very fact that the rebels were overrunning the country so easily tells me Aristide had little to no remaining support.

Why would we (the US) want to prop this guy up yet again? We did it once, it didn't work. If we go this time isn't it better that our role is only as a peacekeeping force and not an effort to back Aristide who clearly lacks the popular backing of his own people.

I get the impression that many here on DU will root against any and every policy of the Bush administration before they even have a clue what is actually involved.

Personally, I'd rather not send any troops at all to Haiti, and I would absolutely not want to send soldiers in to fight for Aristide since it obvious huge numbers of his own people want him gone or dead.

Imajika
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:44 PM
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6. maybe you ought to do a little research

It has nothing to do with supporting Aristide and everything to do
with supporting constitutional government.

I guess you fell for the ol "your just a Saddam lover" line as well?

Does the name Duvalier ring a bell?

hmmm....
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:49 PM
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7. Aristide started good and lost his way
The only power he had left was from armed gangs in his employ, not the ballot box.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:49 PM
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8. bingo
I get the impression that many here on DU will root against any and every policy of the Bush administration before they even have a clue what is actually involved.

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 02:51 PM
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9. Once we get a clue,
We're generally still against every policy of the Bush regime.

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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 03:08 PM
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11. ok..you might want to start here
Reporters sans frontieres

Nearly 30 Haitian journalists have fled abroad in the past three years after being threatened by Aristide supporters and two journalists have been murdered. As a result, Aristide has been put on the Reporters Without Borders worldwide list of 42 predators of press freedom

Haiti - 2003 Annual Report

Impunity continued to hold sway in Haiti. It gave government supporters a free hand to harass and attack the press and opposition. Facing growing opposition, President Aristide's government tried to use fear to hold on to power. More journalists were forced into exile. The investigations into the deaths of Jean Dominique and Brignol Lindor did not progress. On the contrary, their killers continued to threaten the families of both journalists.

At least 40 journalists were physically attacked or threatened in 2002. The Association of Haitian Journalists (AJH) put the figure at more than 60. Some had reported on the collapse of the cooperative savings schemes in 2002, which ruined tens of thousands of small savers and in which the government was allegedly implicated at the highest level. It was amid such scandals that Israël Jacky Cantave of Caraïbes FM was kidnapped in July in what Cantave viewed as a government warning to the press. After Cantave was threatened and forced into exile, a warrant was issued for his arrest for not cooperating with investigators.
The year ended with demonstrations demanding President Aristide's resignation and growing tension, in which journalists paid the price. Seven journalists had to go into hiding in Gonaïves after covering one of the first big anti-government demonstrations. They were threatened by the Cannibal Army, a "popular organisation" led by Amiot Métayer which terrorized this northern town ever since Métayer broke out of prison in August 2002. After initially promising to rearrest him, the government apparently preferred to use him as a blunt instrument against its opponents.
Métayer had been arrested because of his violent attacks on the opposition during a supposedly spontaneous reaction to what was portrayed as an attempted coup d'etat on 17 December 2001. An Organisation of American States (OAS) enquiry published in July concluded not only that it was not a coup d'etat but also that police officers were accomplices to the attack staged on the presidential palace. The enquiry also stressed that the ensuing violence against the opposition had been carried with logistic support from the authorities. Those targeted on 17 December 2001 included some 10 journalists who afterwards went into exile. The increasingly discredited government could try to repeat this kind of operation, in which it poses as the victim in order to have a pretext for cracking down on the opposition and press.

http://www.rsf.fr/article.php3?id_article=6197

thats just one RWB article...many more here

http://www.rsf.fr/sinequa_en.php3?iFullTextQuery=haiti&iLanguage=engli ...

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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 03:09 PM
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13. I get the impression you only trust CNN. 'Nuff said.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 04:25 PM
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16. read up info being
like the Carter Institute, politicsandelections.com, reporters without Borders, The Guardian, etc to back up my opinion that Aristade was a thug posing as a populist who in 95 and 2000 rigged the elections and used armed gangs to threaten the opposition and intimidate reporters and the press

Carter Institute report on 1995 election

http://www.cartercenter.org/documents/1248.pdf

and these reports on 2000 election from politics and elections.com

http://www.politicsandelections.com/international/hai.htm

reporters without borders

http://www.rsf.fr/article.php3?id_article=6197

thats just one RWB article...many more here

http://www.rsf.fr/sinequa_en.php3?iFullTextQuery=haiti&iLanguage=engli ...

Guardian article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1159230,00.html


see CNN anywhere in this list??
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 04:47 PM
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 03:07 PM
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10. If you're democratically elected
You can do whatever you wnat when you're in office.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 03:09 PM
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12. Still defending Bush?
It's really getting old.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 03:10 PM
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14. Keep pushin' pal
Just keep pushin'.
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 03:19 PM
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15. Huge numbers?
No, that is a false statement. Former FRAPH, the wealthy business owners, Duvalier supporters, a former Aristide supporter who has a warrant for his arrest from the DEA... those are the people who oppose Aristide. It's estimated that 6% of Haitians in Haiti are opposed to Aristide. That's less than the number of Americans who are opposed to Bush.

If we're a country that upholds the "rule of law", why would we wink and nudge the opposition? We send arms to paramilitaries in the Dominican, and by magic, the paramilitaries in Haiti acquire the same kind of US made M-16s. What a coincidence!
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