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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:38 AM
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Longtime Bush* Advisor Takes Jab at Kerry
President Bush's longtime adviser Karen Hughes on Wednesday took a pointed jab at Sen. John Kerry, saying the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee lacks Bush's "message clarity."

In a speech focusing on her experiences with Bush, Hughes conceded the president's directness makes some people uncomfortable.

"You've all heard him. Good versus evil. With us or against us," Hughes said. "It's one of the things that I think makes Europe a little uncomfortable with him. It makes the Democrats a little uncomfortable, too. The Democrats' candidate for president has been having a little message clarity problem."

Hughes said Kerry "has railed against the Patriot Act, against the No Child Left Behind education reform, against free trade and NAFTA. Yet, he voted for all three of them."

(snip)

Bill Burton, a Kerry spokesman, said he agreed with Hughes about one thing.

"Bush does have a clear message the worst job loss since Herbert Hoover. You can't really be more clear than that," Burton said. "John Kerry's message has been crystal clear that he's going to create jobs and rebuild the economy that George Bush broke."

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http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040303_2917.html
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:41 AM
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1. "You've all heard him. Good versus evil. With us or against us,"...???
...insane, this woman is another one of the absolutely insane...
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:42 AM
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2. I think I would PREFER a president with...
a nuanced, complex message- because I believe that not everything can be reduced to bumper-sticker length. And I EXPECT the person running the country to be able to hold these thoughts in his/her head, instead of just repeating what he/she has been coached to say.

But I guess I'm just not 'with' the president* on this one...
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:00 AM
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11. I much prefer a president that's actually elected. ABB.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:25 AM
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17. Give it eleven months
When is the inauguration of Kerry? Third weekend in January or something?

:party:

Note: Above statement is based on supposition of Kerry winning the nomination. If otherwise, replace with any non-Bush* entity and repeat.
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eileen from OH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:42 AM
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3. when they have to pull Karen Hughes out AGAIN
you know there is trouble in Bushland.

eileen from OH
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:11 AM
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14. LOL
Hello from Zanesville by btw:)
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:43 AM
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4. Actually its the fact that he is clearly wrong that makes me uncomfortable
Nice try Karen!
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Randomthought Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:46 AM
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5. Nasty Karen
Karen is getting shrill again.
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Tuttle Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 07:45 AM
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32. Everytime my family sees her on the tube...
we all start singing Darth Vader's theme --

Glad to see her back: that means Cheney is unhappy with Rove. There will probably be visible signs of friction very soon!

Tut-tut
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:49 AM
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6. She belongs with the rest of them
While walking down the street one day, George "Dubya" Bush is
shot by a disgruntled NRA member. His soul arrives in heaven and he is
met by St. Peter at the Pearly Gates.

"Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it
seems there is a problem: We seldom see a Republican around these parts,
so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in; I'm a believer." says Dubya.

"I'd like to just let you in, but I have orders from the Man
Himself: He says you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in
Heaven. Then you must choose where you'll live for eternity."

"But, I've already made up my mind; I want to be in Heaven."

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules." And with that, St. Peter
escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to
Hell.
The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush golf
course; the sun is shining in a cloudless sky, the temperature a perfect
72 degrees.

In the distance is a beautiful clubhouse. Standing in front of it
his dad...and thousands of other Republicans who had helped him out
over the years... Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Jerry Falwell.... The whole of

the "Right" was there...everyone laughing...happy.... casually but
expensively dressed.

They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good
times they had getting rich at expense of the "suckers and peasants".
They
play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar. The
Devil himself comes up to Bush with a frosty drink, "Have a Margarita
and relax, Dubya!"

"Uh, I can't drink no more, I took a pledge," says Junior, dejectedly.

"This is Hell, son: you can drink and eat all you want and not
worry, and it just gets better from there!"

Dubya takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he
thinks is a really very friendly guy who tells funny jokes and pulls
hilarious nasty pranks, kind of like a Yale Skull and Bones brother with
real
horns.

They are having such a great time that, before he realizes it,
it's time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Bush steps on
the
elevator and heads upward.

When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and St.
Peter is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit Heaven," the old man
says, opening the gate.

So for 24 hours Bush is made to hang out with a bunch of
honest, good-natured people who enjoy each other's company, talk
about things other than money, and treat each other decently. Not a
nasty prank or frat boy joke among them; no fancy country clubs and,
while
the food tastes great, it's not caviar or lobster. And these people are
all poor, he doesn't see anybody he knows, and he isn't even treated
like
someone special!

Worst of all, to Dubya, Jesus turns out to be some kind of Jewish
hippie with his endless 'peace' and 'do unto others' jive.

"Whoa," he says uncomfortably to himself, "Pat Robertson never
prepared me for this!"

The day done, St. Peter returns and says, "Well, then, you've
spent a day in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to
live for eternity."

With the 'Jeopardy' theme playing softly in the background,
Dubya reflects for a minute, then answers: "Well, I would never
have thought I'd say this -- I mean, Heaven has been delightful and
all --but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends."

So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down,
down, down, all the way to Hell. The doors of the elevator open and he
is in the middle of a barren scorched earth covered with garbage and toxic
industrial waste.. kind of like Houston. He is horrified to see
all of his friends, dressed in rags and chained together, picking up the

trash and putting it in black bags. They are groaning and moaning in
pain, faces and hands black with grime. The Devil comes over to Dubya
and puts an arm around his shoulder.

"I don't understand," stammers a shocked Dubya, "Yesterday I was
here and there was a golf course and a clubhouse and we ate lobster and
caviar... I drank booze. We screwed around and had a great time. Now there's
just a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable!"

The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly, and purrs, "Yesterday we
were campaigning; today you voted for us."
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:54 AM
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7. Brutal
n/t
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:59 AM
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9. Am I confused
or is this the same Karen that ole' Shrub was a shaggin?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:02 AM
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12. If that's really the case, Junior must have thought he was...
...stumpin' the cow.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:28 AM
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18. eeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:00 AM
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10. I love this joke -
this is by far, the best Bush joke that I have read to date.
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AngryYoungMan Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:02 AM
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13. Fantastic.
Like The Simpsons by way of Stephen King. Great stuff.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:41 AM
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20. it's actually a variation on a 50-year-old Israeli joke
I think it's David Ben-Gurion at the pearly gates, and the punchline goes something like "yesterday you were a tourist, now you actually have to live here..."

It's also a Bill Gates joke (St. Peter: "Yesterday? That was a demo.")
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:22 AM
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16. Oh thankyou
I just printed this to give to my roomate's Republican boss.:P
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:46 AM
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21. story
Terrific story...may I quote you?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 06:48 AM
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29. No, not me
It was another DUer...unfortunately I do not have the original post and don't remember the source.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 04:09 AM
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25. Sweet.
That about says it all. Thnx for the laugh.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:58 AM
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8. Excuse me, but didn't we hear this message from Junior?...
"You're either with us, or against us"?

Karen has either forgotten this, or she must be getting senile.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:30 AM
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19. we also heard "Dead or Alive..."
...I'd like to see the press corps get a collective spine and throw the quotes back in 'er face...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:18 AM
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15. Horrible shrew
They have come out with all guns a-blazin. This is going to be fun.

How about a little more "clarity" about those helium balloon launcher/Bio weapons labs, 3 million+ lost jobs, no child left behind, Osama, Ken Lay, global warming, gasoline shortages now after we "bought" Iraq -- just for starters.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:59 AM
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22. What kind of clarity would that be?
The Say one thing do another clarity.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 03:15 AM
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23. Karen Huge, Smackdown Into Republican Clarity...(photo attached)
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 03:15 AM by I AM SPARTACUS
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 03:42 AM
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24. she talking about bush* or did she get the wrong set of memos?
"You've all heard him. Good versus evil. With us or against us," Hughes said. "It's one of the things that I think makes Europe a little uncomfortable with him......"

talk about lack of clarity.... sheesh....

regarding good v evil -- anyone have a grand total of how many times bush* and his bush*babies have used the term evil, evil duers.. etc since Sept. 11?
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 05:00 AM
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26. It's that kind of logical fallacy that makes him look like a stupid,Karen
You can look up logical fallacy on the net and perhaps next speech you won't say such stupid things. There is nothing admirable or clear about his saying, good vs evil, or with us or against us. It is just plain platitudes , trite and childlike.

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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 05:54 AM
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27. Karen returns...ahh, just like the good ol' days
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 06:26 AM
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28. Yeah, we've all heard him say this stuff, Karen. That's why we
think he is an IDIOT and should not be president. Sheesh. Stop acting like this turd is eloquent or something.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 06:58 AM
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30. Laughable
This from the woman who has been caught mouthing the appropriate words and phrases to Bush when he lacks clarity (which is much too often)

<"You've all heard him. Good versus evil. With us or against us,"

Actually the problem is that no one knows the meaning of his words when he says it. His boisterous rhetoric makes people uncertain and confused as to what his policy is -basically words without a clear policy. As was (and sadly still is) evidenced in Iraq

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 07:08 AM
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31. hello???
bush doesn't have a message problem...karen, are we talking about the same w -- the guy that can barely make a coherent thought jump off his lips?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 08:17 AM
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33. TOday Show (1 hours ago)~"9/11 is not a tragedy it is shared experience"
A shared experience that changed America not only in foreign policy but in every way"

That is a close quote-no link yet. Katie Couric pretty much grilled her (taped interview) about the 9/11 images appearing in the first Bush ads. The Wolfen (Hughes) said that this was just the first round and looked quite PO'ed that someone dare question the positive message that the President is putting forward.

She then went onto balme 9/11 for pretty much everything.

Couric asked why Iraq is not mentioned in the ads ~"Does he think he is vulnerable on Iraq?" Hughes responded that she had not been to Iraq but that she just got back from Afghanistan and she was sure that the people of Iraq feel much the same as the people of Afghanistan-they appreciate what we... er THE PRESDIENT that is has done for them.......... and then the interview was strangely cut short.
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 08:21 AM
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34. "You've all heard him. Good versus evil. With us or against us,"
That sounds more like Shrubby than Kerry!
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 08:51 AM
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35. I saw this ....
And I couldn't help see it as an SNL skit. Karen Hughes looks like one the cast members (past? present ? not sure what her name is). I was expecting to see Will Ferrell come out and say a bunch of stupid stuff.

Is it any wonder AWOL is so stupid when you get a look at the people he has surrounded himself with.

I think the first wave of ads are really going to piss off people who are not aware or undecided about the election.

Cheers
Drifter
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 09:48 AM
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36. "Message clarity"=Simpleton
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 10:46 AM
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37. Kerry spokesman's response was great!
awesome in fact.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:50 AM
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38. ahh, karen hughes....longtime wet nurse to the beast...
...you just have to wonder, how does she sleep at night?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:08 PM
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40. and did it hurt...
...when she had 666 tattooed on her titties???
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:32 PM
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42. Remember that nurse that followed Damien around
in "The Omen", ever present, always up to no good? That's KH's role--nursemaid to the spawn of evil.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 08:59 PM
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46. LOL!
good call
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:01 PM
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39. It makes the entire world nervous because we know he's NUTS,`
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 12:07 PM by ignatius
Karen. He put countries on the asix of evil, began murdering civilians and getting our troops killed, then turns a blind eye to the evil in Pakistan where there is proof they have been arming a good part of the world with nukes.

The guy hasn't got a clue, he thinks he's chosen by God to rule the world, make life and death pronouncements when in reality he has'nt the wherewithal to take out yesterday's garbage.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:30 PM
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41. Message clarity
Last year Hughes was off to some one-horse town to be a soccer mom. Now she's giving campaign speeches.
Could we have some "clarity" as to what this woman actually does?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:50 PM
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43. see above posts... nursemaid and nannie to "the beast"
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 03:07 PM
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44. so... "message clarity" means "oversimplified fairy-tale bullshit"
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 03:19 PM by enki23
or, as some smart guy once referred to similar writings by her ideological predecessors: (paraphrased) "a parody of a fairy tale, the kind you'd be embarassed to read to your grandchildren."

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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 04:25 PM
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45. "message clarity" is laughable on it's face
"imminent threat", "32,000 liters of botulism" ad infinitum followed several months later by "I never said that" or "that's not what i meant".
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