'Disruptive' passenger prompts 2nd alert on Detroit-bound jet

[Arrowhead2k1]

Source: CNN

(CNN) -- A Northwest Airlines jet was met by police at Detroit, Michigan's airport Sunday after its flight crew reported a "verbally disruptive" passenger, airline and airport officials said.

The crew of the Amsterdam, Netherlands-to-Detroit flight requested assistance two days after a man was accused of attempting to set off an explosive device aboard a jet flying the same route. Passengers were being let off the jetliner after landing, according to Susan Elliott, a spokeswoman for Delta Air Lines, which owns Northwest.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/12/27/airline.attack.security/index.html

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The nation is getting terrorist crazy all over again. It's almost like 9/11 just happened up there. Just goes to show, the terrorist don't even need to be successful to seriously distrupt our way of life in this country. Who do we need to invade now to make us feel better? Truly pathetic.

[timeforpeace]

1. What an odd take. Terrorist caught trying to blow up plane and our reaction has you pissed.

[spooked911]

3. what an odd comment from someone with a username of "timeforpeace"

1) terrorism is a scam to enable the militarists
2) our policies are only making things worse
3) we, as a country, totally over-react to a minor threat

[timeforpeace]

7. Maybe you need to be seated next to one of these guys when it happens.

[spooked911]

8. one of "what" guys?

is that a threat?

I'm saying our anti-terror policies are bullshit.

We're being scammed.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_says_at_l.html

[timeforpeace]

12. The guys trying to blow up planes. What would you have done on that flight?

[goclark]

38. Read my Post yesterday about being on a Plane with a man

I was on NORTH WEST leaving Detroit a few months before 9/ll.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7325854

Trust me, being on a plane, even before 9/11, with someone acting very strange and angry is scary and should be investigated completely.

Believe me now or believe me later -- they are "testing the system" .

[peacetalksforall]

49. We have no idea which alarm is genuine. I tend not to believe anything

related to Homeland Security (Patriot Act schemes). I think terrorists can be 'groomed' or 'brain washed' by our own psy-op division of our multiple, multiple intelligence agencies or contractors - Blackwater, Israel, Israel Mossad, even Interpol, maybe Mafia of any country? We have been lied to so excessively - from declared safe voting machines to duct tape to beheadings on camera to terrorists with bombs. Do you think our operatives have gone on vacation?

Since there are so many carryovers from Cheney-Bush to Obama, who knows what is genuine?

Passionately petitioning the Supreme Court to continue torture and learning about disappearing people who have been yanked off the street or from a prison doesn't provde much grounds for believing anything.

Who do you want to trust? Who do you believe?

[JonQ]

13. You think the latest guy was made up?

Never happened?

Don't tell people on that flight, they're still committed to the lie.

And there are a bunch of folks in new york who are still convinced that terrorism is a real thing (thousands even pretended to disappear for nearly a decade to complete the illusion).

[maleficentia]

23. The sensationalism continues

A guy with intestinal issues... and the tv reality news goes into overdrive.....

[JonQ]

25. I didn't realize intestinal issues caused your pants to burst in to flames

Must have been some pretty intense mexican food.

I wonder what those guys ate on 9/11?

[maleficentia]

26. ummm

"You think the latest guy was made up?". <<--- was responding to this, not the flaming pants guy, but... yes, if the intestinal issues are bad enough...

[Wilms]

24. There's people in NY that believe there's terrorism, but have a different idea of who's behind it.

[stray cat]

40. I even have heard of people who think Obama is a muslim and not born here

[Wilms]

52. Feel better?

[leedesi]

56. Re: I even have heard of people who think Obama is a muslim and not born here

...when sadly it's starting to look as if he came from one of
Dubya's ribs.

[Wilms]

58. And you believe them? Sad.

[Mudoria]

42. And some people think the moon landings were faked...

:eyes:

[Wilms]

59. Really? You should tell that to John Farmer, Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission.

Even he says that the "official story" is BS.

The book unveils how “the public had been seriously misled about what occurred during the morning of the attacks,” and Farmer himself states that “at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened.”

Only the very naive would dispute that an agreement not to tell the truth is an agreement to lie. Farmer’s contention is that the government agreed to create a phony official version of events to cover-up the real story behind 9/11.

The publisher of the book, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, states that, “Farmer builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version not only is almost entirely untrue but serves to create a false impression of order and security.”

In August 2006, the Washington Post reported, “Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon’s initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.”

http://joerobertson.com/newstome/security/john-farmers-book-the-ground-truth-the-story-behind-america%E2%80%99s-defense-on-911

But you...cough...know better. :eyes:

Have a nice day. :hi:

[RamboLiberal]

61. I read Farmer's book and no where does he dispute

that 9-11 was committed by Al-Qaeda terrorists. He only questions the "timeline and official" line from the Pentagon, NORAD, Cheney, etc. that day.

[Wilms]

63. Did I dispute "9-11 was committed by Al-Qaeda terrorists"?

No.

But I did question who was behind it. And given the snips above, it's reasonable to say I really don't know all of what went on, and why.

Pardon my not confusing your belief, likely based on information developed by the same people that lied to the Commission, with an open and shut review of what really happened.

[Arrowhead2k1]

4. The security officials can take all the 'neccessary' precautions to deal with this issue.

It's the mass hysteria and over-compensations that will last for a couple months that I am gawking at.

[The Stranger]

66. Um, he wasn't trying to blow up the plane -- he apparently had diarrhea and was Nigerian.

And they had been brainwashed by the media to react like he was the same idiot who WAS caught trying to light something on fire and blow up the plane days earlier.

[spooked911]

2. Yes, I haven't felt so disgusted with this country

for quite some time. I am so upset with our "terrorism" policies, I can hardly stand it.

[stray cat]

41. you mean passengers disarming a fellow traveler who wants to blow them up?

as per dec 25

[spooked911]

55. No, not that

I mean our disgusting military policy and tendency to over-react to minor threats by tightening security (i.e. massively inconveniencing people and making them feel like suspects).

[The Stranger]

67. Um, they weren't disarming a fellow passenger, they were assuming he was Nigerian and therefore a

terrorist. He was not trying to blow anyone up.

[Bozita]

5. WDIV reporting the unruly passenger is ... Nigerian

www.wdiv.com

[bluestateguy]

6. Maybe we should wait for the facts before jumping to conclusions

The passengers and crew on that plane have a better idea of what happened on that plane than you do.

Put down the Chomsky reader and wait for the facts.

[Gormy Cuss]

9. "Verbally disruptive"? I wonder what that means. Expletives? Refusing to sit quietly

after being told the new rules for international arrivals? Singing Christmas Carols?

[MAGICBULLET]

10. he allegedly locked himself in the bathroom

then crew members requested he be removed

[daleo]

14. People will tend to lock bathroom doors, for quite innocent reasons

Solution - no locks on doors, just an "occupied" light. It could even have a timer to show how long the bathroom has been occupied, in case of suspiciously long visits, which may indicate that somebody is up to no good. The attendant could knock on the door and check, if deemed necessary.

It seems slightly absurd, but it may be required.

[Gormy Cuss]

28. That would explain their concern,somewhat more understandable than "verbally disruptive"

since it mimics the behavior in the earlier incident. It's odd however that it's been reported for the latter reason, unless of course the man was having some sort of medical distress rather than planning some nefarious action and the crew over-reacted -- not that I'd blame them for such a reaction under the circumstances, but the initial reports don't sound like it there was any real threat in the end.

In other news, Ivana Trump was removed from a plane in FL for being verbally disruptive. No terrorism is suspected.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/12/26/entertainment/e200253S64.DTL&tsp=1

[MAGICBULLET]

34. Also find it incredibly ironic

that it was the same exact flight number as the one on Christmas Day, and that a Nigerian man was involved.

[Flaneur]

11. Fox says the passenger might just have been sick.

[PfcHammer]

27. This. Prolly had a bad Cinnabun in da airport that turned rectally disruptive

:rofl:

[NewLIfeArea]

15. Second Incident Aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253

Source: AP


DETROIT — A passenger onboard the same Northwest Airlines flight that was attacked on Christmas Day was taken into custody in Detroit on Sunday after becoming verbally disruptive upon landing, officials said.

A law enforcement official said the man was Nigerian and had locked himself in the airliner's bathroom. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.

Delta Air Lines spokeswoman Susan Elliott said crew members requested that security remove the man from Flight 253 after he became disruptive. The remaining 255 passengers got off safely, she said.

Airport spokesman Scott Wintner said it was the same flight on which a man tried to set off an explosive on Christmas Day.

"The pilot requested emergency assistance upon arrival," he said.

Security and airline personnel are on edge since the attempted terror attack on Christmas Day, and the law enforcement official said that lesser incidents had been reported on other flights arriving in Detroit, but the incident with the Nigerian man had sparked the most concern.

____

Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett and Nyia Hawkins in Washington contributed to this report.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/27/second-northwest-airlines_n_404349.html

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What hell going on? Same plane, Same Route, Same Flight number.. Bad Luck..

[louis-t]

16. Probably got locked in the bathroom.

Became "disruptive" trying to get out. Hey, it could happen.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

17. Tell me, how does one "get locked" in an airliner bathroom? n/t

[louis-t]

39. Locks and door handles malfunction.

And my sarcasm is direct proportion to my being tired of 24/7 hysteria in the media.

[timeforpeace]

18. "The passenger spent about an hour in the bathroom and got upset when he was questioned by the crew"

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/27/michigan.airplane.disruption/

[NewLIfeArea]

21. An hour in bathroom?

What does he do?
He played himself?

[slackmaster]

65. I take it you've never prepped for a colonoscopy

:argh:

[napi21]

19. It's probably beacuse of what happened on Christmas Day that

the pilots & crew are being exceptionally cautious. There are disruptive passengers on flights all the time. Most of the time they get calmed down by the flight attendants, and a few times they are actually are restrained and taken into custody unpo arrival at their destination. We rarely hear about them.

[DJ13]

20. Amsterdam, good drugs freely available

[Vincardog]

22. I'll bet he is the guy who keeps writing me about all those MILLIONS of $$$$$ I Won.

[BP2]

29. Hugs and "give peace a chance" mantras just doesn't work on

people that we're assisting the Yemeni and Saudi governments to kill.

Funny how it works that way.

[HughMoran]

32. AP source: Man on Sunday flight posed no threat

[Arctic Dave]

44. It didn't work when we were terrorizing Iraqis either.

Now that was some serious terrorizing.

[Cha]

30. "Terrorist crazy"? Too bad some of you are still living

in the bushcheney nightmare.

[HughMoran]

31. AP source: Man on Sunday flight posed no threat

Home / News / Nation
AP source: Man on Sunday flight posed no threat
By Devlin Barrett
Associated Press Writer / December 27, 2009

WASHINGTON—A law enforcement official says the man removed from a Sunday flight to Detroit posed no security risk to the plane.

The official says the passenger was taken into custody after becoming verbally disruptive on landing. Subsequent interviews by investigators determined he was a businessman who became ill during the flight.

The official was not authorized to discuss the investigation and therefore spoke on condition of anonymity.

The incident occurred on board the same Northwest Airlines flight that was attacked on Christmas Day. The pilot of the Sunday flight requested emergency assistance upon arrival.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/12/27/man_removed_from_same_flight_as_christmas_attack/

:shrug:

[uppityperson]

46. Thank you for posting this update.

[HughMoran]

47. np

I was just reading Boston.com before I came over here and thought I should make sure people knew the latest :)

[rantormusing]

33. Besides the sensationalism

I'm worried that the chorus of Obama blame will get louder, from the KRAUTheimers and Kristols of the world. What more do they want; do they really expect the US military to have a serious presence in another country. TSA is probably hiring more workers, and the new security regulations will be forthcoming, this show is ridiculous. Shame that so many are glued to it.

[Plucketeer]

35. I was watching one of the morning news shows today

There was this Redunclican senator railing on about how we need to redouble our efforts until we WIN the war on terrorism.

WHY doesn't one of the newsheads corner these assholes into answering just exactly what a "win" would look like???

Where's the partisan outrage against the terror of drunk drivers - or distracted drivers???? Where's the outrage against Gang Violence??? Both these "terrors" cause WAY MORE deaths each month (week maybe?) than religious extremists!
But the Right wants to set every mom and grandmom in nowheresville USA to shakin' in her boots that bloodthirsty "terrorists" are hiding behind the shrubs at the town park - just WAITING to pounce on their little darlings and thwart the only accomplishment they've ever managed!
Since we can't even ably police the couple of countries we ARE occupying, how the hell are we gonna win a "global" "war" on shadows? And this goes right back to my opening question: WHAT DOES a "win" look like?

[robo50]

36. All good points. The M$M teevee set people are all about scaring

all of their viewers to death so that they don't change the channel.

The Rethuglicans have no ideas, nothing but sloganeering talking points that are meaningless.

The only aim of the Rethuglicans is to make Americans afraid of Democrats, Liberals, and everybody else on the planet but fellow Rethuglicans.

[marshall]

37. Let's just hope that all terrorists are as stupid as these two goons

With terrorists like these, who needs conspiracy theories?

[Fearless]

43. Honestly who would want to bomb anything over Detroit?

:eyes:

[kayla9170]

51. Hey, Hey....Leave the Detroit Jokes Alone

There are some great communities in the Wayne/Washtenaw Counties areas. We deal with snow and cold with no problem and many races and ethnics live IN PEACE in Southeastern Michigan. It is not usual to talk to a Muslim store owner everyday and they are the nicest individuals. If you do not live here, you do know how the community is so leave the jokes to yourself.

[sandyj999]

57. I am totally with you I have lived here all my life and what you say is true. n/t

[Fearless]

62. My point was why Detroit? Sorry for the confusion.

[Tx4obama]

45. So it turns out the business man was SICK. Nothing here to see... move on. n/t

[krabigirl]

48. Wow...so now you are a terrorist if you are male and puking in a locked bathroom.

What a scary place we live in.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

60. Yes, you are a terrorist

if you puke in a locked bathroom during the final 60 minutes of a flight.

If you puke in a locked bathroom 90 minutes before the scheduled landing, then you are safe and an upstanding citizen.

See the difference?

:rofl:

[kayla9170]

50. OK, now is the time to get the Media Focus off the "D"

Now anytime anyone flying into DTW spends a little time more in the bathroom than someone thinks is right.....next thing you know....Terror Attack at DTW is announced on the darn media. Detroit is not a hot bed for terror as we have MANY, MANY peaceful Muslim people living within the area. The media needs to MOVE ON and get out our town IMHO.

[undeterred]

53. Oh, I thought the "D" was for diarreah.

I don't think the media should focus on it.

[kayla9170]

54. LOL....No, not here.........

When you say "The D" around here, it stands for Detroit. Think about the Ol' English "D" on the Detroit Tigers Uniforms. That is where it comes from. :fistbump:

[slackmaster]

64. It's going to turn out that he was saying "I need toilet paper!" in Igbo over and over

:nuke: