Aristide on lou dobbs now!!!

[manchu]

Talking via phone

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. They have his wife too (not on CNN)

Just a prudent thing to consider when evaluating his remarks.

[manchu]

2. says he was victim of coup

Kinda fuzzy on the whole kidnapping deal. He's not making it clear one way or another

[Suspicious]

3. I just turned it on...

What has he said so far?

[htuttle]

4. Telling essentially the same story that Maxine Waters stated

Says that the C.A.R. officials have been very nice, however. I think I heard that he said he is free to leave -- I may be wrong about that however. It's somewhat muffled.

[pinto]

6. not sure about that, htuttle, seems he kept saying "if" he was allowed?

I had some trouble with the accent and the connection. Coup d'etat, that was clear, though. It continues.

[htuttle]

14. I heard him say...

"If he was allowed to come to the United States..."

Still not clear if he has freedom of movement.

[htuttle]

5. Says he wants to come to the US

...and tell us the truth.

Now Lou is cutting him off. I think someone was screaming in Lou Dobbs ear...

[Tinoire]

7. Details please. More details since I doubt they will replay this n/t

[Renew Deal]

10. It's scheduled to be on at 11:00 EST

It will be interesting to see if it comes on.

[Tinoire]

20. I hope but won't be holding my breath

;)

Powell and the boys must have had a heart attack!

Bleachers. Do you know how proud I would be if my little country helped bring down the BFEE?

Someone needs to tell Bush that THIS is what democracy looks like!

[Name removed]

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[a_random_joel]

52. Funny,

I've heard the same thing said about Bush.

Do you have some positive reports of his valor?

[MendedFence]

76. I don't care what Bush thinks

This is about a tinpot dictator wannbe driving the people of Haiti into the ground.

[a_random_joel]

79. I could not have said it better myself!

This is about a tinpot dictator wannbe driving the people of Haiti into the ground.

But what does that have to do with Aristide?

[truth2power]

104. Good one, joel.

Hmmmm....someone walked right into that one.

[not systems]

80. Of course elections and term of office mean nothing to you.

You are a real crusader "for the people".

Got it.

[lostnfound]

55. Irrelevant. We believe in democracy and law as the basis for legitimacy.

That's the ground from which a good government can be grown, along with a free media. Our support is NOT based on personalities, or who happens to be described as a tyrant by US mainstream media or by the US government.

[pinto]

72. re: "valor", see Billy Pilgrim's post below, if you're still here

[Tinoire]

81. Wow. Just saw u in another thread making a similar comment

What a small world DU is!

What kind of reports have you been reading & where? Let me know and I'll be happy to point you to a better quality reading room.

Greedy tyrant is a term I haven't heard used for Aristide by anyone knowledgeable with the affairs of the country.

Some of the things Aristide did for the country are documented here:
http://www.haitiaction.net/HidFrame.html

Basically he placed the welfare of the people over the greedy profits of the factories and their overseers. That's anathema under this new US regime.

[never cry wolf]

49. Wouldn't THAT be an awesomely ironic result

If this coup plays a part in bringing down the BFEE!!

My God, I think I am getting aroused at the mere thought.

[Dirk39]

85. Bringing down Venezuela and Cuba...

sounds more realistic to me.

The island of Hispaniola is a gateway to the Caribbean basin, strategically located between Cuba to the North West and Venezuela to the South.

Chavez and Castro should buy some nukes, fast.

Hello from Germany,
Dirk

[0007]

87. Oh, you can bet it will be heavily edited -

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

34. pray some DUer is videotaping this

They gave him asylum last time, will they this time?

[manchu]

8. didnt say he was kidnapped

but he was forced to leave or their would be a massacre in the streets of Port au Prince. He said that basically he had no choice.

[Suspicious]

9. American soldiers...

He did just say American and Haitian soldiers removed him, did he not?

[pinto]

12. yes, said foriegn forces with Haitians, including Americans.

[Suspicious]

11. This is just

unbelievable - they're telling him he signed something, and he said he needs to see what he supposedly signed, because they LIE.

[htuttle]

13. Back on with Cooper

He says that he would need to see the document that they say he signed. Says that he wrote that if he was forced to leave in a coup, he would leave because he was forced to, not that he was resigning.

Says Powell says what he wants to say, ie., that he is lying.

Still not in contact with government of Haiti, including ministers, legislators, etc... Wants advice from government of Haiti as to what he should do next.

Says that US government security was withdrawn Feb 28. 25 more bodyguards were supposed to arrive the next day. The US prevented them from arriving, leaving him without bodyguards.

[Suspicious]

15. I also read

a report today that indicated that the U.S. intentionally blocked his security...I'm going to see if I can find it.

No idea of the credibility of this source, at all, but here it is:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/8074989.htm

Edited to add link.

[TankLV]

16. OK all you bushco* apologists - time to apologize to everyone of us

who preached the truth!

When will you bushco apologists ever learn - bushco ALWAYS LIE!

This just minutes after Powell told more of his lies.

Shamful

Disgusting

If this were Clinton, he'd be escorted out the door by now.


I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

[shanti]

41. i know, huh?

pretty disgusting when you see that kind of stuff here on DU! how ANYONE here could give * the benefit of the doubt in any dirty situation is beyond me.

[Dover]

17. Could someone summarize with details? Also can anyone record this?

I have no idea what station/channel lou dobbs is on and don't have cable. Maybe DemocracyNow! will have the recording or transcript of this at their site.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

26. Check on CNN.com at Lou Dobbs...

I don't know if there will be a transcript or not. I just got home and am seeing this for the 1st time myself.

[htuttle]

18. Cooper reading letter he supposedly signed to him...

...over the phone, on the air.

Aristide says US changed letter after he signed it.

Aristide is asking for him to read him the Kreyol version...I don't think Cooper speaks Kreyol.

[pinto]

19. yep, Aristide says they took off a sentence that said he was "obliged"

to leave....not agreed to leave.

[dweller]

21. Jennings/ABC had extra long report

and stated he 'signed' resignation...

Maybe the west coasters could come in later with details...

dp

[Dover]

30. Wasn't an ABC camerman or reporter one of the sources that said

they saw Aristide led away at gunpoint?

[displacedtexan]

24. Aristide said his letter was in Creole...

not English.
Cooper showed an English doc with Aristide's signature... very swirly handwriting.

Did we forge another document?

[nolabels]

36. Any Document signed under duress is not legally binding

As think there is file some one needs to look up, it's found under the word EXTORTION

http://www.iccwbo.org/home/statements_rules/rules/1999/briberydoc99.asp
Extortion and Bribery in International Business Transactions
(snip)
Foreword
In 1977, ICC issued a Report on Extortion and Bribery in business transactions. This broke new ground in calling for complementary and mutually supportive action by governments, intergovernmental bodies, and the business community to combat extortion and bribery in international trade.

The Report aroused interest in intergovernmental fora, such as the OECD and the UN Commission on Transnational Corporations. Moreover, corporations in a number of countries were prompted to establish or strengthen their internal rules of fair practices, taking as a model the Rules of Conduct for enterprises which were set forth in Part III of the 1977 Report.
(snip)

[Ysabel]

22. aristide said it was a kidnapping just now...

i heard him...!

[blondeatlast]

Holy crap.... nt

[daleo]

28. We will be told that it is not kidnapping

Because the U.S. government is not asking for a ransom, and hasn't killed him. They will come up with a fancy phrase, and claim it is perfectly legal.

[htuttle]

31. They will say "protective custody"

And "for his own good, and the good of the Haitian people."

Oh, the White Man's Burden is so heavy at times...

[DS1]

44. pre-emptive hemispherical swap

Yeah, that's the ticket!

[joeunderdog]

71. It was an "abduction-related removal."

The world community might not just agree to disagree on this one, however. Trade wars are heating up just in time for the election and they will see this as a situation that deserves (economic) consequences.

Remember, the rest of the world is voting ABB.

[htuttle]

23. Cutting away again....

Hanging up on Aristide, reasserting Powell's denial.

Back to Hill and Knowlten News, live from Haiti! featuring heroic US troops and dancing rebels...

[Ysabel]

25. yes...

immediately after he said kidnapping - they (CNN) hung up on him / cut him off - and then they (cnn) said no kidnapping...

edit - clarification...

[AZCat]

27. Time to get the 'Mighty Wurlitzer' cranked up!

Next we'll see Condi, Colin and Rummy doing the talk show circuit to repeat the administration talking points.

Time for a chorus of "Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better!"
Where's 'Snowball' when you need him?

[lostnfound]

63. I can just see Tucker Carlson berating us for believing a 'lying dictator'

and the talking heads debating what crimes they can charge Aristide with for having made up such awful lies about our beloved emperor..I mean, president. (uh, no, I don't mean president either, but uh, you know what I mean..)

[Renew Deal]

GD reporting that Aristide will be on CNN again soon. 7:20 pm EST

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1182414

[pinto]

29. (aside) what a change cell phones and internet have made, huh?

to hear all this in "real time" is amazing....
I know there's more sides to this story than meets the first take, but, hopefully, time will tell and Haitian democracy will get some (long overdue) international support.

[blondeatlast]

32. So true--it's amazing to watch. nt

[AZCat]

35. Difficult though- just like the 2000 elections

I find that I become 'starved' for information, and leap at the most recent articles hoping to glean something new. Sometimes I just have to back away from the computer and let events transpire without being in a 'ringside seat'.

Overall, I believe it is a good thing. Can you imagine how much easier it would have been for the Bushes to do this without our level of social connectivity provided by cell phones and the internet?

[Name removed]

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[htuttle]

37. So a coup is better for democracy?

You keep using that word 'Democracy'.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

[MendedFence]

40. Huh?

I assume the people of Haiti know what is best for them rather than us. If they chose to bring him down then they must have had a good reason.

[shanti]

42. JEEBUS!

it wasn't the people that brought him down, get it straight! :grr:

[htuttle]

47. But they didn't -- that's the point

The US took him from his home in the middle of the night against his will. He was on the phone with CNN about 1/2 and hour ago speaking about it. He didn't resign.

How did the Haitian people choose to have the US military kidnap their president?

[Name removed]

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[a_random_joel]

82. You really need to keep Bush out of this.

Why do you keep referring to him so disparagingly?

[AZCat]

86. The "People of Haiti"?

Surely you jest. how does a vocal, externally financed minority equate to the "people of Haiti"?

[not systems]

88. You sure are down on Bush. n/t

[Darranar]

97. How do the "rebels" represent the people of Haiti?

How is Aristide a dictator?

How did he turn sour?

[AZCat]

100. All Aristides turn sour when you forget to refrigerate after opening n/t

[Tinoire]

102. Please weigh in here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1181861#1182752

[Darranar]

56. However, they didn't...

the US-sponsored coup was not the will of the Haitian people.

Someone posted a statistic of the percentage of Haitians supporting the "rebels"... somewhere around 6%.

[Suspicious]

61. Democracy

generally entails the people passing judgment on their elected officials through constitutional means.

It does not involve violent overthrow of a government, or forcible removal of an official by foreign governments.

:eyes:

[never cry wolf]

65. His first election he got 92%

His second he got 67%. The opposition rebels at most that I have read have 20% backing but have gotten $70 mil from US "think tanks." In a country where the average daily wage is under $2, $70 mil may go a long way.

[not systems]

68. The last poll he had 55% the US backed forces had 8% ...

so what do you mean by democracy?

[a_random_joel]

89. Wow! In post #33 you said:

Wasn't Aristide bad for democracy in Haiti?

Now you say:

I assume the people of Haiti know what is best for them rather than us. If they chose to bring him down then they must have had a good reason.

Please reconcile these two statements. That is all.

[lancdem]

38. He's not the only one saying he was kidnapped

The story came out yesterday before he was even heard from.

[Darranar]

39. What?

Aristide was the first democratic leader in Haiti, ever.

He is viewed as a hero by the poor. The US media spin on him is not accurate; he has massive popular support.

The "rebels" weren't going into Port-au-Prince. I think they were too afraid to. The US proceeded to kidnap Aristide because their proxies wouldn't depose him.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

43. Here's an admittedly biased bio-bit....

<snip>
Shortly after Duvalier's fall in April of 1986 Aristide led a memorial march to notorious Fort Dimanche prison in memory of the 30,000 Haitians who lost their lives there under Duvalier. The Haitian military opened fire on the crowd of praying demonstrators but Aristide continued a live broadcast on Radio Soleil during the massacre, confirming his reputation as a fearless opponent of the regime.

Aristide became a target of repression by the military governments that held power after Duvalier's fall. He survived at least 9 attempts on his life. On September 11, 1988 St. Jean Bosco was attacked by a group of armed thugs while Aristide was giving mass. Dozens of congregants were murdered and the church was burned to the ground, destroying the symbolic heart of the ti legliz movement. A week later, partly due to the general revulsion at this act of brutality, the military junta fell. Aristide was expelled from the Salesian order on the grounds that he had crossed the border between religion and politics.

Though his church had been burned down Aristide's popularity among the Haitian poor only grew. He continued to play a leading role in the movement for democracy through the difficult and dangerous years of 1989 and 1990. He also dedicated more of his time to La Fanmi Selavi (the Family is life), a home for street children he founded in 1986.

In the fall of 1990 Haiti prepared for presidential elections that many feared would end in violence as they did in 1987 when voters were massacred at the voting poles. On the final day of registration Aristide announced his candidacy for the presidency. The announcement electrified the country and after a six week campaign that Aristide dubbed "Lavalas" or a cleansing flood, he was elected president in Haiti's first free and fair election with an overwhelming 67% of the vote. On the eve of his inauguration violence struck again as arsonists set fire to La Fanmi Selavi, killing four children.

During Aristide's seven months in office his government pursued a program of change based of the principles of participation, transparence and justice.

The Lavalas government began the difficult tasks of cleaning out a corrupt civil service, enforcing tax codes, fighting drug trafficking, and delivering services to its citizens. There was relative security, with military violence and criminal activity sharply reduced. Human rights organizations reported a dramatic drop in violations, the flow of refugees came to a halt, and not a single extrajudicial execution was attributed to the government during this period. The international community applauded the numerous reforms undertaken and donors pledged funds to the new government.

All of this ended on September 30, 1991, when the Haitian military violently overthrew the democratic government. Aristide was forced into exile, and the military unleashed an unprecedented campaign of terror and violence taking the lives of more than 5000 Haitian over the next three years, hundreds of thousands were forced into hiding, and tens of thousands more fled their homeland by boat. The coup targeted peasant organizations, members of the ti legliz, journalists, students, political activists, and neighborhoods that were strongholds of support for Aristide. Despite this repression the majority of Haitians continued to support Aristide and to nonviolently resist the military regime.

President Aristide first went to Venezuela and then spent two and half years of exile in Washington DC. Throughout his 1,111 days in exile he was recognized internationally as the legitimate President of Haiti. President Aristide worked nonstop, pursuing numerous diplomatic initiatives aimed at resolving the crisis and challenging the international community to work with the Haitian people to restore democracy to Haiti. Traveling throughout Europe, Latin America, Africa, and the United States speaking against the violence and repression that reigned in Haiti he urged international support for Haiti's cause and maintained close contact with the large Haitian diaspora.

On October 15, 1994, President Aristide triumphantly returned to Haiti where he completed the last sixteen months of his presidential term. He returned to a country traumatized by the violence of the coup period and economically devastated. His commitment to justice, and his calls for peaceful rebuilding of the nation enabled the country to regain political stability and take the first steps towards economic recovery. His most significant act as President was to dismantle the Haitian military. His government created Haiti's first civilian police force. With the support of the United Nations legislative elections were held and in February 1996 Haiti witnessed its first peaceful transition from one democratically elected president to the next.

After completing his five year term as President, Aristide founded the Aristide Foundation for Democracy. Under Aristide's leadership the Foundation is dedicated to deepening the roots of Haiti's democracy by opening avenues of participation to all Haitians. The foundation has three major program areas: sponsoring forums and public dialogues on issues such as justice, land reform, and the economic future of the nation; supporting literacy programs in Haiti; and fostering community-based economic initiatives.
<snip>


http://www.haiti.org/aristide-bio.htm

[AZCat]

46. Why don't you read some of the other posts here first

There are some good ones in General Discussion- you might have to go a page or two deep.

[DemBones DemBones]

54. It's important to remember that Aristide was the elected president.

Is he showing ingratitude or rightful anger and indignation?

[Ediacara]

58. You're right, he wasn't great

BUT he was the legally elected president of a sovereign nation who was kidnapped at gunpoint by US troops and flown half-way around the world. This is almost the same playbook used in Venezuela when the CIA tried to oust Chavez, and just like Venezuela, the CIA's involvement in the coup d'etat in Haiti is overwhelmingly obvious. What's more, just like in Venezuela, the Bush administration is cheering the violent removal of a democratically elected leader simply because they don't like his politics.

THAT'S what the problem is.

[a_random_joel]

59. Isn't Bush bad for democracy?

Did he do anything good for the people? My read on him is that he robbed the country blind and didn't work for the people. Why should we believe him now?

Oh, the irony...

[never cry wolf]

73. My nominee for post of the year!!

Awesome, a_random_joel!!

:yourock:

[a_random_joel]

74. Thank you sir.

I'd like to thank my mother, my father, my agent. And the good people of New Zealand.

[never cry wolf]

83. LOL

An a well deserved award too!!

(Side note, I see you have an avatar of the incomparible late, great Sweetness. As a lifelong Chicagoan and HUGE fan of Walter I appreciate that. Are you an ex-pat or just a hugely insightful New Zelander?)

[a_random_joel]

92. Chicago born,

Now on the left coast. And thanks. Sweetness was... sweet.

My reference to New Zealand was a joking reference to last night's Oscars. Guess you had to have watched it...

[Ms. Clio]

96. Why should we give a tinker's damn what you believe?

I won't say what you sound like to me.

[WildWorldOfMan]

45. Haiti may actually be better off without this guy in power.

His government was so freaking corrupt it's sickening. Upoefully they'll get someone in power who will actually work for the people.

Aristide is no saint. Just another rich Son of a B***h elitist screwing his own people.

Good riddance.

[htuttle]

48. This thread is starting to crawl with them!

AAAIIIEEEEEE!

[AZCat]

50. Yep- Where's the FLIT(TM)? n/t

[DrWeird]

53. Yeah, but paid or volunteer.

I'm guessing paid.

[AZCat]

62. The REAL Question- have the trolls been outsourced?

I've noticed a real unfamiliarity with both grammar and spelling. I figured these were just indicators of the lack of general intelligence, but perhaps it is because the 'trolls' are genuinely unfamiliar with written english!

It would fit right in with the RW propaganda machine, searching for the cheapest Wurlitzer to spread their mass deception.

:tinfoilhat:

[DrWeird]

66. LOL

That's rich. We should start a thread in the lounge about how the local football teams in India are doing. See who shows up with expert opinions.

[AZCat]

70. Ooooh- that's a good idea!

Get them arguing with each other so that not only are they tied up doing that, but then the RW has to hire more of them to do the job that the earlier ones weren't! Less money for attack ads, then.

Of course the RW could just get 1,000,000 monkeys (the real animal, not an ethnic slur) typing and derive the same result as mass freep-age. The danger to this is that eventually one of them will produce something sensible (as opposed to a paid troll) and this might be viewed as too big a risk.

And you'd have to feed the monkeys.

Or not (this is the RW we're talking about).

[Robb]

95. Ha! I can see it now...

"Aristide very bad! Bad man! Bush make much better! Now to be checking C drive...." :D

[Fleshdancer]

108. I don't know...foriegners are smarter than trolls

I blame the poor spelling on the fact that even typing is difficult without opposable thumbs.

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[not systems]

90. Dissing Bush again I see. Your right he will lose next fall. n/t

[AZCat]

91. Why don't we focus on 'facts' and not 'opinions'

I have yet to see any backing for your claims about Aristide.
Please include some, and quit repeating yourself.

[Tinoire]

99. Enjoy MendedFence: Haitians in Haiti are being slaughtered..

Urgent Action Needed: Haitians in Haiti are being slaughtered.

Emergency Action Alert
Mar 1 2004

Urgent Action Needed.
Haitians in Haiti are being slaughtered.

by Marguerite Laurent, Esq. Chair, Haitian Lawyers Leadership

Our Black people in Port-au-Prince Haiti are being slaughtered. The duly elected President kidnapped by U.S. Marines and flown out of the country at gunpoint and is being held hostage in the Central African Republic under U.S and French guard.

Yesterday, it is reported that, under U.S. marine escort the former FRAPH/FAHD thugs rolled into Port-au-Prince.

Aristide's private residence has been trashed.

The Prime Minister's residence has been trashed.

The first order of business for these U.S. supported death squad leaders and (Guy Philip, Jean Tatoune and Louis Jodel Chamblain) harden criminals was to go to the National Penitentiary and forcibly break out all the 2000 prisoners there.

Now these murderers have more murderers to help them terrorize Haiti.

Practically every building Aristide and the Haitian people built these last 10 years are being burned down and destroyed. Meanwhile the U.S. troops, French troops, Canadian troops are protecting their own edifices in Haiti. No one is protecting the more than 850 million investment per year hard working Haitians of the Diaspora have invested in the security, development, shelter and nurturing of their relatives, children and family in Haiti.

More:

http://www.haitiaction.net/News/hac3_1_4.html

This just in from Port-au-Prince: The SOPUDEP (Organization for the Socioeconomic Development of Petionville) school, which provides a free education and hot lunch program for over 400 of the poorest children in the community, is being threatened. Opposition thugs and former military have spread word through the neighborhood that they are planning to attack and burn the school very soon. The administration and staff take this threat very seriously and many of them have already gone into hiding until the situation changes.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/03/1671949.php


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x393285

[Darranar]

51. See my post above on Aristide...

the guy wasn't perfect, but he is infinitely better than the neocolonial puppet government the unelected thugs in the White House will set up.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

57. Please share (with sources) how it was corrupt.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

105. Hello?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

106. Hello?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

107. Can you not answer? Or did the talking points not include sources this

time?

[Webster Green]

60. Thats not what I've been hearing on Pacifica....

I trust them a lot more than Rumsfeld, Cheney, and chimpy. If your source is the mainstream media, well, you've been brainwashed again.

[Melinda]

67. Let's change events, places, and names, shall we?!?!

It's October 2004, and Bush* and his government have been forcibly overthrown by an opposition group from DU (funded by radical insurgents via paypal). Your script would read:

"America may actually be better off without this guy in power.'

His government was so freaking corrupt it's sickening. Upoefully they'll get someone in power who will actually work for the people.

Bush* is no saint. Just another rich Son of a B***h elitist screwing his own people.

Good riddance.'"

Why shouldn't that happen?

[pinto]

69. once you get used to regime change it gets so much easier, doesn't it?

[ret5hd]

75. Wow...how insightful and knowledgable...

i'll bet you got A's in Propaganda101, huh?

[Catherine Vincent]

98. "Just another rich Son of a B***h elitist screwing his own people."

You pegged Bush* right. Good on ya!

[Tinoire]

101. Please weigh in here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1181861#1182752

[AZCat]

103. This one's dead- I don't know about the other

Profile for WildWorldofMan is disabled.

[Jazzgirl]

110. Do I smell....freep??

n/t

[Chicago Democrat]

64. Finally A Decent Story on CNN!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/03/01/aristide.claim/index.html

[pinto]

77. McClellan: "[Aristide] went with his own personal security."

According to Aristide himself, that's false, unless McClellan means, to split hairs, that Aristide went with his own personal security in the accompaniment of armed US military.....

[Fleshdancer]

109. with his own personal security??!

hmmm. Personal security doesn't normally include a gun to the head.

[Suspicious]

93. You could have fooled me.

The claptrap they're spewing right now (Paula Zahn) is unbelievable. ...as Haitians celebrate his removal... cut to scenes of jubilant (and extremely well-dressed, I might add :eyes: ) Haitians.

The spin is nauseating. They're working overtime on this one.

[Robb]

94. This seems to be the place to point out

...I flipped channels briefly to see if CNN was sharing. They weren't, apparently. Faux had talking heads doing Kobe, MSNBC had talking heads doing Martha. :eyes:

[oostevo]

111. CNN.com Front Page...

"Aristide says U.S. deposed him in 'coup d'etat'"

Then "administration calls allegation 'nonsense'".

Hmm ... some coverage ... finally.

[ramapo]

112. Don't we believe Rumsfield?

The admin says Aristide signed his resignation..


Wouldn't you at the end of a gun barrel?

[jmaier]

113. Now Lou has someone on who

has been seen offshore but his job was kept at home. An interesting twist! :-)

[Moderator]

114. Not LBN... locking

Please refrain from posting "TV Alerts" in the LBN Forum. Such threads are more visible, and better-suited, for the General Discussion Forum.

DU Moderator