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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 02:00 PM Original message |
Fort Hood suspect warned of threats within the ranks-Cited stress facing Muslims |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. if all this is true, then the Army is looking to take bigger and bigger shares of the blame |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. LOL |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Nope. His superiors are also responsible for him -- that's their job. |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I disagree |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Predicting human behavior is both a task of the military |
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BennyD (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. "predicting human behavior" |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. What the hell is "the doctrine of political correctness?" nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. People who deal with psychosis in their own brains or in the brains of others |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. you fail to understand psychology (or psychiatry) |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Whatever Paul. I know crisis prediction works |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. human beings are remarkably complex and unpredictable |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I sort of agree with all of that and yet, it speaks more to |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. there are all sorts of concerns |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Therapists are required by their employers to have check ups. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. i don't think we know at this point |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. That's what matters to me. So, either this guy did get check ups and passed them |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. if he did pass them, he would not be the first |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. A psychotic person unravelling is pretty obvious |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. and we don't know that he was psychotic |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. Well, showing up at work to kill a bunch of people is not normal human behavior. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Actually, it is. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. No, it's not normal behavior to go to work and shoot people. |
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Syntheto (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Whas dis, bro.... |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. except it's not. you can't even read |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. A 1,000 times thank you |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
69. It seems from various early reports |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. how true |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. interesting that, as a muslim, he mirrors the far right anti-muslim argument |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You're misrepresenting what he said. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. oh, please enlighten me |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Yes, you are. His position is not right or left wing. It's common sense: |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. you failed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Nope. His words are right there for you to read. n/t |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. and his words support my case hth |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. He was talking about stress reduction and avoiding crisis. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. he warned about adverse events |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Yes, he did warn about adverse events. It's too bad no one listened to him. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. and lots of people on the far right |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Someone much more trained than I am might say |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. yes, he did say that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Then please show me the words. Thanks. n/t |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. i already have |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Right. And the rest is yours. n/t |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. And if they had removed him... |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. ironic, that! |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. I don't think so, he wanted to be removed. they wouldn't let him go. nt |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Not remove him from the military... |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
80. Rocket Scientist |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. can't be trusted. no he said it is stupid to send muslims off to kill muslims. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. he said exactly what i said he said |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. you said shouldn't be trusted. he is saying exactly the opposite. he is saying the |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. no, he is saying |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. are you a republican? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. are you? classic evasion techinique. accuse the person who disagrees with you |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. then why do you think it is a "good" thing to "fight for your country" in Iraq |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. i didn't say that |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Yes he was, he not only requested CO status to not go to the war, he suggested that be permissable f |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. here's a hint for you |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. fight em over there, right? I get your position......heard it somewhere before. |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
91. let me pose this question to you |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. Don't want to go to war? Don't join the military. period. |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
7. I've never heard of soldiers of any other religion |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. US residents and citizens of Japanese descent had to fight from the camps |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. The War with Mexico is an example |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
79. Is it verified that they all deserted because of religion? |
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forum slut (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
12. I was stationed at fort hood. there were shootings all the time that you never heard about |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. After all the reports of neglect and negligence that our service people |
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forum slut (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
68. it's a highly charged atmosphere to begin with made all the worse by |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. I was stationed at Fort Hood too... |
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forum slut (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
67. before I shiiped out o Bosnia in 1998, there were at least half a dozen shootings |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Bosnia? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
36. Did the British send devout Catholic troops into Northern Ireland? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. then don't fucking join the military. duh. |
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SacramentoBlue (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
54. The sad part is there are more potential stress-victims that may strike |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
73. Did you ACTUALLY just imply Hasan is a VICTIM? |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
60. Not an excuse for anyone to do what he did |
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hollowdweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
62. Muslims have been killing fellow Muslims before Mohammed was even cold. |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
63. "allow Muslims [sic] Soldiers the option of being released as 'Conscientious objectors' " |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Maybe he shouldn't have volunteered or resigned up |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. you cannot expect a young person to be the same & think the same 6 yrs. later |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Major Hasan is 39 years old |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. 1997. n/t |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #77 |
93. Agreed, but |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. Are you kidding me? |
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BrightKnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. Mr. Hasan is just another Charles Whitman. He is NOT a CO! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
84. CO status is something you establish pro-actively in order to avoid being drafted into service |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
65. The only difference between Hasan and the 911 highjackers is |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
70. I hope they also charge him with hate crimes as well as murder. |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-10-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. he got what he wanted...hes out of the army...but his ass is grass... |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. He will be tried in a military court |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
90. Yeah too bad....NT |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
87. He was worried about mutiny |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Sounds like projection |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Yep. Just like that. He was telegraphing his stuff for years |
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