...Taliban apologetics, when considering the actual facts detailed below. Additionally, insulting my knowledge and calling me a liar doesn't make you sound like some kind of genius, you just come off as someone who has to stoop really low to try and prove a weak point. IOW ad hominems are always a sign of inept debating skills and a paucity of facts to back up an argument.
You must have a different definition of "Terrorising the population with murder and brutal sadistic punishments" than I do. For example, I don't know what else one can call the stoning people in public that you mention or the sort of 'punishment of the guilty' described below other than "murder and brutal sadistic punishment" that terrorises citizens into submission.
http://www.rawa.org/handcut.htm">Taliban flog woman, cut off two men's hands KABUL, Feb 27,1998
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The two men, convicted of stealing goods worth 19 million afghanis ($500) from a Kabul shop, were brought in a Japanese pick-up truck and were anaesthetised before their right hands were cut off from the wrist with a sharp lance.
Three doctors from the Public Health Ministry, who had covered their faces, carried out the amputation after the convicts became unconscious and lay on the damp ground.
A Taleban fighter carried one amputated hand around and said: ``Anyone committing theft or adultery will face such punishment. Look at this, it is the hand of one of the thieves.''
Friday's was the second public amputation of thieves' hands in Kabul in a week. Last Friday, the Taleban chose a school as the venue for the punishment.
On Wednesday, the Taleban ordered the execution of three men for sodomy in the southern town of Kandahar, southern Afghanistan. They were ordered to be buried alive under a pile of stones and a wall was pushed on top of them by a tank.
Their lives were to be spared if they survived for 30 minutes and were still alive when the stones were removed.
Taliban Beat a mother and her daughter publicly AP, April 16, 1999
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- Thousands of Afghanis watched Friday as the Taliban's religious police lashed a young woman and her mother, both convicted of "immoral behavior" over the daughter's unmarried affair.
The two women, who were hunched over inside their all-enveloping burqa robes, wailed and cried out "Oh God!" with every stroke, witnesses said.
Farzana, 25, was accused of having illicit relations with a man. She was convicted more than a month ago but at the time was nine months pregnant from the affair. So the Taliban postponed her punishment of 100 lashes.
She gave birth to a son a few days ago, said Mullah Mohammed Sadik, the Taliban official who beat her. The child's father was punished earlier.
Farzana's mother, identified only as Gul, was also beaten with 39 lashes. She was charged with "immoral behavior" because she knew of her daughter's relationship and did not report it to the police, said Sadik.
After Sadik struck seven lashes, officials discovered that Gul, who was thought to be around 50, was wearing a heavy jacket to try to soften the blows, witnesses said. They ordered her to remove the jacket and continued with the remaining 32 lashes.
The Taliban religious army, which rules 90 percent of Afghanistan, has imposed a harsh brand of Islamic law. Murderers are executed in public squares, while thieves have their limbs removed and lesser crimes are punished with a public beating.
Women who commit adultery are stoned to death under Taliban law, but because Farzana was not married the sentence for having an illicit affair was 100 lashes, the Taliban explained.
Also Friday, nine men convicted of gambling, which also is illegal, were given 39 lashes. Four of the men wailed and cried, and Taliban police had to hold their arms and legs while another administered the beating, witnesses said.
After beating both Farzana and her mother, Sadik slammed Western criticism of the Taliban's treatment of women, saying that its laws protect their honor.
In Taliban territory, women cannot work outside the home and girls are banned from schools. Health care is segregated and often it is difficult for a woman to see a male specialist.
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http://www.rawa.org/lashes.htm ---- --- ----
What do you think the words 'fierce', 'cleansing force', 'wipe out' and 'brutal' mean in this context...?
Prague, 18 September 2001 (RFE/RL) --
From students to conquerors, the members of the Taliban Islamic militia have come a long way fast.The Taliban -- literally "the Seekers" -- was founded in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar by graduates of Pakistani religious colleges. Their aims were to end the political chaos that had been ongoing in Afghanistan since the Soviet withdrawal in 1989 and to impose a strict interpretation of Islam.
Their ascent to power began seven years ago, when a 30-truck convoy from Pakistan was nabbed by an Afghan warlord in southern Afghanistan. A small band of Taliban militants came to the rescue, freeing the convoy and executing the hijackers in the desert.
With that initial public appearance, the Taliban emerged as a reformist force to be reckoned with -- honest, fierce, and devoutly Islamic.
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"In southern Afghanistan, there was a law and order crisis. There was rampant warlordism, and the Taliban came in as a cleansing force to establish law and order and wipe out the warlords and impose Islam, which they did. And they were quite popular doing it, initially. Their spread is really related to the support they got from Pakistan, which increased their military capability. And then they took Kabul in 1996."
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In its efforts to control the country the Taliban became as brutal as its predecessors -- killing civilians, burning houses, and destroying crops in the villages and towns it had conquered. As a result, the Afghan people became far less supportive of the ruling government. Analysts say the Taliban found it difficult to recruit native Afghan men into its ranks.
Full article:
http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1097442.html---- --- ----
What about the ethnic cleansing carried out against the Hazaris and the other articles below? Is this what you call "sweeping warlords aside" & "punishing the guilty and defending the weak"?
Genocide of ethnic Hazaras(footage of the results of their ethnic cleansing is also in the documentary I linked to in post #12)
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/afghanistan/">Massacre in Yakaolang - Jan 2001
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/afghanistan/">Massacre at Robatak Pass - May 2000
Massacre in Mazar-e Sharif - Starting Aug 8, 1998
http://www.hazara.net/taliban/genocide/mazar/mazar.html">Compilation of reports - by Human Rights Watch, United Nations, and Sunday Times
http://www.rawa.org/times.htm">How the Taliban slaughtered thousands of people The Sunday Times , Nov.1,1998
http://www.rawa.org/killings.htm">UN report details Taliban 'killing frenzy' The News International (Pakistan), Nov.6,1998
http://www.rawa.org/herald.htm">One Massacre That Didn't Grab the World's Attention International Herald Tribune, Saturday, August 7, 1999
http://www.hazara.net/taliban/genocide/mazar2/mazar2.html">Eyewitness Testimonies - Interviews conducted by our Hazara.net Sources
http://www.hazara.net/taliban/genocide/bamyan/bamyan.html">Massacre in Bamyan - Sep 1998 to May 1999
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