Indians are head-and-shoulders above other immigrants in US: Forbes

[AlphaCentauri]

Source: Indo-Asian News Service

Pepsico chief executive Indira Nooyi inevitably tops the list of what Forbes calls "Eight Indian-Flavoured CEOs" who lead US corporations with revenues of at least $2 billion as the premier business magazine chronicles the rise of Indians in corporate ranks in America.

"The chief executive of PepsiCo would be prominent no matter what. The fact that the current one - Indira Nooyi - is an Indian immigrant (and female, in case you've been living under a rock) makes her all the more noteworthy," it says.

"It's not a not a surprise that we're seeing Indians rise in corporate ranks," Forbes quotes Richard Herman, co-author of a book on migrants to the US, Immigrant, Inc, as saying in an article published Monday.

"Of all the immigrant groups coming in today, Indians are head-and-shoulders above others, and this is partly because of their English language skills and also the advanced education that many of them are bringing to the US."



Read more: http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/india/Indians-head-and-shoulders-above-other-immigrants-in-US-Forbes/Article1-489154.aspx

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The jobs Americans don't want to do

:sarcasm:

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[Skittles]

6. no, I'm not

I am someone who speaks from long-time experience

[thestoic]

50. i

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[pnwmom]

7. I see. They're all the same, are they? n/t

[thestoic]

49. j

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[neuvocat]

2. Behind every fortune there's a crime.

CEO's stand head and shoulders above everyone else after standing on top of them to move up in the world.

[boppers]

3. Racist, nationalist, drivel.

Of course, I expect the same kind of drivel in responses.

[pampango]

8. Immigrants can't win with some folks. If they are poor or doing blue collar jobs, they get blamed

for being a drag on society or taking jobs from poor Americans. If they are economically successful, they get sarcastically blamed for taking "jobs that Americans won't do" or being hard to work for (try making that accusation against a racial, ethnic or gender group of Americans and see what our progressive board does to you).

There's not indication in the article that any of the immigrants came here illegally or stayed here illegally, so opposition to their success at jobs that provide employment for many Americans must be because they are immigrants and not native-born Americans rather than any legal status issues. That does clarify things. I agree - drivel indeed.

[boppers]

10. It's america.

If you aren't native american, you're an immigrant.

Simple as that.

[architect359]

17. +1

EOM

[MellowDem]

25. I've heard this tired cliche so many times...

and guess what, Native Americans immigrated here as well. And actually, the Europeans who came and settled in the US were not immigrants, they were colonists/invaders. They took the land and those who came to that conquered land known as the US later on were immigrants. But, as has happened throughout history, the conquerers soon become the new "natives" until another group comes along and conquers them.

So no, it's not simple as that, not at all.

[Xicano]

64. -10000

Please allow me to retort to this dribble. When Native Americans arrived in the Americas there was no one already here so that makes Native Americans the true settlers and rightful owners of this land. When Europeans came here Native Americans had already been here for tens of thousands of years and settled all of it. Their acts of "colonizing/invading" as you put it is just a more sterilized way of saying they were thieves who acquired someone else's property by the barrel of a gun.

Your logic now is that a group of armed people taking property by force of arms is legitimate. If that's the case then its just as legitimate when a group of bloods or crips rob someone's property (like when they hit a bank or casino) by force of arms and the rightful owners of this stolen property no longer are the legitimate and rightful owners. There is NO difference between these two acts. You may like to wish that there's a difference, but, indeed there's NO difference. So in your logic armed ganges such as the bloods and the crips are no different than the United States as a whole. Scoff at that all you wish, but, its what you just said.

Also for anybody who subscribes to the argument that Israel has a right to exist because it is the "native" land of the Jewish people, but, at the same time you prescribe to MellowDem's logic of "colonists/invaders" as a legitimate establishment of "new natives" here in America. Then I am sorry, but, you're a hypocrite.

n/t

[Vehl]

68. + 1

When Native Americans arrived in the Americas there was no one already here so that makes Native Americans the true settlers and rightful owners of this land.

Exactly.

[MellowDem]

69. I think you misunderstood...

So arriving in a land first makes one the "rightful owner"? Really? According to who or what? And I wasn't sterilizing it at all. The Europeans were colonizers and invaders, and they forcibly took the land from the Native Americans, though I don't see how the NAs being here for thousands of years makes it more "rightfully theirs". Perhaps you could explain?

And my argument wasn't that taking property by force is legitimate, it's that what the Europeans did was no differnent than what every other group of people did throughout history. Indeed, you pretend that Native Americans are one people, but they came over in successive waves of immigration, and formed very different tribes and groups, which, believe it or not, invaded, conquered, and slaughtered other preceding "natives" before them. They were no different. So to pretend that Native Americans have some sort of special "native" status is ridiculous and false. That was my argument.

[Garam_Masala]

56. +1000

[The Stranger]

65. /1000 + xy + 2xy (a-b)^x

[snooper2]

60. Actually since man moved from Africa to other continents...

so, how are you want to take that line of thought? :rofl:

[Kolesar]

12. Where is this "opposition to their success" that you are referring to?

Is it in the article?

[pampango]

13. In the OP, not in the article.

Perhaps I mistook the comment:

"The jobs Americans don't want to do

:sarcasm:"

as a sentiment that these immigrants had really good jobs that "rightfully" belonged to Americans.

[Kolesar]

14. The Original Poster put the :Sarcasm: tag on it, that means it was intended as a joke...eom

[AlphaCentauri]

39. exactly

see what people really think
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4180791#4182226

[nyy1998]

19. +1

As an Indian-American with two hard-working parents from India(they're both naturalized citizens). Some of the talk on this board frankly disgusts me. They came here because the US was a better country then the one they came from. That's true of immigrants from Ireland, Poland, or much of Eastern Europe. But I don't see any criticisms of those immigrants. Nope, let's criticize Indians for coming to this country and doing what they're supposed to do, work hard and assimilate to the local culture.

[maxsolomon]

27. if this board existed in the 1850's

you'd see MUCH worse talk against poor european immigrants than you see here against asian immigrants today.

race relations in america have VASTLY improved in the last 50 years.

[nyy1998]

51. True, but there's clearly a long way to go

When there's still resentment because of an unrelated economic issue shows there's still serious racial issues that need to be addressed.


P.S. Besides, most of us wouldn't have been Democrats in the 1850s anyway.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

53. I have the same family situation as you, and I agree.

Any time India/Indians are brought up on DU, the default response is some stupid post about outsourcing/offshoring, even if that's not what the article is about.

The irony is that if you were to make disparaging remarks about certain Latin American immigrants who come here illegally, you'd instead receive a lecture about US imperialism and trade policy while being told that the immigrants were just here to make a better life for themselves. I guess only when the "good jobs" are involved do people give a rat's ass about labor.

[Vehl]

61. I second that.

"Any time India/Indians are brought up on DU, the default response is some stupid post about outsourcing/offshoring, even if that's not what the article is about."

And lets not forget the "for Mangos" comment one gets when someone posts anything about India producing/making a deal with a country.


I'm really sick and tired of this quasi-racist attitude that's becoming so prevalent in DU nowadays. It's this sense of "entitlement" that keeps them from accepting that the world has changed a lot from the last time they read about India in their textbooks..probably some semi-informed drivel at that...about cows and godmen...


Your post is right on the money. +1


also, as some poster posted above, the immigrants from south America are derided for doing jobs "that Americans wont do" and Indians get the heat for "taking" "American" jobs.

I guess only when the "good jobs" are involved do people give a rat's ass about labor.

You hit the nail on the head!

[ChangoLoa]

29. You're all immigrants, gringos

:evilgrin:

[maxsolomon]

35. Not me

My family BUILT the Bering Land Bridge. Everyone else is the immigrant. I'm just an Emigrant. ;)

[ChangoLoa]

40. Ha

Maybe our "families" were together in that time of frozen seas. After discovering America, some of our people enjoyed the cold and some went south. Mine stopped their walk when they reached a huge lake they later called Maracaibo.

Isn't American xenophobia the most hypocrite attitude on earth?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

52. Off-topic, but I love your avatar.

"M" is an awesome movie.

[Vehl]

62. Exactly!

great post.

[paulsby]

4. it's not racist

it's factual. if it says facts about indian immigrants vs. other demographics that's not racist.

if i say men are about 10 times as likely to commit several varieties of violent crime as women is that sexist?

no. it's simply a fact.

the fact is (and it's always been true) that different immigrant groups have different levels of success in our society.

i think it's a great data point that shows that americans are a lot less racist than many people here claim. many people said obama could never get elected president. "we're too racist".

the fact is that several immigrant groups do much BETTER than whites on average, which is interesting if the dominant white power structure is allegedly so racist. japanese americans for instance, make significantly higher incomes on average than whites, are better educated, and are less likely to be either victims or perpetrators of crime.

that's not racist. it's simply facts.

[NJCher]

9. Big deal

the fact is that several immigrant groups do much BETTER than whites on average, which is interesting if the dominant white power structure is allegedly so racist.

Better? What's "better?" This is a study put together by Forbes, who exults capitalism, rabid, unbridled capitalism, at that.

More specifically, they're talking about rising in the ranks of American corporate culture. Whoop-do-doo. The main qualifications for that, if Enron, nearly all banks, and insurance companies are any measure, is a blind eye toward profit at the expense of all else: humanity and concern for the environment are just a few.

So excuse me if I'm not impressed that Indians are "head and shoulders" above other immigrant groups. All it says to me is that they are better at picking up the sociopathy of the corporation.

I spent too many years of my working life in Fortune 100 companies, so I do know of what I speak.


Cher

[Kolesar]

11. "All it says to me is that they are better at picking up the sociopathy of the corporation."

That's a thinker.

Hey, I am still picking lettuce and spinach from under the cold frame.

[paulsby]

21. lol on the thinker

like i said, let's look at japanese american. we are not talking about "sociopathy of corporation" when we talk about lower crime rate, lower crime victimization rate, better life expectancy, lower out of wedlock birth rate, and higher education level.

any rational person would say those are positive things

you can leave out the income (which is also better), since it's just a manifestation of that "evul sociopathy of the corporation"

wow, a reflexive "corporations are bad, mmmkay". what inciteful analysis.

[paulsby]

20. you can evade the evidence all you want

but most rational people would say a group that has (i am speaking japanese americans here) higher average incomes, lower crime rate, lower crime victimization rate, better longevity, lower divorce rate, lower out of wedlock birth rate, etc. does "better" than the average. those are all positive things. otoh, it is true that they have a higher suicide rate (also a cultural thing, like everything else), which is not "better"

[WriteDown]

36. You don't need Forbes. Just check the census...

Check out percentage of college education among Asians compared to all other ethnic groups.

[AngryAmish]

45. Even better measure: venereal disease rates

Asians at the bottom. Why?

[PeaknikB]

23. Chain migration leads to unskilled immigrants

Indians tend to be more successful because they are better educated, they aren't being brought over through chain migration like Central and South Americans or Somali pastoral farmers.

Realistically though, immigration at this point in time is ridiculous, all it does is increase the labor pool and drive down wages. It is not the 19th century and there are no more open spaces. All this nonsense of immigration being sacrosanct will dry up once we're in a depression. They're fed the same lies over in the UK and other European countries.

[AngryAmish]

46. Plenty of chain immigrants of Indian/Pakistani desent

My FIL got a student visa, got commission in the army, brought his 2 brothers, mother and father over. There are just fewer of them.

[MellowDem]

26. +1 nt

[LiberalFighter]

15. Did they really obtain their advanced education in India?

Or did some or all of them obtain it in the US?

[architect359]

16. Does that really matter that much to you?

Want to hunt down all that information? Want to hunt down all that information regarding U.S. citizens as well to see who went overs seas for their advanced degrees / education?

[LiberalFighter]

18. Boy are you snippy

[provis99]

22. you are salty today, aren't you?

what's up, you grumpy because your significant other won't spank you with a paddle as your Christmas present?

[Honeycombe8]

28. I think I know the answer to that. Saw a documentary about India and education.

India provides free education, including college and beyond, to those who make the grade. I don't know how choosy the government is, since it's not just the Einsteins. But if you make the grade and qualify, the government pays for it all, including room and board.

In the documentary, it was remarkable how those students acted. They lived, breathed, and ate their studies. They didn't hang out at night having keg parties or whatever. They come from modest or poor backgrounds, and they apparently recognize that an education is the way out of poverty. They seemed, in the documentary, to take it very seriously and appreciate the opportunity. I think the Indian culture in families and in the public arena also fosters learning and education.

What the government gets in return is a very educated population. The government requires the students to work in India for a certain number of years, in return for the free education. Then they are free to go work anywhere in the world they like. And they do. They go to Great Britain and the U.S. and make a lot more money than they could in India. I presume their work ethic is similar to their studying ethic, which means they make good employees.

It was an interesting documentary. Imagine....free education all the way through to graduate school.

[AngryAmish]

47. Indian population is not very well educated as a whole

There are some elite schools but most of the kids want to get into US and British universities.

[HipChick]

32. Some of the best schools are in India

[KamaAina]

42. Quite a few of them did

google "iit indian institute of technology". Six elite campuses. Oddly, none in the tech capital of Bangalore. :shrug:

[Garam_Masala]

57. Most of them did, including yours truly

I did not exactly rise to be a CEO (engineers seldom do
in US, only in Germany that is common), but I did OK.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

24. Get over it, most of them have been Americans for decades,

Indra Nooyi became a US Citizen in 1990!

[ChangoLoa]

30. Above WASPs?

:evilgrin:

[PeaknikB]

31. Sorta

Indians in India... No.

Indians in the U.S... maybe

Those that make it here are self selected and generally have a job lined up.
You'd see the same thing if Ireland wanted immigration from the U.S. and required the immigrants to be highly educated, they'd do better when looked at as a group then compared to the native populations.

[ChangoLoa]

41. Brain drain works quite well for the US

Some 3rd world countries should consider applying a tax on "qualified emigration". In this case, the US are receiving the yield of an investment that was not made by them, but by 3rd World states/households. That investment goes from the food to the education they have been given in their countries of origin and the yield is the wealth they produce where they live.

Or is this a stupid article talking about American "natives" with Indian parents?

[Vehl]

66. True,maybe not the ones in india, but the ones here?

Those who move here generally have a better education. But then again, a lot of immigrant communities historically do better than the national average, so its nothing exceptional.



The 2007 census data

National household income 50k
whites 55k
East Asians 61k
Indian Americans with 83k are currently the highest income earning group


4 year degrees
National Average 28%
Indian Americans 69%
East Asians 51%
White Americans 30%


http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/013385.html

[conspirator]

33. Yeah sure. Those H1B "highly" payed indian programmers

have done wonders to IT salaries.
:sarcasm:
Of course it is not the immigrant's fault.
But we should call bullshit on the corporate propaganda that has killed IT.

[PeaknikB]

34. What's good for the big corps is good for America!

Just ask Bill Gates!

[Romulox]

37. Does the OP even understand why the stuff she posts is offensive?

:shrug:

[AlphaCentauri]

38. Did you notice how the xenophobes stay away from this treat?

[Romulox]

44. "treat"? Do you mean "thread"? You've been challenged plenty of times on this thread.

I have no idea about this "treat" to which you refer. :wtf:


Either way, reality says hi! :silly:

[AlphaCentauri]

54. Pardon for my dyslexia, LOL, now what was that you were writing about?

:hi:

[KamaAina]

43. Chinese-Americans must be devastated

looks like they just lost their coveted status as the "model minority".

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[pitohui]

48. then they should spend less time in the poker room

we all have a weakness and for a lot of the chinese it seems to be gambling

[mainer]

67. They do seem to love their games of chance.

There's a reason Las Vegas casino owners love Chinese tourists so much. And there are entire hotels that cater almost solely to Hawaiian-Chinese visitors.

[Garam_Masala]

58. Indians outnumber Chinese 10:1 in CEO type positions

in my observation over 25 years.

[Vehl]

63. I agree! The "model minority" title reeks of the patronizing attitude of some

We immigrants should steer clear from placing much emphasis on these titles...as they create the illusion that unless we are called a "model minority" by the majority we are somehow found wanting.lol

[Withywindle]

55. Indian-"Flavoured"!?

WTF? Did somebody lick them all? Do they taste like curry?

That's some weirdly racist phrasing there.

[Ignis]

59. Not sure about the taste, but most CEOs smell like asafoetida.

;)