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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:46 PM
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Bush Ads Use World Trade Center Imagery
Bush Ads Use World Trade Center Imagery

WASHINGTON - With a huge $10.5 million downpayment, President Bush's re-election committee rolled out its first campaign commercials on Wednesday, using images of the destroyed World Trade Center to claim "steady leadership in times of change."

"What sees us through tough times? Freedom, faith, families, and sacrifice," says one commercial, as clips roll of the Sept. 11, 2001, wreckage, a flag being raised, children saying the Pledge of Allegiance, parishioners at a church, parents with a new baby and firefighters appear.

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The campaign had said it would not use Sept. 11, 2001, for political reasons, yet footage from the aftermath of the terrorists attacks is shown in the ads.

Campaign manager Ken Mehlman said the day was a defining moment that led to Bush's accomplishments, including passage of the Patriot Act and the war in Afghanistan that eliminated the Taliban rule. "These are important parts of this administration's record," he said.

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:48 PM
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1. have they no shame?
at long last, have they no shame?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:49 PM
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2. Nope
n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:02 PM
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50. OK - I'll try to educate you - but it's probably a wasted effort.
"Do you really think that any President who has been so strong wouldn't have done the same thing."

1) Bunkerboy wasn't "strong" - he ran and hid for a couple days - Clinton found his way home from half way around the world and beat bunkerboy to courageously be at the site - bunkerboy was still telling lies about air force one being a target and hiding in Nebraska or some such hidey-hole.

2) Double standard: It's OK for bunkerboy to fabricate his cod-piece phoney AWOL crap, but not to call him on it.

"I don't necessarily agree with it, but politically, it is at least as admirable as Kerry injecting Vietnam into every speech."

Again, it is not Kerry who is doing this, but AWOL boy. Kerry happens to have an honerable and well documented record of service to his country - so far bunkerboy only has a dental visit. AWOL keeps brining up Kerry's service - so Kerry responds. And besides, Kerry has many comrades-in-arms who he and they remember while bunkerboy can't even dig-up or PAY anyone to do the same - NOT ONE!

As to your "agreement" with AWOL boy, I find it hard to believe.

"Again, I am trying to vacilate between what I believe, but there, must be some consistency. Clinton/Gore/Obviously Kerry like to use m
military stuff. Am i wrong?"

Yes, you are wrong. Kerry avoids the subject. Only when confronted with AWOL's lies or someone else asking him about it does he bring it up. Clinton & Gore never did - and bunkerboy slandered Gore's honerable service record.

Again, AWOL boy doesn't have so much as a pay stub for his lack of service - henced the apt term AWOL.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:10 AM
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65. The coward's explanation
"Every politician does the same thing. Therefore, I need not respond ethically to anything."

Fucking cowardly bullshit. Full goddamn stop.

I echo the first poster's citation:

Mr Bush: Have you no DECENCY left, sir? At long last, have you no DECENCY left?

My experience on 9/11/01 (How fucking dare they?????????):

Here’s an account, perhaps too representational, of Tuesday morning in downtown Manhattan. I give this not to be self-indulgent – I think by now we know it’s not all about ourselves – but in an attempt to purge the experience, though I know such purging is impossible. In any case, others had it much worse.

Tuesday was primary day in New York for Democratic and Green candidates. I’d been dodging the campaign of Brad Hoylman, a Democrat running for City Council for the downtown Manhattan district. Jack C., a lawyer with whom I’ve become close friends, convinced me to attend a small fundraiser back in November, and the campaign had been bothering me to either help out or send money ever since. Though I avoided the phone calls of the campaign as much as possible (the fact that I’m not a registered Democrat didn’t seem to bother them, neither did the fact that I don’t even live in the district!), Jack finally convinced me to help hand out literature near the polling places on the morning of the primaries. I was to meet Jack on 6th avenue at 8:00 am.

Had I not volunteered to assist the campaign, I would not have left my home until 9:10 – which is to say, I would have watched on television, or from the roof, or through my window (the World Trade Center was clearly visible from my Brooklyn apartment), and would not have tried to get into Manhattan at all.

I met Jack at 8:15, at the union hall (SEIW 32) that served as the primary headquarters of both the Mark Green and Brad Hoylman campaigns. Since Jack and I both worked downtown and both had only about an hour to contribute before we headed to work, the campaign coordinator decided that we would work near the polling place at 30 Chambers street. Unfortunately (or rather, quite fortunately!), they had run out of flyers on 6th Avenue, so we had to pick some up at the campaign office on Broadway.

Just to situate. Chambers Street runs east to west just north of the World Trade Center. We were to work on the block just east of Broadway, or about four blocks north and four blocks east of the Trade Center. We reached Broadway and Chambers at about 8:40. We weren’t quite sure where the polling place was, so we headed west first and then, seeing that the building numbers were ascending (75, 77), realized we were going the wrong way. We crossed Broadway again and began looking for signs marking 100 feet from the polling place. At this point, we were concerned about violating election law by leafleting too close to the polling place. We saw no sign, and griped about the poor instructions from the campaign.

Just then, I saw a young black man, very close to me looking up at the sky. He said “Holy fuckin’ shit!” and his face was contorted and there was the unbelievable rush of noise and then the loud explosion and I’m certainly not talented enough to convey the timing of all this, very fast, seemingly all at once, but I remember it as a chronological sequence, though I don’t feel it that way. I pivoted right towards the sky, towards the loud explosion, and saw the fireball burst from the building – huge – and close: the first hit (“The First One”), North Tower (World Trade Center 1), downtown Manhattan, U.S.A.

I didn’t flinch at all – which strikes me now as improbable, almost laughable.

Jack said: “Was it a missile?” and people said “No, a plane, a plane!” A horrible accident. Everyone was on cell phones and in an instant the emergency vehicles started rushing by. It seemed like the sirens began immediately. “I can’t believe what I just saw,” I said. A man behind me said “Aw fuck. Aw fuck. That shit was like Diehard.” He was very upset. Jack called his partner, then the campaign, advising them that we wouldn’t be leafleting. I was trembling, but I stared quite intently at the thousands of documents floating peacefully eastward in the wind, wondering what they said, how they would handle the filing problems. “That’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen,” I said, “It’s like twenty floors! It’s gonna take years to fix that.” Jack said “Horrible, horrible – a lot of people just died.” We were now in a crowd, all looking up, some sobbing. We weren’t in danger because it was a horrible accident, so we stood with other New Yorkers and watched.

After ten minutes or so, Jack and I decided to get out of there; it was time to go to work. I had to take some signature pages to New Jersey, and it was important that they get there by 11:30, so the executive could sign off on them. With the emergency, it would be tough to get car service. Traffic would be a bitch. I was factoring time. I told Jack I would take the N or R Train from Cortland Street (the World Trade Center stop). He very sensibly told me to take the 4 or the 5, in order not to get caught in the rush of emergency vehicles and personnel. I wondered why I hadn’t thought of that. We dropped off the literature with another volunteer and told him not to hand it out. Go back to the office, Jack told him. The volunteer seemed curiously nonchalant, explaining the accident to a passerby.

We tried to cross Chambers, but the light wouldn’t change. Jack had to pull me back twice, pointing: Don’t Walk, Don’t Walk. Emergency vehicles were turning onto Chambers, and everybody was very careful to let them go by. Two policewomen were directing traffic, but they weren’t doing a very good job. They kept looking up at the building. “I’m nauseous,” Jack said; he was very pale and serious. As soon as he said it I became nauseous as well, replaying the fireball in my mind. I left him with a handshake at the City Hall subway stop – he had decided to walk in order to compose himself. “I’ll call you later,” I said, concerned about what we had both experienced. I looked up at the smoke pouring out of the North Tower, and I looked at its intact twin standing resolutely beside it. It would be the last time I’d ever see the South Tower. I think we left just before the people in the North Tower started jumping.

The 4 Train came right away. I got on the train. I thought I must be the only person on the train to know about the accident. I wanted to yell “A plane just hit the World Trade Center!” I had an image of myself as a 1930’s newsboy: Extra! Extra! I was growing increasingly nauseous, and I was angry at the people on the train for not knowing what had happened, for not seeing what I had just seen. We pulled out of Fulton Street and I was becoming ill. I would get off at Wall Street and walk from there, if only not to vomit on the others on the train. I had to compose myself.

I got off at the Wall Street station. The rotating device that allows people to exit but prevents entry was not at its usual place in front of the stairs. I found this very odd, as people could then simply enter the Subway without paying. Was it always like this at the southbound Wall Street station? Couldn’t be. I remembered taking the train here and having to walk through the gates – even in the morning with heavy traffic. How did they move it to the side? I headed for the steps anyway, wondering why the device would be out of place. A teenager to my left walked through the device anyway, even though she could walk around it. Strange. I was among the first ten or fifteen people to hit the steps, but there was a huge crowd behind me: Wall Street, 9 am – no surprise.

I was about halfway up the steps – almost to the street – when I heard it again, the same unbelievable rush of noise, the same loud explosion. Not the same – closer this time. I can’t describe to you how quickly the thought entered me:

That was no accident! And then: Oh fuck, they’ll kill us all.

This time, I couldn’t see the explosion; I didn’t know where it was: the second hit (“The Second One”), South Tower (World Trade Center 2), downtown Manhattan, U.S.A.

People, screaming, began to run down into the subway station and I took two steps back down the stairs. It’s like the London Underground, I thought. Shelter. But the people behind were pushing up – they wanted to get out of the Subway, so then I wanted to get out of the Subway, so I went up, out on to Broadway.

It was dark, as if overcast. The debris was falling everywhere, and hundreds of people were running back and forth in the street. People were screaming; women were taking off their shoes. I kept wiping the falling debris off my head and shoulders – it was only charred pieces of paper, thousands of them falling everywhere. I ducked into a doorway with a tall bald man, and wondered if I would have to fight for the spot. It may have been thousands of people at that point, running in all directions. “Another plane!” someone yelled. “They hit us again!” But would they hit us again?

I saw a group of men, some men in business suits, some traders in their Exchange smocks, a construction worker, standing in the middle of Broadway yelling “Don’t run! Don’t run! Stay calm! Don’t panic.” I felt panicked, so I decided to join them, as they seemed level-headed. The debris was coming down harder now, and our efforts were not particularly effective, so I started heading down Broadway. I saw what I thought was the Stock Exchange (it wasn’t the Stock Exchange – I was disoriented) ahead of me and thought “Oh, no. I’m not heading that way. They’ll hit that next.” So I cut down an alley just south of the Stock Exchange connecting Broadway to Broad Street, and started running. I saw Broad Street (the street on which I work) ahead of me and felt some level of comfort. I was alone and wanted to see people I knew. I got my bearings and walked quickly down Broad Street toward the East River. I stopped in the doorway of a building where many people had gathered to get out from under the falling debris. A trader with an army hair cut was telling anyone who would listen: “I SAW the second plane! It came in like this” (he tilted a downward-turned open palm from horizontal to vertical) “and hit right into the Trade Center.” “That’s the second one,” I said. “That’s the second one. I saw the first one hit.” Was I proud? Or bragging? Some people were joking:
“Holy shit!”
“Holy shit!”
“Jesus Christ, did you SEE that!”
Some people were smiling, shaking their heads. People weren’t running so much on Broad Street. I wondered how the attackers could have gotten planes. It hadn’t occurred to me that they were hijacked.

I decided to head towards my building, with a vague idea of going to work. I wiped debris off my head and shoulders as it settled on me. My mouth was parched from the ash in the air, so I walked into a magazine store, probably quite dazed, and asked the man at the counter if he had Snapple. As if nothing was wrong, he gestured toward a sandwich area in the back of the store. I went back and said to the attendant, “Gimme a Snapple.” He hesitated and said “What flavor?” “Uh, Iced tea,” I said, looking toward the front door. “Not the Peach kind. Regular. Regular Iced Tea. With the lemon.” He was already handing it to me. I pulled two dollars from my pocket and handed it to him, then waited for my change.

Just after leaving the store, I bumped into a man who said, “I know you.” I recognized him immediately. It was John R., who I haven’t seen since the sixth grade. We went to PS 29 together in Queens. He seemed calm: “What the fuck’s goin’ on?” I told him what I knew, and what I’d heard. As we spoke, a car at the corner of Broad and Stone Street backfired. Everyone around jumped, some ducking for the doorways. The car pulled off and a burly man in a business suit yelled after it: “Yer a real fuckin’ asshole, aren’t you?” John and I wished each other good luck, and I headed south again towards my building. As I would learn weeks later, another friend from elementary school, Michael E. (Engine 22), died in WTC 2 when it collapsed.

I reached Water Street, which I had to cross to get to my building. People were everywhere, looking up. I suddenly realized that it wasn’t a good idea to go into a high rise building at this point, and wondered if I should take the subway to Brooklyn. Almost simultaneously, somebody shouted, “The subway’s closed. The subway’s closed.”

Trapped.

As I crossed Water Street, a man stepped to the middle of the street, pointed a camera toward the air and snapped a picture. This infuriated me beyond measure. One woman was freaking out completely on the front steps of One New York Plaza. Two other women were holding her up, begging her to calm down. They seemed completely calm. It occurred to me that the freak-out was too severe to be only fear; she has people up there, I thought. Gotta be. All three women were young, and were wearing black clothing.

I made it to the front of 125 Broad Street (my building), where many people was congregated. The building had been evacuated; many people had watched The Second One hit, as they’d been attracted to windows to watch the events after The First One hit. People were shaken up, some choosing to stand right in the doorway, others preferring the open area closer to South Street and the East River. I preferred the water side myself – at least you could see the planes coming if they were coming.

I found my manager. He told me to round up other people in the department and wait for instructions. The partners and managers were huddled around a radio, trying to decide what to do. I don’t think they had any idea of how bad it would get. Mostly, we stood around for half an hour, trading stories and feeling stunned. One man was joking and laughing, but I didn’t hold it against him. Many of the people seemed too calm, holding conversations on work related topics, discussing dinners, making plans for conference calls. I couldn’t imagine how they felt safe. I stayed at the far end of the building, watching the skies. Brad, a co-worker, found me in the crowd and said, to my disbelief, “What’s going on? What happened?” Everybody was trying to use cell phones, but they were all out. Things were calm, but it would get worse.

Finally, I decided to leave, to try to get uptown. I had to find Anna. I had convinced myself that she was on an N Train running under the Trade Center when the planes hit. I would walk to 23rd Street and find her at her job. Brad, headed for the Upper East Side, decided to walk with me. He brought two women with him, though I didn’t ask their names. We headed north on South Street, a major north-south route that has the interior of Manhattan to the left, and the East River to the right. As far south as we were, the street first runs beside, then crosses under the FDR Drive.

It hadn’t even occurred to me that the buildings would come down, but we were worried about more attacks. Everyone was walking quickly, looking at the sky. From our position, we could not see the towers. We got about two blocks when suddenly people started pouring out of the east-west side streets – Old Slip, Gouvernor’s Lane, Wall Street - pouring out of the interior of the island, trying to get toward the water. They were running, screaming. I immediately thought that another bombing was in progress, close to us. I reversed direction and told Brad and the women to head south. But by this time, everybody was running. It was a chain reaction. Once we saw the people running out of the side streets, everybody on South Street began running. I heard: “It’s coming down! It’s coming down!” I began to run south, as fast as I could. I thought that I’d dropped my wallet, but I didn’t care. We all seemed sure, although it strikes me as completely irrational now, that the South Tower was toppling on to our heads. Or perhaps it was another building, closer. Or a plane. Something was coming down, though it wasn’t clear what. But it was coming down on us. I thought – a kind of random and baseless calculation, hopeful magic – it would come down on an east- west axis, so I tried to get south, to get clear of the building. People were trying to get as far east as possible, running out on to the piers jutting out into the East River.

This was certainly the moment of extreme panic. At that moment, running south, I thought for the first time that I would not make it through this. The screaming was unbelievable. The crowd in front of me slowed down, so several people started saying “Don’t panic. Keep moving.” There must have been 10,000 people on that street, still trying to get out from under the building. As I approached my own building again, I saw people pouring off the front platform, trying to get north. This made it even worse, as the people in the area I thought was safe were running toward us, thinking we were safer. We came to a standstill where the two crowds met. Then the cloud of debris from the first collapsed tower enveloped us.

I took off my shirt and covered my face. I was still holding my Snapple. I took a long sip, and held it in my mouth. Several people were shaking the locked gate of the South Street Heliport, yelling at a police officer to let us on. He looked terrified. He said “Go north, go north.” Everyone started walking north, coughing in the cloud. We heard the rush of jet engines and people began to scream again. Somebody said, “It’s the Air Force,” but we couldn’t see anything – we weren’t sure. I decided to get myself home to Brooklyn, but I was worried about the Brooklyn Bridge. Would they hit that next? I looked at the bridge, then at the sky, calculating – hopeful magic. Fuck it. Anything to get out of this. I had to get off that island. Several men in front of me were helping an obese woman over the railing that separated South Street from the ascending ramp of the FDR Drive. I jumped over the railing, almost dropping my Snapple, and helped them from the ramp side. “You alright, sweet,” one of the guys said to the woman, who was wheezing and crying.

In a huge crowd, I headed up the FDR Drive. Every few minutes, the shouts of “Get right! Get right!” rang out, and though the crowd seemed to fill up the entire width of the road, it managed to surge to the right in an impossible contraction to allow emergency vehicles – mostly black SUVs with dashboard sirens – to pass on the left. Every time this happened, several young Latino guys with no shirts on ran behind the emergency vehicles as they passed, and I thought it was a damn smart way to avoid the slow pace and maddening congestion of the crowd. I considered following their example, but nixed the idea. I was exhausted already, and wanted to save my energy. I wasn’t sure if I would need it more desperately later.

As the crowd crawled up the FDR Drive, I saw two of my coworkers ahead of me. I pushed and slid to catch up to them. I told them I was headed to Brooklyn, and that they were welcome to come to my place if they liked. They agreed, so we took the exit for the Brooklyn Bridge. The ramp from the FDR northbound to the Brooklyn Bridge is perhaps 500 yards long and heads due west, toward the interior of the island. At its end it makes a 160-degree turn onto the bridge. While we were on the ramp, another coworker joined us, also headed to Brooklyn. Above we could see the dust and smoke everywhere, and the North Tower, standing, on fire. As we approached the turn, we heard a bizarre screech, and watched as the second tower came down. Some people began to run, but most were calm (we could see that it wasn’t falling on us this time), keeping a brisk pace to stay ahead of the dark dust cloud that approached us. I moved quickly and jumped over the fence on to the pedestrian walkway. Two men ran by me: one of them said, “You can’t breathe in that shit.” I thought that was plausible. I helped a female coworker over the railing, but I was impatient with her pace. Then she dropped her shoe and left it where it fell. We began to cross the bridge. We finally reached fresh air, and began to relax a little, although everyone seemed eager to get on solid ground as the Navy jets roared above us.

Soon we were in Brooklyn, safe. On the Brooklyn side a man was fighting with four police officers, trying to get into Manhattan. The police were stopping people from going in-bound, but this guy was intent, desperate. The police let him flail away, let his glancing punches at them go. Impossible, I thought, yet there it is. When we got closer, I could see him crying, screaming “I gotta get in, I gotta get in!” He has people down there, I thought. Gotta be. The last coworker to join us lived right over the bridge, so the two I’d met previously went to stay with her. I stopped in for some water and called my father, but I had no word from Anna, so I left soon after. I walked home on Bergen Street; many people asked me if I was alright, so I must have looked stunned. Everyone had face filters but me. I didn’t think I needed one. I made calls, and finally got in touch with Anna, who was waiting for me at 23rd Street.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 05:30 AM
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73. Great post. I wish it had a better title, though.
A lot of people won't read it and it's powerful stuff.

"FUCK BUSH" Buttons, Stickers & Magnets
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 10:58 AM
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81. So are you voting for Smirk, then?
Seriously, though, excellent story. People who were there know the truth of what bravery is, and it isn't running around the country in Air Force One while the country needs its leaders the most. Even if it was Al Haig, it would have been nice for someone to be in control, at the White House.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:50 PM
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3. would not use Sept. 11, 2001, for political reasons
yeah, sure
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

:puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

:puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

:puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke::puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:49 PM
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:55 PM
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30. *LOL* I see alot of stinky fingers *smile* (EOM)
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:52 PM
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4. Absolutely disgusting. I predict it will severely backfire on them
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:54 PM
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7. "Absolutely disgusting. I predict it will severely backfire on them"
Those are my thoughts also, as they should. Bastards.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:53 PM
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5. Gore was right on this
fear and exploitation of this tragedy is thier game. Get the exact Quote from the campaign and try to get it out to the press.
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:53 PM
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6. Why would his failure to defend America on 9/11
make anyone want to vote for him?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:04 PM
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14. Yup! As Far As I'm Concerned, By Shamelessy Exploiting 9/11
he makes That a question that is PERFECTLY legitimate. If his aircraft stunt opened questions about his military service, his shameless exploitation should open questions about his failures to prevent it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:07 PM
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16. Great post!
You said it very well! thanks!
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:55 PM
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8. As I have said elsewhere, the mass murderer
returns to the scene of the crime.

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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:57 PM
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9. The ad should show a clock ticking
and then it should fade to him just sitting in the classroom while the clock ticks away.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:57 PM
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10. If we had any sort of LEADERSHIP
9-11 would never have happened.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:00 PM
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13. My reaction?
BARF.
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McScotty007 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:07 PM
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39. hold on, hold on
I don't blame 9-11 on any president, and as I have said before, to blame 9-11 on anyone is rude and unreasonable. Objectively, Osama did not formulate and carry out the plan in a manner of months, as would be neccessary to blame 9-11 on Bush . at the very least, he created the plans while clinton was president.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:18 PM
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42. There was some intel on the plans before Chimpy stole the election.
Sandy Berger tried to get Condiliar Rice to pay attention to them but the Bushistas decided to ignore everything. The August PDB had, according to some who would know, had info on it. Rice lied her goddamned ass off when she said "we never imagined people could use hijacked planes as missles/weapons..." not more than 3 months after the Italian government in Genoa installed anti-aircraft guns around the city during the economic summit that Shrub attended.

If they weren't to blame, they were criminally incompetent. Take your pick. :grr:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:35 PM
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45. Wrong
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 10:44 PM by Beetwasher
You don't have a clue.

Bush was warned and has lied repeatedly about what was known and has blocked the investigation and refused to cooperate properly. Condi Rice (paraphrase) "We had no way of knowing that planes could be used as weapons". Blatant lie. And now she doesn't want to testify under oath?? Gee, I wonder why.

Clinton and Gore are both meeting w/ the commission with no special conditions, but Bush can only give them an hour and only two Republicans can question him? And he has the gall to politicize 9/11? It's NOTHING to be proud of. It was at BEST a collossal FAILURE on his part to protect the country and his shameless lack of curiosity to find out what happened, to hold anyone responsible or to cooperate w/ the investigations smacks of treason.

Get a clue.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:54 PM
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49. McScotty, Navy pilots have thoughtfully considered
this scenario of having to shoot down a hijacked American civilian aircraft since the mid-1980's. It's a simple kegger scenario discussed amongst junior officers. When I heard it, the pilots even mentioned national govt. landmarks and The World Trade Center. Condi was either inept or lying to think this couldn't have happened.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:26 PM
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52. Bush is hiding something.
Why is it unreasonable to question the motives of a man who is politicizing 9/11 and using it to try to be elected, when he

(1) did not want the 9/11 commission appointed
(2) reluctantly agreed to the 9/11 commission, and then tried to appoint KISSINGER as its leader??
(3) refused to turn over documents needed, and then only allowed TWO members to see his memos,
(4) then refused to let these TWO members even have their fricken notes so that they could prepare their report
(5) then refused to testify to the commission
(6) then reluctantly agreed to testify, but only to TWO of them, and ONLY FOR ONE FREAKING HOUR???

He is obviously hiding something. He is obviously trying to escape from being blamed for 9/11. He is blowing political capital being such a secretive ass about this, so that must mean he is hiding something that will make him look MUCH WORSE. God. If Clinton ever tried to pull this crap you and your buds would be so all over him it would be a joke.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:31 PM
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44. Bush Has Now Opened the Door Wide Open, He's Made These Questions Legit
If Bush didn't want questioned asked about his incompetence, incompetence that lead to at BEST collossal intel failures that precipitated 9/11, then he shouldn't politicize it.

It's nothing to politicize and nothing to be proud of. He wants to use it to his political advantage, but wants to do everything to block and investigation into what happened. He wants to milk the firefighters for PR but screw them when it comes to funding.

Get real. He deserves all the shit he gets for this disgusting display of gall.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:59 PM
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11. I am waiting for Kerry to go after this....Clark opened the door on
the whole 911 "unpreparedness" ....let's see if Kerry has the guts to go after it.
I wish Clark had held off on endorsing...unless he had an assurance from Kerry that he would take up this argument that Clark so courageously and expertly discussed....
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:06 PM
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15. I Hope Kerry Was Just WAITING For this Opportunity!
It's perfect. Kerry should address these ads shamelessly exploiting 9/11 for political gain, AFTER they PROMISED not to! Then, should ask why they are so proud of this collassal intel failure that happened on THEIR watch AFTER they were warned...
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:49 PM
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48. You don't understand!
Only the Democrats can't use it - that would be politicizing it!

When repukes use it, it's only an example of their "patriotism" and "leadership".

To holler "traitor" everytime someone exposes another bushco* lie is not politicizing it.

To use it and lie about it, as well as their own inactions and statements on it, is honerable!

Don't fall for that bit of illogic - OK - how about this...

nevermind.

Barf.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:00 PM
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12. Sacrifice? SACRIFICE?!?!?
What the &*%# kind of SACRIFICE has Bush* or ANY of his ultra-rich supporters had to make?

They couldn't even be bothered to give up a tiny portion of their enormous tax cut to help pay for this all-important war.

Give me a break.
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homelandpunk Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:20 AM
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55. A complete farce. The word means nothing. It is for one thing:
to bolster the "war president myth".
But look at the sacrifice they ask of the 'murikan people: they offer HUGE tax breaks to morons who will purchase a Hummer. Oh god, these dark, difficult days...thanks god we have a Churchill-like leader as we run to our malls, barely able to cope with the epic, desperate war we feel encroaching upon our instincts to survive. WHAT A FUCKING CROCK. What pure propaganda and deceit. What a country of dullards to watch the ads and FEEL the way they want you to feel.

PUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE!!!!!
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:11 PM
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17. I predict that a few family members
of those who died that day will be very outspoken about this. Let Bush exploit 9/11, it will only further diminish him.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:14 PM
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19. "brave, brave, Sir Robin"
He's running away, he's chickening out. That line always recurs to me when I think of *'s performance on 9/11. Incredible.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:57 AM
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62. Me too
did since day one! (Where's Georgie? Bravely running away)!
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:04 AM
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82. More on Brave Dubya
Wow, how applicable; just sub pResident Smirk for Sir Robin:

"Brave Sir Robin ran away,
Bravely ran away, away.
When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly, he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin."

"He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge."

-Minstrel, "Monty Pyton and the Holy Grail."
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:11 PM
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51. they sure are ...
This group of 9/11 families is lobbying to make the WTC a politics-free zone. What a shame Mr. Bush won't even meet with them to hear what they have to say.

http://www.peacefultomorrows.org
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:14 PM
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18. Two words...
SHAME LESS
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:19 PM
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20. As he blocks the commission's investigation
This will backfire. An outrage.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:20 PM
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21. Well, yeah...
"The campaign had said it would not use Sept. 11, 2001, for political reasons, yet footage from the aftermath of the terrorists attacks is shown in the ads."

They were just giving examples of what they would not be using. What's not to understand?:eyes:
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:30 PM
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22. You all knew they would use it.......
and 200 million dollars worth of it to come. F***B*** Lead the way Kerry.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:54 PM
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29. They HAVE to use it........
It's all they have to go with, the only thing that they can count on.
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Razoor Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:39 PM
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23. Bush is is liar
I think this is really disrespectful to the families and the people died that day but * doesnt care he just wants to exploit it to the fullest.

also about the dad I though I think cnn or somebody said to be on the lookout for ads that dont have the canidate at the end saying I am so and so and i approve this message. the * ads i seen previewed on cnn dont say that.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:44 PM
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:59 PM
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35. Mmmm... Froot Loops...
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:51 PM
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27. btt
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metisnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:50 PM
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26. maggots
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 09:50 PM by metisnation
this makes me mad big time.

:mad:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:55 PM
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:57 PM
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33. Did someone say tombstone?
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:52 PM
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28. They'll build this up a little at a time.
They are starting small with a brief picture of the wreckage but I predict that they will ramp up the imagery over time.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:59 PM
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:00 PM
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36. Now, which rock did this crawl out from under?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:58 AM
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63. The light of truth
always flushes out the cockroaches.
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Katha Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:02 PM
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37. There is no swear word
graphic enough to describe this scum.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:11 PM
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41. Well put.
And welcome to DU! :)
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:08 PM
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40. He's got nothing else!!!
Reminds me of Richard Gere in "An Officer and a Gentleman" crying out "I got no place left to go!"

Bush has got nothing else to run on!

"The campaign had said it would not use Sept. 11, 2001, for political reasons, yet footage from the aftermath of the terrorists attacks is shown in the ads."
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:44 PM
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46. Bush only has imagery; he can't win on his record!
After losing over 2 million jobs, 540+ soldiers in Iraq and record fiscal deficits what did you expect?

After 9-11, Bush had the support of the world and a unified American populace.

I remember right after 9-11 how friendly Americans were towards each other. Even Gore called Bush his 'commander and chief'. Any competent leader would have seized on this goodwill and incorporated into his political personality.

Not Bush!

The American public is divided over their support of the Iraq war and Bush. And Gore is one his harshest critics.

Moreover, the world's post-911 empathy turned into outright protest. I'm not talking 'bout anti-war activists:

Bush couldn't even address the British Parliament for fear of boos and people walking out; that's what happened to him in Australia.

When Bush took over, our economy had a projected surplus; there was honest speculation that the National Debt would be paid off before 2010.

Now there's red ink for far as the eye can see. Some of this has to do with the recession but most of its due to his irresponsible tax cuts.

Some people blamed the neo-cons, Rove, Cheney, etc... but
Bush is simply not qualified to be President of the United States and many, many voter recognize this. He lacks requisite leadership skills.







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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:48 PM
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47. We've defeated the Taliban? Really? Then why are
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 10:49 PM by Ilsa
women setting themselves on fire in protest of their re-emergence?

The truth about the state of affairs in Afghanistan needs to get out there.
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McScotty007 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:39 PM
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53. o.k.
so a few women set themselves on fire. that means the rest of them should have stayed oppresed?
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:49 AM
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60. You actually think the women there are not still being oppressed??
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:32 AM
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69. How do you even sleep at night
Say the same thing in your church. What a pathology!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:34 AM
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70. Do insects actually sleep?
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:12 AM
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83. Stay?
Newsflash: outside of ONE city that is still (barely) under any kind of government control, the rest of Afghanistan is still run by the same type of warlords that existed before we invaded. The same warlords that repressed their women before we invaded are still repressing them today. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:51 PM
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54. I'm using 911 imagery too
and one of the images is BUSH SITTING ON HIS ASS IN A SCHOOL that morning..

the link is below, watch it.. let it load and pass it around..

this will sink him..

ramp it up? They plan to lay a cornerstone or some such at the REPUB convention, surrounded by storm troopers, cos he's so beloved..

people are sick of this liar..

only the mentally ill will buy this.

He stands on the graves and shouts his pathetic resume to the world.

Ghouls.
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Tank in Texas Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:27 AM
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56. Yuck.
Yuck.

I may just throw up now.

Its not that I expect more from Our President (tm). I honestly don't. We had to put up with him as Governor long before he was so gracious as to move to Washington and live in the White House. Some say he even has taken on the duties of the President- you know- finding the perfect place to serve plastic turkeys at photo ops and smiling with small ethnic children.

I have lost count in the last few months the number of times I have said to myself, "this represents a new low for the Bush Administration." Sometimes I say it too loudly and people give me funny looks then start to back away, slowly.

So I'll say it to you- this represents a new low for the Bush Administration.

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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:28 AM
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57. "It happened on my watch."
"And I'm proud of that."
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WildWorldOfMan Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:37 AM
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59. Would have happened under Gore's watch too I'm afraid.
Those terrorists did attack US interests several times under clinton's watch in addition to many of those 9/11 hijackers training in the US since 1998. The real question is what should we have done to respond to it and when. Just the facts...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:52 AM
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61. Just the facts...
It is doubtful that Gore would have turned his back on Bin-Laden
in the way that chimp did, so it is a matter of speculation whether or not Gore would have rounded him up in time. THE FACT is that in 2000- Sept 10 2001 chimp and his pirates choose to focus their attention on missile defense, reduction of troop size, base closures, & pie in the sky weapons systems instead of dealing with "terraists"

My, this subject has brought out the freepers tonight! Must of struck a nerve.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:05 AM
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64. It happened on President Clinton's watch
because of the Previous Bush/Reagan policies.. they've done nothing but antagonize and arm the world while selling to the enemy..

the BLOWBACK was the PREVIOUS World Trade Tower bombing..

Think, trading with the Nazis and Prescott Bush..

assholes and ghouls.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:13 AM
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66. September 11, 2001. THIS IS NOT A CAMPAIGN AD!!!!
Here’s an account, perhaps too representational, of Tuesday morning in downtown Manhattan. I give this not to be self-indulgent – I think by now we know it’s not all about ourselves – but in an attempt to purge the experience, though I know such purging is impossible. In any case, others had it much worse.

Tuesday was primary day in New York for Democratic and Green candidates. I’d been dodging the campaign of Brad Hoylman, a Democrat running for City Council for the downtown Manhattan district. Jack C., a lawyer with whom I’ve become close friends, convinced me to attend a small fundraiser back in November, and the campaign had been bothering me to either help out or send money ever since. Though I avoided the phone calls of the campaign as much as possible (the fact that I’m not a registered Democrat didn’t seem to bother them, neither did the fact that I don’t even live in the district!), Jack finally convinced me to help hand out literature near the polling places on the morning of the primaries. I was to meet Jack on 6th avenue at 8:00 am.

Had I not volunteered to assist the campaign, I would not have left my home until 9:10 – which is to say, I would have watched on television, or from the roof, or through my window (the World Trade Center was clearly visible from my Brooklyn apartment), and would not have tried to get into Manhattan at all.

I met Jack at 8:15, at the union hall (SEIW 32) that served as the primary headquarters of both the Mark Green and Brad Hoylman campaigns. Since Jack and I both worked downtown and both had only about an hour to contribute before we headed to work, the campaign coordinator decided that we would work near the polling place at 30 Chambers street. Unfortunately (or rather, quite fortunately!), they had run out of flyers on 6th Avenue, so we had to pick some up at the campaign office on Broadway.

Just to situate. Chambers Street runs east to west just north of the World Trade Center. We were to work on the block just east of Broadway, or about four blocks north and four blocks east of the Trade Center. We reached Broadway and Chambers at about 8:40. We weren’t quite sure where the polling place was, so we headed west first and then, seeing that the building numbers were ascending (75, 77), realized we were going the wrong way. We crossed Broadway again and began looking for signs marking 100 feet from the polling place. At this point, we were concerned about violating election law by leafleting too close to the polling place. We saw no sign, and griped about the poor instructions from the campaign.

Just then, I saw a young black man, very close to me looking up at the sky. He said “Holy fuckin’ shit!” and his face was contorted and there was the unbelievable rush of noise and then the loud explosion and I’m certainly not talented enough to convey the timing of all this, very fast, seemingly all at once, but I remember it as a chronological sequence, though I don’t feel it that way. I pivoted right towards the sky, towards the loud explosion, and saw the fireball burst from the building – huge – and close: the first hit (“The First One”), North Tower (World Trade Center 1), downtown Manhattan, U.S.A.

I didn’t flinch at all – which strikes me now as improbable, almost laughable.

Jack said: “Was it a missile?” and people said “No, a plane, a plane!” A horrible accident. Everyone was on cell phones and in an instant the emergency vehicles started rushing by. It seemed like the sirens began immediately. “I can’t believe what I just saw,” I said. A man behind me said “Aw fuck. Aw fuck. That shit was like Diehard.” He was very upset. Jack called his partner, then the campaign, advising them that we wouldn’t be leafleting. I was trembling, but I stared quite intently at the thousands of documents floating peacefully eastward in the wind, wondering what they said, how they would handle the filing problems. “That’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen,” I said, “It’s like twenty floors! It’s gonna take years to fix that.” Jack said “Horrible, horrible – a lot of people just died.” We were now in a crowd, all looking up, some sobbing. We weren’t in danger because it was a horrible accident, so we stood with other New Yorkers and watched.

After ten minutes or so, Jack and I decided to get out of there; it was time to go to work. I had to take some signature pages to New Jersey, and it was important that they get there by 11:30, so the executive could sign off on them. With the emergency, it would be tough to get car service. Traffic would be a bitch. I was factoring time. I told Jack I would take the N or R Train from Cortland Street (the World Trade Center stop). He very sensibly told me to take the 4 or the 5, in order not to get caught in the rush of emergency vehicles and personnel. I wondered why I hadn’t thought of that. We dropped off the literature with another volunteer and told him not to hand it out. Go back to the office, Jack told him. The volunteer seemed curiously nonchalant, explaining the accident to a passerby.

We tried to cross Chambers, but the light wouldn’t change. Jack had to pull me back twice, pointing: Don’t Walk, Don’t Walk. Emergency vehicles were turning onto Chambers, and everybody was very careful to let them go by. Two policewomen were directing traffic, but they weren’t doing a very good job. They kept looking up at the building. “I’m nauseous,” Jack said; he was very pale and serious. As soon as he said it I became nauseous as well, replaying the fireball in my mind. I left him with a handshake at the City Hall subway stop – he had decided to walk in order to compose himself. “I’ll call you later,” I said, concerned about what we had both experienced. I looked up at the smoke pouring out of the North Tower, and I looked at its intact twin standing resolutely beside it. It would be the last time I’d ever see the South Tower. I think we left just before the people in the North Tower started jumping.

The 4 Train came right away. I got on the train. I thought I must be the only person on the train to know about the accident. I wanted to yell “A plane just hit the World Trade Center!” I had an image of myself as a 1930’s newsboy: Extra! Extra! I was growing increasingly nauseous, and I was angry at the people on the train for not knowing what had happened, for not seeing what I had just seen. We pulled out of Fulton Street and I was becoming ill. I would get off at Wall Street and walk from there, if only not to vomit on the others on the train. I had to compose myself.

I got off at the Wall Street station. The rotating device that allows people to exit but prevents entry was not at its usual place in front of the stairs. I found this very odd, as people could then simply enter the Subway without paying. Was it always like this at the southbound Wall Street station? Couldn’t be. I remembered taking the train here and having to walk through the gates – even in the morning with heavy traffic. How did they move it to the side? I headed for the steps anyway, wondering why the device would be out of place. A teenager to my left walked through the device anyway, even though she could walk around it. Strange. I was among the first ten or fifteen people to hit the steps, but there was a huge crowd behind me: Wall Street, 9 am – no surprise.

I was about halfway up the steps – almost to the street – when I heard it again, the same unbelievable rush of noise, the same loud explosion. Not the same – closer this time. I can’t describe to you how quickly the thought entered me:

That was no accident! And then: Oh fuck, they’ll kill us all.

This time, I couldn’t see the explosion; I didn’t know where it was: the second hit (“The Second One”), South Tower (World Trade Center 2), downtown Manhattan, U.S.A.

People, screaming, began to run down into the subway station and I took two steps back down the stairs. It’s like the London Underground, I thought. Shelter. But the people behind were pushing up – they wanted to get out of the Subway, so then I wanted to get out of the Subway, so I went up, out on to Broadway.

It was dark, as if overcast. The debris was falling everywhere, and hundreds of people were running back and forth in the street. People were screaming; women were taking off their shoes. I kept wiping the falling debris off my head and shoulders – it was only charred pieces of paper, thousands of them falling everywhere. I ducked into a doorway with a tall bald man, and wondered if I would have to fight for the spot. It may have been thousands of people at that point, running in all directions. “Another plane!” someone yelled. “They hit us again!” But would they hit us again?

I saw a group of men, some men in business suits, some traders in their Exchange smocks, a construction worker, standing in the middle of Broadway yelling “Don’t run! Don’t run! Stay calm! Don’t panic.” I felt panicked, so I decided to join them, as they seemed level-headed. The debris was coming down harder now, and our efforts were not particularly effective, so I started heading down Broadway. I saw what I thought was the Stock Exchange (it wasn’t the Stock Exchange – I was disoriented) ahead of me and thought “Oh, no. I’m not heading that way. They’ll hit that next.” So I cut down an alley just south of the Stock Exchange connecting Broadway to Broad Street, and started running. I saw Broad Street (the street on which I work) ahead of me and felt some level of comfort. I was alone and wanted to see people I knew. I got my bearings and walked quickly down Broad Street toward the East River. I stopped in the doorway of a building where many people had gathered to get out from under the falling debris. A trader with an army hair cut was telling anyone who would listen: “I SAW the second plane! It came in like this” (he tilted a downward-turned open palm from horizontal to vertical) “and hit right into the Trade Center.” “That’s the second one,” I said. “That’s the second one. I saw the first one hit.” Was I proud? Or bragging? Some people were joking:
“Holy shit!”
“Holy shit!”
“Jesus Christ, did you SEE that!”
Some people were smiling, shaking their heads. People weren’t running so much on Broad Street. I wondered how the attackers could have gotten planes. It hadn’t occurred to me that they were hijacked.

I decided to head towards my building, with a vague idea of going to work. I wiped debris off my head and shoulders as it settled on me. My mouth was parched from the ash in the air, so I walked into a magazine store, probably quite dazed, and asked the man at the counter if he had Snapple. As if nothing was wrong, he gestured toward a sandwich area in the back of the store. I went back and said to the attendant, “Gimme a Snapple.” He hesitated and said “What flavor?” “Uh, Iced tea,” I said, looking toward the front door. “Not the Peach kind. Regular. Regular Iced Tea. With the lemon.” He was already handing it to me. I pulled two dollars from my pocket and handed it to him, then waited for my change.

Just after leaving the store, I bumped into a man who said, “I know you.” I recognized him immediately. It was John R., who I haven’t seen since the sixth grade. We went to PS 29 together in Queens. He seemed calm: “What the fuck’s goin’ on?” I told him what I knew, and what I’d heard. As we spoke, a car at the corner of Broad and Stone Street backfired. Everyone around jumped, some ducking for the doorways. The car pulled off and a burly man in a business suit yelled after it: “Yer a real fuckin’ asshole, aren’t you?” John and I wished each other good luck, and I headed south again towards my building. As I would learn weeks later, another friend from elementary school, Michael E. (Engine 22), died in WTC 2 when it collapsed.

I reached Water Street, which I had to cross to get to my building. People were everywhere, looking up. I suddenly realized that it wasn’t a good idea to go into a high rise building at this point, and wondered if I should take the subway to Brooklyn. Almost simultaneously, somebody shouted, “The subway’s closed. The subway’s closed.”

Trapped.

As I crossed Water Street, a man stepped to the middle of the street, pointed a camera toward the air and snapped a picture. This infuriated me beyond measure. One woman was freaking out completely on the front steps of One New York Plaza. Two other women were holding her up, begging her to calm down. They seemed completely calm. It occurred to me that the freak-out was too severe to be only fear; she has people up there, I thought. Gotta be. All three women were young, and were wearing black clothing.

I made it to the front of 125 Broad Street (my building), where many people was congregated. The building had been evacuated; many people had watched The Second One hit, as they’d been attracted to windows to watch the events after The First One hit. People were shaken up, some choosing to stand right in the doorway, others preferring the open area closer to South Street and the East River. I preferred the water side myself – at least you could see the planes coming if they were coming.

I found my manager. He told me to round up other people in the department and wait for instructions. The partners and managers were huddled around a radio, trying to decide what to do. I don’t think they had any idea of how bad it would get. Mostly, we stood around for half an hour, trading stories and feeling stunned. One man was joking and laughing, but I didn’t hold it against him. Many of the people seemed too calm, holding conversations on work related topics, discussing dinners, making plans for conference calls. I couldn’t imagine how they felt safe. I stayed at the far end of the building, watching the skies. Brad, a co-worker, found me in the crowd and said, to my disbelief, “What’s going on? What happened?” Everybody was trying to use cell phones, but they were all out. Things were calm, but it would get worse.

Finally, I decided to leave, to try to get uptown. I had to find Anna. I had convinced myself that she was on an N Train running under the Trade Center when the planes hit. I would walk to 23rd Street and find her at her job. Brad, headed for the Upper East Side, decided to walk with me. He brought two women with him, though I didn’t ask their names. We headed north on South Street, a major north-south route that has the interior of Manhattan to the left, and the East River to the right. As far south as we were, the street first runs beside, then crosses under the FDR Drive.

It hadn’t even occurred to me that the buildings would come down, but we were worried about more attacks. Everyone was walking quickly, looking at the sky. From our position, we could not see the towers. We got about two blocks when suddenly people started pouring out of the east-west side streets – Old Slip, Gouvernor’s Lane, Wall Street - pouring out of the interior of the island, trying to get toward the water. They were running, screaming. I immediately thought that another bombing was in progress, close to us. I reversed direction and told Brad and the women to head south. But by this time, everybody was running. It was a chain reaction. Once we saw the people running out of the side streets, everybody on South Street began running. I heard: “It’s coming down! It’s coming down!” I began to run south, as fast as I could. I thought that I’d dropped my wallet, but I didn’t care. We all seemed sure, although it strikes me as completely irrational now, that the South Tower was toppling on to our heads. Or perhaps it was another building, closer. Or a plane. Something was coming down, though it wasn’t clear what. But it was coming down on us. I thought – a kind of random and baseless calculation, hopeful magic – it would come down on an east- west axis, so I tried to get south, to get clear of the building. People were trying to get as far east as possible, running out on to the piers jutting out into the East River.

This was certainly the moment of extreme panic. At that moment, running south, I thought for the first time that I would not make it through this. The screaming was unbelievable. The crowd in front of me slowed down, so several people started saying “Don’t panic. Keep moving.” There must have been 10,000 people on that street, still trying to get out from under the building. As I approached my own building again, I saw people pouring off the front platform, trying to get north. This made it even worse, as the people in the area I thought was safe were running toward us, thinking we were safer. We came to a standstill where the two crowds met. Then the cloud of debris from the first collapsed tower enveloped us.

I took off my shirt and covered my face. I was still holding my Snapple. I took a long sip, and held it in my mouth. Several people were shaking the locked gate of the South Street Heliport, yelling at a police officer to let us on. He looked terrified. He said “Go north, go north.” Everyone started walking north, coughing in the cloud. We heard the rush of jet engines and people began to scream again. Somebody said, “It’s the Air Force,” but we couldn’t see anything – we weren’t sure. I decided to get myself home to Brooklyn, but I was worried about the Brooklyn Bridge. Would they hit that next? I looked at the bridge, then at the sky, calculating – hopeful magic. Fuck it. Anything to get out of this. I had to get off that island. Several men in front of me were helping an obese woman over the railing that separated South Street from the ascending ramp of the FDR Drive. I jumped over the railing, almost dropping my Snapple, and helped them from the ramp side. “You alright, sweet,” one of the guys said to the woman, who was wheezing and crying.

In a huge crowd, I headed up the FDR Drive. Every few minutes, the shouts of “Get right! Get right!” rang out, and though the crowd seemed to fill up the entire width of the road, it managed to surge to the right in an impossible contraction to allow emergency vehicles – mostly black SUVs with dashboard sirens – to pass on the left. Every time this happened, several young Latino guys with no shirts on ran behind the emergency vehicles as they passed, and I thought it was a damn smart way to avoid the slow pace and maddening congestion of the crowd. I considered following their example, but nixed the idea. I was exhausted already, and wanted to save my energy. I wasn’t sure if I would need it more desperately later.

As the crowd crawled up the FDR Drive, I saw two of my coworkers ahead of me. I pushed and slid to catch up to them. I told them I was headed to Brooklyn, and that they were welcome to come to my place if they liked. They agreed, so we took the exit for the Brooklyn Bridge. The ramp from the FDR northbound to the Brooklyn Bridge is perhaps 500 yards long and heads due west, toward the interior of the island. At its end it makes a 160-degree turn onto the bridge. While we were on the ramp, another coworker joined us, also headed to Brooklyn. Above we could see the dust and smoke everywhere, and the North Tower, standing, on fire. As we approached the turn, we heard a bizarre screech, and watched as the second tower came down. Some people began to run, but most were calm (we could see that it wasn’t falling on us this time), keeping a brisk pace to stay ahead of the dark dust cloud that approached us. I moved quickly and jumped over the fence on to the pedestrian walkway. Two men ran by me: one of them said, “You can’t breathe in that shit.” I thought that was plausible. I helped a female coworker over the railing, but I was impatient with her pace. Then she dropped her shoe and left it where it fell. We began to cross the bridge. We finally reached fresh air, and began to relax a little, although everyone seemed eager to get on solid ground as the Navy jets roared above us.

Soon we were in Brooklyn, safe. On the Brooklyn side a man was fighting with four police officers, trying to get into Manhattan. The police were stopping people from going in-bound, but this guy was intent, desperate. The police let him flail away, let his glancing punches at them go. Impossible, I thought, yet there it is. When we got closer, I could see him crying, screaming “I gotta get in, I gotta get in!” He has people down there, I thought. Gotta be. The last coworker to join us lived right over the bridge, so the two I’d met previously went to stay with her. I stopped in for some water and called my father, but I had no word from Anna, so I left soon after. I walked home on Bergen Street; many people asked me if I was alright, so I must have looked stunned. Everyone had face filters but me. I didn’t think I needed one. I made calls, and finally got in touch with Anna, who was waiting for me at 23rd Street.

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Have you no decency left, sir? At long last, have you no decency left?
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:40 AM
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71. Thank you for sharing :(
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 05:31 AM
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74. I'm glad you reposted under a better title - Great Post. Really.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:25 AM
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67. Is Bush's ad a promise of more terrorist attacks if he's elected?
Or a warning of more terrorist attacks if he isn't?
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:26 AM
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68. hmmm quite the invasion on this thread
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 01:28 AM by zwade
Fkn * should kept his head outta his ass
Running around hidding while buildings were blowing up
Earth to apologists on this thread.. HELLOO!
Eats my guts this was allowed to happen
Poll and vote steelin bastard.

oh and welcome to DU newbies :) always a warm welcome to you.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:27 AM
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72. Backfire
Would FDR have been stupid enough to use Pearl Harbor pictures to show how alert he was to danger?

Especially with all this talk about stonewalling the 9/11 commission?

Hubris and stupidity make for an ugly marriage.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 06:12 AM
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75. right
these adds will probably remind many people of the lack of WMDs, flowers, cakewalk and democracy in Iraq - the alledged reasons why many Americans (and Iraqies) died in this illegal war.
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 06:22 AM
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76. gag factor...
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 06:24 AM by imax2268
here's a transcript of one of the ads...

Bush-Cheney '04
TV: 60

"Lead"

President Bush:
One of the things that must never change is the entrepreneurial spirit of America. This country needs a President who clearly sees that.

Laura Bush:
The strength, the focus, the characteristics that these times demand.

President Bush:
And as the economy grows, the job base grows and somebody who's looking for work will be more likely to find a job. I know exactly where I want to lead this country; I know what we need to do to make the world more free and more peaceful. I know what we need to do to make sure every person has a chance at realizing the American dream. I know what we need to do to continue economic growth so people can find work, to raise the standards at schools so children can learn, to fulfill the promise to America's seniors. Americans are hard working, decent, generous people. I'm optimistic about America because I believe in the people of America.

President Bush:
I'm President Bush and I approve of this message.
:puke:
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Well...sorry Jr...many of us don't believe in you...you had 4 years to do something and you fucked it up Jr...your going back to Crawford...
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 06:30 AM
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77. Sounds disgusting to me. Unreal
what sees us through tough times? Jobs you idiot, not war and killing. Murder may see you through tough times if you ever have had any in your miserable life, though. You seem to thrive on that food.

On today's blip on the Yahoo page it says "Kerry opens eight month White House fight."

and "President Bush kicked off what promised to be a contentious and close eight month election battle with a flurry of charges and flag waving ads"

I have no doubt it will be contentious. Bush does not have the intelligence to have it be otherwise. His reactions are contentious like a two year old--he cannot parse further than that visceral reaction.



Flag waving ads--sure are right on the ball--stealing the spotlight from Kerry by this flurry of ads.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 06:59 AM
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78. Where are the bodies of the U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq?
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 07:00 AM by cboy4
Will we see them in a Bush re-election ad?
Oh, wait.....we're not allowed to see those caskets are we?
Cameras are not allowed. Outrageous.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 09:36 AM
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79. and thats the anger I feel when I see Bu#h stand in front of any soldiers
and prop himself up for re election. Shameless, when my stepson is standing in Baghdad. My anger knows no bounds.
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libview Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 09:59 AM
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80. if it gets this much attention,and it pisses off Democrats
isn't that what the Bush team is going for? He's probably givin up on his "bring the nation together" bullshit, knows that ain't gonna happen. So now it's " who cares what the Democrats say, they hate me anyway " so he's just shoring up his base.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:38 AM
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84. just saw my first $hrubco ad featuring 9/11 footage...
...SHAMELESS. Yep, that pretty much sums it up. Once again good people, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING we can do to defeat these creeps. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:57 AM
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85. Tough times?
"What sees us through tough times? Freedom, faith, families, and sacrifice," says one commercial...

What CREATES tough times? Greed, bigotry, cronyism, and generations of debt.

:headbang:
rocknation
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