Duvalier Wants to Return to Haiti Soon

[barbaraann]

MIAMI (Reuters) - Deposed Haitian dictator Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier wants to return as soon as possible to his homeland, where Jean-Bertrand Aristide resigned as president after armed rebels took over much of the country.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040302/ts_nm/haiti_duvalier_dc


And yet again the BFEE takes evil to a new level.

[greatauntoftriplets]

1. Oh my God!!!

Is the regime going to re-install that right-wing dictator?

[barbaraann]

2. They take evil to a whole new dimension.

At this point, it's truly beyond my comprehension.

[MUAD_DIB]

12. No. Of course not.

They'll wait untill after the votes are rigged in November.

Either that or Shrubby knows he could lose, and this is just another way of screwing the world before he is tossed out.

[Say_What]

14. Why not? The US supported them for decades. No surprise here.

Uncle Sam is noted for doing this kind of shit.

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In 1957 François "Papa Doc" Duvalier became Haiti's President-for-Life, establishing a strategic relationship with the U.S. that lasted into the 1970s, when he was succeeded by his son Jean Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier. During their 30 year rule, 60,000 Haitians were killed and countless more were tortured by the Duvaliers' Tonton Macoutes death squads, but in 1969, after 13 years of murderous rule by Papa Doc, U.S. Ambassador Clinton Knox shook hands with the dictator and called for increased aid to Haiti. PapaDoc made him an honorary Tonton Macoute. While Haiti became the poorest country in the Westem hemisphere, the Duvaliers enriched themselves by stealing foreign aid money. In 1980, for instance, the International Monetary Fund granted Haiti a $22 million budget supplement. Within weeks, $16 million was "unaccounted for," presumably in Baby Doc's bank account.

Papa Doc liked to compare himself to Christ and adapted the Lord's Prayer to read "Our Doc who art in the National Palace for life, hallowed be Thy name by present and future generations." Baby Doc, on the other hand, made Haiti into a trans-shipment point for Colombian cocaine. He allegedly let his father-in-law use Haiti's national airline to ship drugs to the U.S., and his brother-in-law was convicted of cocaine trafficking by a Puerto Rican court. Nevertheless, as long as Papa and Baby Doc were anti-communists, they could do no wrong in the U.S. government's eyes. Their regime finally ended in 1986, when Baby Doc fled angry mobs of Haitians for the comfort of a Parisian villa, where he now resides.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/Caribbean.html

[wjittermoss]

39. Let's face it, the powers of evil and darkness rule the world

We are almost in a hopeless situtation with the America being THE most powerful and riches nation on earth and on controlled by powers of evil and darkness...just live you lives and try to do good where you can, show loves where possible, forgiveness, and have mercy on the less fortunate. You can make your own little world peaceful and safe.

[eablair3]

43. I like that, but

What you say sounds tempting and in some respects I like what you say, but don't you think people should do something to help make the world a better place for future people?

If not, it will just get worse. So, I can't accept that kind of thinking.

If others in the past had thought that way, wouldn't we have never had any freedom at all, even to speak like we do on this board. many have sacrificed in the past to gain what level of freedom we have now, and I know it's not total freedom. But, it's better than in the past. And, it's under attack. If we don't try to protect it and expand it, it will be taken.

[Renew Deal]

3. Let the head shrinking begin.

Didn't this guy threaten people with voodoo?

[Hoosier Democrat]

7. Not him, his father...

It was Papa Doc Duvalier who ruled with an iron fist and threats of Voodoo. His son, "Baby Doc" was a thug more interested in spending money and living the glamorous life. he just had his thugs kill people without creativity.

Even the slightest whiff of re-installing this blood-thirsty imbecile to power makes me ill. Of course, we have a blood-thirsty imbecile who was the son of a former leader, so he and Dumbya may have lots to chat about.

For the record, papa Doc may also return to Haiti with his son. During the 1986 coup that toppled the Duvaliers, baby Doc had Papa Doc's coffin dug up and taken into exile with him so anti-Duvalier rebels couldn't desecrate it.

[sadiesworld]

4. They will install Duvalier only after...

they have exhausted their search for a more evil,corrupt,puppet.

[BiggJawn]

5. If he donates $200,000 to "BushCheney '04", they'll fly him there...

...On Air Farce One.

Something tells me that Aristide may have been a crook, but he wasn't a pliant crook.
What's in it for the BFEE? Cheap domestic help?

[sadiesworld]

9. A message to Castro and Chavez?

[Zynx]

6. He should be shot on the spot.

That man is pure evil.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

8. Are you fucking kidding me?

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[barbaraann]

10. I wish.

:-(

[On the Road]

11. Does Bush Have the Slightest Bit of Sense?

This is unbelievable.

[MarianJack]

13. In A Word...

...NO!

[Say_What]

16. US supported the Duvalier's for THREE DECADES!!

http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/Caribbean.html

[PurityOfEssence]

18. Ugh, past good. Ugh, past real good; must have past

Ah yes, conservatism in all its imaginative flowering glory.

[mac2]

22. He's a puppet of the Neo Cons.....

I'm not sure if he's retarded but he's very manipulative. He's from a criminal family whose philosophy of life is "the ends justify the means". The "means and ends" being theirs.

[Hoosier Democrat]

29. Are you talking about the Bush or Duvalier family???

[calimary]

23. No, not really. bush doesn't know history. Hell, he doesn't even

read. If it's not on TelePrompTer, that is.

[Cheswick2.0]

31. Great Sound Bite! "The only thing bush reads is a teleprompter"!

good one Calimary

[Turbineguy]

37. For Bush it makes perfect sense

finally there will be a country with a leader dumber than him.

Baby Doc is the worst sort of evil. Evil and stupidity combined.

[salin]

15. would the administration be foolish enough to "let" this happen?

Any semblence they are able to convey of having been neutral (right?! but that is there story line)... of being concerned about democracy.. and attempting to paint Aristide as corrupt (taking money out and living high life... we see that meme even here at DU...) would be stripped away for the public to see. It would really hurt the administration - in the sense that with each outrage another chunck of supporters who have tenuously granted support (and "approval") for the bush's in the post 911 era ... suddenly "sees" the ugliness and rethinks their 'read' (e.g., giving the bushies the benefit of a doubt... )... and drops their support.

Don't know that the admin would have the power to let him in or not, but I would think that they would not want Duvalier to go back as it would turn into a pr disaster for them.

[CBHagman]

24. Bush admin is NEVER neutral and , basically dislikes democracy

They prefer to dictate and strong-arm a few to follow along. Florida was proof of that (with a dollop of nepotism and partisanship, no less). They prefer secrecy to candor and open discussion, the wealthy few to the many poor, and military force to diplomacy.

They are masters of studied neglect (witness how they failed to deal with both the Middle East and North Korea). Then they blame any resultant problems on the previous administration and/or whichever leaders they fail to deal with.

[salin]

26. I don't disagree... but more and more of their

actions are starting to politically blow up in their faces... and they are less able to completely control media spin and public reaction.

[Mike Daniels]

17. Nothing in the article other than Baby Doc saying he wants to come back

and everyone here automatically assumes that the Bush admin is going to go ahead and allow it and furthermore, prop him back up as leader.

I plan on voting against Bush as I haven't seen him do anything remotely good for the country or world but the way people pull conclusions out of thin air around here is utterly amazing at times.

[barbaraann]

19. Did you read all the posts about Haiti yesterday?

Did you see the names of some of the people are who are coming back into public life there?

[Say_What]

20. Hmmm, let's see. They're off to a good start Guy Phillippe,

Chamblain, etc. Google those names and see what you come with. Of course Baby Doc claims not to know these murderers (wink, wink, nod, nod).

[FlaGranny]

21. It might seem so, but

the b* administration has again and again and yet again lived up to all my fears about what they might do. It will be a surprising departure if they DON'T install or encourage "baby doc" or someone even worse to head Haiti. I feel sorry for the Haitians and expect many more to flee, or die trying, to South Florida in the coming months/years.

I've had many Haitian neighbors, and they are ordinary, nice family-oriented folks. Having personally known Haitian families, I feel even worse for Haiti. If given a chance, these ordinary Haitians could change Haiti into something to be proud of. If allowed to do so, they would no longer be "cheap labor" and so I doubt progress will be encouraged.

[Tinoire]

27. Mike. The FRAPH. All the reptiles you see on TV now...

those are Duvalier's people. And the mulatto elite that disliked that illiterate buffoon Duvalier with an intensity (because he and his father (mostly) slaughtered their families over fabricated color issues <a wedge issue they created for political purposes>) will sell their souls to the devil and band together with the Duvalieriste business community to keep the poor from living under any semblance of Democracy.

I am so angry right now.

[slackmaster]

25. I've always called him "basket-head"

I'm surprised to learn he is still alive.

[DinahMoeHum]

36. That fat pig is still alive ??? Sheeesh.

n/t

* may have just lost Florida with this.

:kick:

[SoCalDem]

28. An hour after Aristide left..I predicted this

:(

[tom_paine]

33. WWJD?

What Would Joe Stalin do?

Good prediction. But I have to admit, predicting Totalitarians like the Busheviks, Brezhnev, Stalin, Hitler is no great feat because everything is so corruptly scripted and staged (like a Bushevik Phony Backdrop).

Kudos for the prediction, but all you had to ask was WWJD? to get your answer as to how the Imperial Family of Amerika wouls behave

[Katarina]

30. Kick n/t

[alittlelark]

32. I cannot believe this would be allowed to happen

I just cannot. This Maladministration may be evil and duplicitious - but they just cannot be that stupid. I hope.:wtf:

[Say_What]

35. You might want to check out this quest/answer chatt with

Eugenia Charles-Mathurin, co-director of the "Haiti Reborn" program at the Quixote Center, was online Tuesday, March 2 at 11 a.m. ET, to discuss the overextending U.S. role in Haitian policy and the allegations that Aristide was forced to exile by the U.S.

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...Washington, D.C.: So why didn't the US send in troops to stop the civil disorder before Aristide decided to leave?

Is it now US policy to support the backers of Papa Doc and Baby Doc?

Eugenia Charles-Mathurin: The US would have never sent support to assist President Aristide because they created the opposition. They've always supported every demand the opposition presented. We've seen Secretary Powell come out and say, we support the process of democracy. We don't want to overthrow an elected gov't. A few days later, a new plan was presented to Pres. Aristide, a plan that would have removed all of his power. He accepted it. The opposition rejected it and made a counter proposal that he be removed from office. Soon thereafter, Sec. Powell says, "We don't think PRes. Aristide is fit to govern Haiti." And in the blink of an eye, he was kidnapped and removed from the people who had elected him, without even giving him a chance to address them.

Yes, the US continues to show their support for Papa Doc and Baby Doc supporters, that include the former soldiers, members of FRAPH, and the Haitian elite. The US has never been interested in Haitians who are peasants, because they want to take away the land from them to build more factories, so the Haitian elite can get richer, the peasants will be forced out f their land, will have no education, and their children will be deprived of basic needs. It is also why they had rewrote the Haitian constitution in 1915 after they oocupied Haiti, making it possible for them to buy and own land in Haiti, something that the Haitian forefathers like Dessalines and Toussaint, who wrote the constitition, opposed. He said no foreigners should ever own land in Haiti.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20712-2004Mar1.html

[Sandpiper]

34. Hmmm, the pieces are starting to come together

And the picture is getting clearer. Rebellion spearheaded by Duvalier's death squads, Aristide kidnapped by U.S. Marines, Baby Doc now says he wants to go home.

I suppose it could all just be a coincidence. :eyes:

[Valkyrie55]

38. Just when I think it can't get any worse....

IT DOES!!!

[Chicago Democrat]

40. Not a Suprise...

BUSHCO loves Duvalier, Phillipe, death, oppression and hates real democracy.

Vive Liberte!

[Plaid Adder]

41. Oh holy shit.

No. No, they can NOT bring the Duvaliers back! That is way too evil even for them.

Wait, what the fuck am I saying? NOTHING is too evil for them!

Oy,

The Plaid Adder

[Matilda]

42. Surely Congress would have a say in this?

They wouldn't let it happen, would they? I mean ..... surely not ...

[Judi Lynn]

44. Some kind of effort is being made to investigate this

and there's something you can see tomorrow on C-Span 3, or online at www.c-span.org:


FOREIGN AFFAIRS
House Subcmte. Hearing on Haiti
Asst. Sec. of State Roger Noriega & others testify before a House International Relations Subcommittee on the political situation in Haiti.
WEDS. ON C-SPAN3 AT 2PM ET


Roger Noriega, ex-chief of staff for Jesse Helms

It can also be seen in rerun online at your discretion at www.c-span.org as soon as they make it available, probably later tomorrow.

Lots of Democrats in the House of Representativs are determined to try to get this investigated but GOOD, starting Wednesday.

If _Bush's people are smart, they shouldn't try to get too tricky during the investigation. They can't afford to alienate too many more people, you'd think.

[tkmorris]

45. They get no say

Every bit of this operation is taking place "off the books". Everything that takes place will be "the will of the Haitian people" on the idiot box and will be decided by the Bush machine under the table. The most visible evidence of the Bushy People has already taken place (the escorting of Aristide to hell). Everything from now on will take place with US marines on the ground but will appear to be a populist Haitian decision.

True sentience is a curse. A fucking curse.