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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:34 AM
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Madrid bombs tilt Spain left
Madrid - Spain's governing rightwing Popular Party (PP) had hoped to go into Sunday elections on the strength of its economic record, but this week's bombings in Madrid have torn a gaping hole in its calculations.

Outgoing Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar will not stand in the poll which he hopes will be won by handpicked successor Mariano Rajoy, who has promised to chase "full employment" in a country whose jobless rate remains the highest in the eurozone.

After Thursday's carnage which killed 200 people, the state of the jobs market and three years of zero public sector deficits will count for very little.

Aznar's government was still insisting on Saturday it believed Basque separatist group ETA was responsible despite competing claims Islamic fundamentalists were to blame.

But whoever is responsible, the only issue engaging Spain's 34 million electorate will be which government can best deal with the aftermath of the four co-ordinated train bombings.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1497761,00.html
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:41 AM
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1. The difference between how 3/11 is handled there and 9/11 here is amazing
Edited on Sat Mar-13-04 11:42 AM by underpants
The first thing you heard was of investigations into who is responsible for these horrible attacks and not a call to war as was done here. I don't know how it will play out (Will the Spanish govenrment take huge military action against the Basque region?)but they started the process by INVESTIGATING it.

Also those in power when it happened (by this article) are being held accountable as it happened "on their watch" -I believe the saying was.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 11:49 AM
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2. I think the Spanish government's response has been deplorable!
They're still claiming it was the ETA, which it obviously wasn't.

Amnzar is as big a whore as Bush. He joined Dumbo's little folly of oil and revenge, lying and saying it was to fight terrorism. It wasn't, and it diverted resources and attention away from the real terrorists, who have regrouped, and blindsided the government of Spain.

The truly disgusting thing about all this is that Dumbo hasn't even tried to fight terrorism--and we are so fucking unsafe!

Impeach the lying bastards!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 12:12 PM
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5. I'm sure Spains enemy list has grown since siding with the U.S.
for both overt and covert operations around the world. Interesting timing of this attack as regards their elections...
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 12:07 PM
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3. Saw a headline in LBL yesterday
saying that rage at the bombings would tilt the country to the right.

I guess we'll have to see what happens. Do they use Diebold?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 12:09 PM
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4. I was remembering the same thing
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 12:16 PM
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6. That's why the 'who' is so important
& why Aznar et al are still saying it was ETA. The socialist party are calling for all Spanish troops to leave Iraq because, amongst other things, their presence there & participation in the war make Spain unsafe.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 01:30 PM
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10. The ETA theory will evaporate
right after the election this weekend, when the Spanish government no longer has any vested interest in promoting that theory.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 01:52 PM
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13. yeah -- I agree
apparently, there's already protests going on from Spaniards demanding the government to come clean about everything they know before the election.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:33 PM
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19. I thought about something similar here
just before the election. A major "attack" just in time to declare martial law and cancel the elections.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 01:19 PM
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8. I think they, terrorist. hear what gets them what they want.
We have not heard what they want but my guess would be out of Iraq if its that group or the change in Sp rule in the country as it has been since as long as I can recall. When we get out of the Middle East our terrorist will most likely stop, also, but how do we give up 'our' oil that some how got under their sand?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 01:25 PM
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9. What they want is perfectly clear.
It's just that nobody wants to deal with it.

Stop targeting us, release our prisoners and leave our land
and we will stop attacking you. The people of the US allied
countries have to put pressure on their governments to immediately
end their alliance with the US in the war against terror (Islam).
If you persist we will also continue.


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2CDD53D6-7AF7-40C7-AF88-32A16072F81B.htm
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JoeKSimmons Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:09 PM
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16. Why not give in to their blackmail?
Then any extremist groups that whines and screams loud enough will be able to get the same. Just think...the PA could finally run the Jews into the sea like they have expressed a desire to do for decades.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:15 PM
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17. Surely you jest. You never seemed like a quitter before. nt
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:21 PM
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18. Why not give in to their blackmail?
exactly.. that would be like if the US pulled out of SA like UBL wanted. :eyes:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:36 PM
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20. Yes, or when Israel withdrew from S. Lebanon.
Next thing some lefty pinko will suggest unilateral
withdrawal from Gaza or some such thing.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 01:39 PM
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11. well thats it then//Bush and Blair and Aznar and the rest
are the biggest terrorists in the world and have yet more blood on their hands.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 01:47 PM
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12. They must be getting dizzy...yesterday they were tilting right!
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CShine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 01:56 PM
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14. Sorry, but not a single word in that story backs up that headline.
There is not a single word in there that says Spain has shifted further to the left over this.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-04 02:05 PM
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15. True. Mostly speculation and generalizations. nt
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