Obama blames al-Qaeda for Christmas Day jet 'bomb'

[kpete]

Source: BBC


Obama blames al-Qaeda for Christmas Day jet 'bomb'

President Obama: "This is not the first time this group has targeted us"

US President Barack Obama has for the first time publicly accused an offshoot of al-Qaeda over the alleged Christmas Day bomb plot to blow up a US plane.

He said it appeared Yemen-based al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula had armed and trained the accused, 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

The group admitted responsibility in an internet statement last week.

Mr Obama has already condemned lapses that allowed the accused, who was on a terror database, to board the jet.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8437496.stm

[Don Caballero]

1. He is correct

The Al Qaeda stronghold in Yemen has been acknowledged by their leaders. They want our help in rooting the terrorists from within their borders. This is a great chance for our President to use both diplomacy and military action in helping the Yemeni people.

[CaliCompadre]

2. You mean military action like the one that killed all those children and women the other day?

Yeah. Do that. It will decrease the number of people willing to blow themselves up. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story?id=9375236&page=1

[Don Caballero]

3. The correlation between unintended civilian deaths and new terrorists has not been established

The tragedy of killing innocents is overwhelming. But we must not forget that the terrorists within their midst are deadset on killing all those who do not share their beliefs.

[LeFleur1]

5. So?

The fact that the terrorists want to kill all that do not agree with them excuses us for killing innocents no matter what their belief?

We've sunk to a new low if that is our mindset.

[winyanstaz]

7. sure so that makes it a-ok to blow up a few dozen kids, moms, dads and grandparents...

because we MIGHT get one "terrorist."

[Don Caballero]

8. I am not saying that

The people of these countries want the terrorists dead too. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. We must kill the terrorists, the people want them dead too, but sadly innocent people end up dying once in awhile.

[arcos]

28. Once in a while, eh? nt

[No Elephants]

15. You cannot be serious.

The very existence of Al Qaida in Iraq was a direct response to our invasion of Iraq.

[pattmarty]

21. You're kidding, right??? Or maybe you're just high.

[Flaneur]

25. When did Dick Cheney start posting here?

[saigon68]

40. His minions are here along with Rim Jobs acolytes

WTF is going on here lately. Blatant cheering for some kind of sick ethnic cleansing

[totodeinhere]

27. Violence on both sides needs to stop.

Those civilian deaths in Afghanistan are a tragedy that shouldn't happen, but nothing can justify trying to blow up an airliner with civilians aboard. I am sick and tired of people at DU trying to excuse terrorist violence because the USA and NATO are conducting a war in Afghanistan. Violence in reaction to violence is always wrong. In the long run, the people who oppose our military involvement in that part of the world would be better off using peaceful means to oppose it.

[jmowreader]

18. If we do it the right way, not the Bush way, we might be successful there

The right way: We send our Delta Force, Marine Force Recon and SEAL commandos to Yemen at the Yemeni government's request. They hook up with the Yemeni leadership. Yemeni intelligence (who probably knows where these assholes are), the most elite members of Yemen's military and our commandos surgically remove the Al Qaeda terrorists from Yemen...whether we kill them or capture them is immaterial; Al Qaeda is so compartmented you've got to grab the top guys to make the risk to the friendly forces of running operations intended to capture the terrorists really worthwhile. After we've finished, we LEAVE.

The Bush way: We send XVIII Airborne Corps to invade Yemen, overthrow their government and hang their president. We fire the entire Yemeni intelligence apparatus and replace them wirh CIA cronies whether they know anything about finding terrorists or not--and it would be preferable if they don't. We kill thousands of innocent civilians. We install a government no one there likes, and we run patrols through their villages at all hours of the day or night. We piss off the locals, get a lot of our guys shot up and STILL don't capture the Al Qaeda terrorists. Ten years from now we'll still be there.

[pattmarty]

20. Yeah, fucking right. "Free the Yemeni people"!!!!!!!!!!!

:sarcasm:

[Robb]

4. "armed and trained"

...On the plus side, the training seems to have gone less than well.

[marshall]

6. You'd think they would be too embarassed to claim this idiot as one of their own

But I suppose they have no sense of shame.

[winyanstaz]

10. From the testimony of eye witnesses....the guy seemed drugged to me.

Don't soldiers throw themselves on grenades and bombs so their bodies stop the blasts from harming those around them? So why would putting a bomb between your butt cheeks blow anything but your ass off?
Who was the sharp dressed man that helped him by pass security? Where the hell are the films? Who was the other man arrested?
Why is the story changing so many times>??
Inquiring minds want to know these things.

[marshall]

11. Our government may not release everything it knows

It might be considered to help the terrorists if everything about why they failed is released to the public.

So there may be some things we never know, or some things that seem strange because what we are being told is not the whole truth.

[jmowreader]

23. This is true to a certain extent...

but the truth of the matter is, the Three Stooges could have run a better operation than these clowns did.

If the president were to simply get on television and explain to the terrorists Road Runner cartoons were NOT intended to be educational, next time they'll do something simple that actually works.

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[winyanstaz]

34. Things that go wrong when you torture people...deny them a trial..

set them free and then expect them to be happy campers.
This is why we need to insure everyone HAS a trial..so we know who is doing what. That the innocent are freed and that the real criminals are not turned lose if they need to be in jail.
This all comes back to Bush and his policies.

[humbled_opinion]

9. Tera... Terah... Teraaahhhh

Where have I heard that before.... All too familiar excuses to condone the slaughter of other human beings....


What exactly is the difference between him and the last one..???? I forgot.

[liquid diamond]

30. Yes, let's just sit around and do nothing so these assholes

can attack again. Yeah, that's the ticket! No wonder we will never have a liberal president. This country demands REALISTIC leadership.

[humbled_opinion]

31. Did I say that?

Is your argument that there are no alternatives then to try and scare people with a spectre of Terror? Scare them so they give you authority to do whatever you want! I don't care what political philosophy the President subscribes to, there is no difference in the rhetoric of Obama and George W. Bush on this issue.

Did you agree with Bush when he did it? So why would you agree with Obama when he does? I will not be blindly led. The debate is about giving govt the control to take offensive action in the name of some radom acts of violence. I did not support giving that control to Bush and I will not support giving it to Obama.

Are you anti-human? Stand on your principles or fall for anything.

Peace !

[liquid diamond]

36. I swear you people that compare Obama to Bush aren't to be

taken seriously. :rofl:

Just how the fuck does Obama use fear mongering the same way Bush did it with his colorful terror alerts and tying 9-11 to Iraq? To some posters here the mere mentioning of 9/11 (a historical event) is fear mongering. Thank God there is a realist in the White House.

[humbled_opinion]

43. So I will take it that

because of Terrah you will allow Obama to order the indiscrimate bombing of Yemeni civilians? How do you live with yourself?
BTW your post #30 is the same argument that the NEO-CONS use. Are you sure you belong on this forum?

[humbled_opinion]

44. In case your not paying full attention....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6972110.ece

Planning attacks on a sovereign nation... WOW wonder if our argument that Bush's offensive strategy caused more terrorists not less is going to hold water now that Obama is justifying Bush actions?

[timeforpeace]

12. He is empowering the terrorists and we will lose our freedoms by fearing them.

[scentopine]

13. Exactly - its the same thing over and over... now CIA

is in pissing contest with Mullahs.

Jesus this is fucking sick.

[humbled_opinion]

32. Thank you...

you said it better then I could in my previous post.

[ooglymoogly]

14. Al-Qaeda is so convenient to our slovenly government,

who's only interest is profits for the big boys; No wonder it just keeps on keeping on.

[No Elephants]

16. Obama blames? Obama publicly accused? THEY said they did it.

[shadowknows69]

17. If it was it was. What I don't like it the familiar sounding fear mongering used in telling us.

Sounds like the same speech writers of a war pig we once knew.

[JCMach1]

19. He is correct

But why do these PARTICULAR guys hate us?

We are bestest buds with the Saudi regime...

Now there's a pretty pickle

[peaches2003]

22. Does anyone really think we can kill them all?

The more terrorists we kill (and innocents who get caught in the crossfire) the more new terrorists there will be. We are fighting a losing battle going from country to country. After Yemen, I guess it will be Somalia. Meanwhile we are in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[humbled_opinion]

33. Exactly my point...

and this guy got a peace prize to boot! That in itself is historic will his legacy be the first Nobel Winner to slaughter millions in war? or is this that Raygun crap come full circle PEACE thru WAR or some such crap.

I hold Obama to a higher standard because he is a liberal and should be a humanist. I guess I am just fooling myself to believe he could have been different.

[liquid diamond]

37. Yeah. Let's pack it up and quit.

If we leave them alone, they will leave us alone. :sarcasm:

Shit, we were doing that when 9/11 happened.

Obama has said several times that his primary duty is to protect this country. He isn't going to yield to unrealistic Utopian ideals for peace.

[slackmaster]

42. I think we probably could, but nobody has the backbone to do what really needs to be done

:hi:

[wpelb]

26. Really al-Qaeda?

I realize that al-Qaeda is not really as monolithic as we make it out to be (like many other criminal terrorist organizations, it's more of a group of largely autonomous if somewhat like-minded cells than a tightly connected, centrally run enterprise controlled by an evil genius), but this incident seems to have been rather amateurish in its planning and execution, unlike the 9/11 attacks, which were obviously well thought-out and orchestrated.

I suppose if this really was an al-Qaeda effort, we should be thankful that it appears to be getting weaker and more ineffective.

[Tripmann]

35. Unfortunately, thanks to the 'war on terror'...

...the 'al quaida' label is similar to those kids in the nike commercial shouting 'I'm tiger woods'. It requires no direct relationship or association with the real entity.

[arcos]

29. Time to bomb Yemen! That'll earn him another Nobel Peace Prize this year! nt

[TheWatcher]

38. Meet The New Boss.....

[Prometheus Bound]

39. Yemen has oil and gas, right?

[tom_paine]

41. As always, the RW Propaganda Offensives ALWAYS get helped to legitimacy by our Democrats

Underpants Man is merely the equivalent of product tie-ins, like McDonald's putting drinks in "Avatar" cups to synergize with the release of the movie.

That's all this is. Not a little bit more.

Does it matter how it happened, or even if it was areal terrorist attack, as opposed to the LIHOP/MIHOP that is the seeming standard (though this we can never be sure, like the Russians circa 1985, we can certainly suspect the lie with reasonable assumption that it or some form of it is so)?

Not really, even if it was real, as opposed to insitigated and/or carried out using the customary moronic pasty by the Bush Faction, which still controls military, intel, and law enforcement, it seems...even if it WAS "real", it doesn't matter.

A little fear had to be squirted into the American bloodstream to keep us frightened and unable to think.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!