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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:51 AM
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Wipro tops list of H-1B visa professionals in 2009
Source: The Economic Times of India

6 Jan 2010, 1056 hrs IST, IANS

WASHINGTON: With 1,964 H-1B visas in 2009, Indian IT major Wipro has topped the list of firms that got the coveted US visas for highly skilled professionals.

Microsoft with 1,318 visas came next, with Intel (723) in third place, while Google with 211 in 25th place brought up the rear. IBM India (695), Infosys (440), Polaris Software Lab India (254) and Satyam (219) were the other major Indian visa getters.

At least 200 US and Asia-based technology, financial and consulting companies applied for H-1B visas in 2009. The major technology companies that did not rank in the Top 25, but did rank in the Top 50 include Yahoo, Amazon, Apple, Texas Instruments, Nvidia and IBM, according to e-week.com.

Here is a countdown of the top 25 companies with the specific number of H-1B visas they were granted by the US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) in 2009:

1. Wipro: 1,964
2. Microsoft: 1,318
3. Intel: 723
4. IBM India: 695
5. Patni Americas: 609
6. Larsen & Toubro Infotech: 602
7. Ernst & Young: 481
8. Infosys: 440
9. UST Global: 344
10. Deloitte: 328
11. Qualcomm: 320
12. Cisco Systems: 308
13. Accenture: 287
14. KPMG: 287
15. Oracle: 272
16. Polaris Software Lab India: 254
17. Rite Aid: 240
18. Goldman Sachs: 236
19. Deloitte & Touche: 235
20. Cognizant: 233
21. Mphasis: 229
22. Satyam: 219
23. Bloomberg: 217
24. Motorola: 213
25. Google: 211



Read more: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/services/travel/visa-power/Wipro-tops-list-of-H-1B-visa-professionals-in-2009/articleshow/5415615.cms
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:55 AM
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1. What are the criteria for receiving the visas? Wait - don't tell me. $$$? nt
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:17 AM
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4. Checklist
- no conscience or affinity for one's countrymen
- a lawyer to find the least likely way to attract a US worker while within the bounds of legal requirements
- a politician to keep the gravy train going
- a resume fraud builder to pretend the H1-Bs have skills they don't really have
- one willing indentured servant

Mix ingredients well, set microwave on "globalist" and heat until US citizens come to a boil.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:34 AM
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6. Boy, no wonder corporations are eager for these! nt
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:05 AM
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16. FYI, there are no advertising requirements for most H-1Bs
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 09:05 AM by WilmywoodNCparalegal
I think you're thinking of the labor certification, subject of the well known YouTube video, which is a step for someone who already has an employment non-immigrant visa (such as the H-1B) toward obtaining lawful permanent residence (a/k/a green card), which requires advertising and does not involve USCIS, but rather the Dept. of Labor.

Moreover, as I explained in my H-1B primer post below, resumes are not the only documentation provided or required for H-1Bs. Unless you are trying to call me a liar, in all my 11 years of experience working with, among others, some of the companies on that list, never once did I see candidates who were lying or were indentured servants or were paid less than stated or given fewer benefits. Not once.

I am a legal immigrant myself and I know how expensive it is and how long it takes to do anything legally to remain or work in the U.S. legally. I abhor dealing with those trying to skirt the laws, whether they are construction workers seeking jobs using fake Puerto Rico birth certificates (it is a daily occurrence for me these days) or professionals from all over the world.

And, before it is mentioned, I have worked not only for immigration firms but also for corporations and, sadly, I didn't get bonuses based on the number of visas I process. Immigration work is NOT easy and it's NOT merely filling out a few forms here and there. Immigration law is hardly even taught in law school, even as an elective. There are few people - paralegals or lawyers - who willfully choose to work in immigration (especially corporate immigration, where employment visas fall into) because it's a hard field, which changes all the time and must be able to handle several government departments and each own's interpretation of rules and laws and memoranda and this that and the other.

Indeed, most people who choose this field do so because of personal reasons - either they are immigrants or children of immigrants or have studied abroad.

Just like any other profession, there are scummy lawyers and immigration paralegals as there are scummy plumbers, accountants, physicians and artists.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:04 AM
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20. I have witnessed it first hand.
As a citizen, I helped an H1-B visa employee at the company my husband worked at to convert the visa to permanent residency. The entire time he worked for said company, from before he began the transition process, he was paid less than the other engineers on staff. He got the crappy projects with impossible deadlines, was sent to work on job sites for weeks straight, no time off, no comp time, nothing. Even before he needed the company for sponsorship to permanent residency, he had no choice. With kids in our school system, kids who had very quickly become American, they felt returning to Europe was not an option. (Yes, he was a white man from Europe who had a fine grasp of English.)

The company delayed his filings, they fudged paperwork so that a process that for most transitioning H1-B's takes a few years lasted for 12. (Yes, I know legally it can't continue beyond 10 years, but he found a lawyer to finagle it.)

So, lucky you. You found corps who didn't screw you or your clients over.

But to think because of your experience that it doesn't happen is simply naive.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 12:59 AM
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2. Color me surprised...NOT. n/t
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:17 AM
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3. Well since most of these companies appear to be corporate clients
find out who those clients are and boycott them, if you are in a decision making position to use these companies refuse to. The ones you have control over purchasing their product don't and then write and tell them so and why, perhaps if they get enough refusals they will change their minds. The retail corporates, same thing refuse to buy their products or services if you can and tell em so.
Yea my puter is made in China , if I could make it myself I would, some parts of it are made here and it is partially assembled here by my partner.
I am not so much anti import, as anti loss of our jobs and pay scale. The corpses seem to think that we should live off of grass n greens we can find in their yard and be grateful that we had a bite to eat that day..more of that Plantation mentardy(sic)
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NavyMom Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:30 AM
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5. More than 80% of Walmart items comes from China, I don't shop there
any longer and fortunately for me my son knows how to make computers and has made over 20 for family members. He made my laptop from scratch, made EVERYTHING himself from his lab in my house and they work better than any laptop or desktop any of us ever bought. I always check the packaging to see where ANYTHING I buy was made especially since my son has sensitive skin, he got sick from the chemicals used in the sofa his father bought that was made in China so we definitely pay attention to where my purchases are made.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:38 AM
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7. I wouldn't even buy my cat a cat bed made in China -- they just put such
questionable and dangerous things in EVERYTHING they make. I'm guessing your son isn't the only one who has had a bad reaction, but I bet you're one of the few moms who figured out what the problem was.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:56 AM
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9. My partner assembled this one from a lot of parts
I wrote to levis and wrangler saying I would no longer by their product when they movd from Greensboro NC and why. The answer from their pr department about how it was sooo important to take care of their shareholders angerned me (to be nice). So I wrote back saying that "I am unhappy that you ditched generational jobs for only profit". They were Generational jobs, they had been in Greensboro for more than 100 years, levis anywayI don't know about VF(wranglers).
I have not bought levis of wrangler since. I do have to say I have bought jeans recently from a local feed and seed, Dickies brand and did not have my glasses and could not read the made in china, I thought they were still made here. My vision is getting very bad, I don't need to see to type

I also noted an almost instant increase in crime and other unhappiness in the neighborhood which was dependent on income from the mills.

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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 03:07 AM
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10. some options
Texas Jeans (texasjeans.com)
Jeans
Texas Jeans are made from cotton grown in the USA. (per Texas Jeans cust serv 2-5-08)
100% USA Made. America's Jeans! Made in the USA! American Made. (prominent home page labeling & red-white-blue USA flag logo)
For over 30 years we have made our jeans 100% in the USA. 100% made with pride in the USA in our own factory. We use only American Made Denim, Fabrics, Labels, Trim and Hardwear. The "major "American Jean Brands & Labels" that we have grown up with are now made in other countries. We are just about the last USA "JEAN BRAND" that has its own "Large" US Factory. We also use Made in USA Denim and Trim. Texas Jeans USA factory and offices in Asheboro North Carolina. No China Factory. (per texasjean.com 2-1-08)

and several more:

http://www.usstuff.com/jeans.htm
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 01:53 AM
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8. This is where we have to contact our local, state and federal elected officials, ...
and find out if these companies received any tax credits for locating their offices
at their current locations, and see if we can get those tax credits revoked.

There are US engineers that are unemployed who can do the job of some of these
H1B's :banghead:. So, we need to get our government to tie the H1B's to the unemployment rate.
If the unemployment rate goes up, then the H1B's have to go down. If that means
that some of these companies have to eliminate some H1B's, too bad.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:07 AM
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11. My husband was recruited from Johannesburg, South Africa, with an H1B1 visa
It was in 1997.

We sold everything and came to the land of milk and honey to live the American dream. As soon as he had his Greencard (after 5 years and $8,000 lawyers fees) he was laid off and he is still struggling to find employment.

That's the other side of the coin. We left because it sounds as if we hit the jackpot, en because South Africa is so crime ridden; to give our children a better future.

We became citizens after 10 years years here. We tried our best to obtain citizenship sooner, but it seems 10 years is the normal waiting time.





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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:16 AM
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12. WiPro runs IT support for the company I work for
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 08:18 AM by high density
It's a disaster. Every support call goes to India and the guys have no clue what they're doing. Fixing a problem is a 2 hour call minimum, plus a couple of callbacks once a "supervisor" has finally put his finger on the actual issue. They attempt to blame problems on everything but their own incompetence. I'd love to know the number of man hours across the company lost to waiting for these idiots. It probably offsets any "cost savings" from outsourcing and offshoring the IT department.
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:45 AM
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13. Once again, DU's ignorance on H-1B visas is astounding
Here are a few tidbits about the H-1B eligibility process from one (me) who actually has done thousands of these for a living. First, the H-1B is not just for IT people; it is for any occupation that requires at least a U.S. bachelor's degree (or foreign equivalent, as evaluated by independent and registered evaluation agencies) or more - these are professional positions and include teachers, accountants, etc.

There is also a subset of H-1Bs, the H-1B3, for fashion models (not the supermodels, but regular catalog or runway or parts models). The requirements for that one are slightly different (obviously, since no degree is required). Yet, fashion model H-1B3s are still part of the yearly cap of new H-1B visas doled out each fiscal year.

I will just concentrate on the college-degree H-1B1. There are many rules and I'm only touching on the more important ones.

First, the prospective employer must:

-attest it will pay at least THE SAME OR MORE THAN the prevailing wage for that position offered at the same level of experience/education in the specific geographic area as per an official wage survey (most immigration people use the U.S. government's own wage survey which is online and accessible by anyone) - of course an employer can lie, but in my 11 years of experience everyone who was a prospective H-1B employee was always paid well above the prevailing wage;

-attest the benefits are the same as the ones given to all other employees;

-post said attestation (known as the Labor Condition Application -LCA- not to be confused with labor certification, which was the subject of an infamous YouTube video) in a public area (such as a bulletin board) for 10 consecutive business days. Anyone can protest if needed.

-there are additional requirements for H-1B dependent employers (those who have more than a certain percentage of H-1B workers and those who are subject to collective bargaining and union contracts).

-the employer must be prepared to pay at least $3000 in filing fees to USCIS alone, not to mention lawyer fees. For each prospective H-1B applicant (because, believe it or not, not everyone gets approved for one), an employer is investing about $5000-10000.

-the employer must file all the paperwork, which includes forms and a supporting letter (by the employer) explaining what the job entails and how that job can only be performed by someone with at least a bachelor's degree or above and how the applicant meets those requirements.

The prospective H-1B employee must prove the following:

-that s/he possesses a U.S. bachelor's or higher in the specialty occupation in which the visa is sought. In other words, a BA in English can't be considered for an accounting position, unless s/he possesses years of experience (3 years of provable and verifiable experience, usually in the form of a letter from a former employer describing the duties, equal 1 year of undergraduate education as per USCIS) in that field.

-those with foreign degrees need to have their degrees evaluated by a U.S. agency that is registered with USCIS and deemed qualified and unbiased. This is done by the employer (so that people can't fake their evaluations). There are a few very good and unquestionably reliable agencies and I'm sure that there are some scummy ones. The ones I've dealt with have superb reputations with people who have worked in international education.

-a special note about Indian three-year degrees: some colleges in India award three-year undergraduate degrees to students. More often than not, reputable agencies cannot render an equivalency to a U.S. four-year degree. It's been my experience (11 years and counting) that 9 out of 10 with three-year degrees are denied equivalency to a four-year degree. Of course, if they have experience (3 years = 1 year of undergrad), that experience can be evaluated jointly to equal a U.S. bachelor's equivalent.

IF the visa is approved (and that's an if, because not all visas are approved and some candidates are marginally qualified), the candidate has to take his approval notice to a U.S. Consulate abroad and be interviewed personally in order to gain admittance.

Obtaining a visa to the U.S. for employment is a two-step process that involves two separate government agencies. Firstly, one deals with the eligibility for the visa itself by going through USCIS (Dept. of Homeland Security).

Then, if the visa is approved by USCIS, the Department of State must actually grant permission to enter with that visa and can limit the amount of time one is allowed to work in the U.S., even if the visa has an initial duration of 3 years (such as the H-1B) - this happens frequently, especially to Brazilians in all visa categories. The Dept. of State, of course, staffs all consulates and its officers perform the visa interviews.

Certain consulates require additional steps. For instance, Chennai (f/k/a Madras) and Mumbai (f/k/a Bombay) used to require actual photographs of the company where one was going to work (unless that company was well known), in addition to others.

Of the companies in that list, I have worked extensively with numbers 4, 10, 15 and 18. In all cases, all applicants who ended up being approved for visas were highly qualified and paid well above the prevailing wage. Some, not all, have now become lawful permanent residents (which requires a whole another set of long and expensive steps), and some of the earlier ones are U.S. citizens (dual or otherwise).

All nationalities were represented and included professionals all over the world, not just India.

I know I will get lambasted with people's personal experiences of how an H-1B worker stole a job, etc. etc. Let me be clear - ANYTHING can be falsified or can be made to meet the requirements of the law. However, in my 11 years of work in this arena I've never had a prospective H-1B who actually got the visa to be unqualified and/or to be paid less than what was stated.

Now, the L-1B visas ('specialized knowledge' intracompany transfer visas) are a totally different ballgame and much more rife with abuses simply because the eligibiliy requirements, apart from corporate ownership of a foreign entity and the prospective transferee having been employed there for a certain amount of time, are vague at best (the definition of "specialized knowledge" can be made to fit just about anything) and there are no educational requirements.

Anyway, everytime I see these H-1B threads I cringe because there is a lot of ignorance about the process of actually applying for and obtaining the H-1B visa, vis-a-vis (no pun) the L-1B visa which, in my professional and personal experience, is much more abused.

Flame away.

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:03 AM
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14. If you believe what you are writing, I got a bridge to sell you!
Edited on Wed Jan-06-10 09:04 AM by cap
You are assuming that employers are obeying the law!

With unemployment at an effective 17% in this country, there are Americans who would love to have the job advertised on Wednesday in a newspaper with low-circulation that requires an M.S. degree in computer science and loads of certifications. Detail the skill set out to the version level of the software. You still will find Americans who can do the job.

Why not just play honest and put your job req up on Monster.com and get inundated with the responses! Go ahead and make my day! Put the job requirement on Monster.com

If you want to be pickier, and go for just the Ivy League, put your ad up on Doostang.com. Call the career office of Carnegie Mellon and say you got a job and they will will help you find a well qualified alumnus. Send your laundry list of requirements, require 10 years of experience with a salary figure that caps out at $30K and you will get people. There are loads of intelligent IT professionals who don't want to be homeless. (In fact, you know there was a story about a homeless Web developer not too long ago). Honestly, Americans have gone out and gotten all the degrees, certifications and experience that you are looking for because they have an illusion that eating is a good thing! They are taking the miserable salary figure that you are offering.

There are IT students who are homeless and are still chasing after that degree! They are sleeping in the library after hours and taking showers in the gym. They call it "Hoboing".

They will be happy with $35K because that gets them off of food stamps if they are single. It gets them into a motel and off the streets. One out of eight people are on food stamps in this country! Heck, they'll be happy with $20K because they can't even find jobs in the mall these days.



Zazona.com used to have the exact salary figures that were used to apply for the H1B visa. They were all below market rate for the level of requirements.

The only good thing is that good old Hilda Solis is cracking down on this nonsense. She's hiring 2,500 labor inspectors. If you are one of the employers who chronically just can't make do with American workers, she'll be visiting.
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:25 AM
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18. Again, advertisements for jobs are NOT for H-1Bs
They are for labor certifications, which are step 1 if someone who is here on an H-1B already is seeking a green card. And, for your information, any job advertised with the labor certification process is posted AUTOMATICALLY in the DOL employment offices' database which anyone can search.

There are many labor certifications that have gotten denied because there were qualified U.S. or employment-eligible (such as green card holders) employees who met the requirements. How do I know? Because I actually worked on these.

I welcome enforcement of existing laws and nowhere did I state that all employers are truthful and honest. What I did state, however, is that in my 11 years of experience (and counting) NONE, absolutely zero, of the employers I worked with had to be or were dishonest and did not willfully comply with the requirements, nor did any of the candidates have less than the minimum requirements by law.

Zazona.com, which you cite, is one of the most virulently anti-immigrant websites out there. Indeed, on their own webpage, they support Tom Tancredo who is one of the most anti-immigrant critters out there. I am ashamed I share Italian nationality with this creep.

That website is also factually inaccurate about many of the eligibility requirements of visas and is very loose on facts and reality.

They seem to be against any type of immigration, no matter what, including immigration by O-1 visa holders: these are extraordinary abiliy aliens, usually entertainers, athletes, reasearchers and professors. Say goodbye to foreign talent, then.

No more Coldplay or U2 concerts or baseball players who are not American-born and goodbye to research scientists and professors who just have the unfortunate bad luck of not being American born...

and, on a selfish note, goodbye to me and my superbly genius engineer father, who is the reason I'm here in the first place, who came here to head the U.S. branch of an Italian company on a visa and is now a dual U.S./Italy citizen.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:34 PM
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22. what was needed in times of high employment is not needed in times of high unemployment
There is also a difference between now and them

If you were to come to the US this year, I would have the same thing to stay to you....please don't take it personally. Although traditionally a foreign national representative of a foreign country is usually granted the same reciprocal courtesy that is extended a US multinational. Those types of management positions are usually very few in number. If we were talking about the exception to the rule, I would have no problem.

Frankly, you personally may not be compliant under strict interpretation of the rules. For the past eight years, the rules have been lax....so you may think that you're compliant when under a new administration the rules will be interpreted differently. No more advertising on Wednesday and hand tailoring the job requirement such that no one else but the foreign applicant can qualify. Won't cut it. Oh yeah.... if those H1Bs have been working for you longer than a year on a contract, that's also an IRS violation that will now be enforced with a nice little penalty for tax evasion. A lot of the laws that have been on the books but not been enforced are being enforced. The old interpretation has come back and is biting employers in the butt. My husband works on Wall Street and they just hired a lot of contractors as permanent employers for that reason. A lot of H1b's are getting laid off. They are cleaning house to make sure they are compliant. I suggest you do likewise. The Department of Labor means business these days. The SEIU which is one of this county's toughest labor unions has their gal in as the Secretary of Labor.... she knows the tricks and is tightening up the rules and interpretations.

I worked in France and it's very difficult for an American to get work in Europe.... The US system will be enforced like the European immigration system is.
Those foreign workers had better be something a lot closer to the O-1 visa types --- true experts in their field and able to document it.... or a genuine need for language capability. Just like Europe does.

Historically, this country has gone through tight and loose periods of immigration. We just had the largest period of immigration since the 1920's. When hard times hit in the 1930's, we shut doors to foreign workers. Same thing this time around.

Open immigration is a cyclical thing.... just ask the Mexicans who work on our farms. In times of full employment, we relax immigration standards. In times of high unemployment we send them back home.....



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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:04 AM
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15. Ok then why would an employer spend than kind of money and effort
when they could just hire an American? And you will never--not with the number of engineers and technicians I know personally who are out of work--convince me that "there are no qualified US applicants". (I don't personally know any models, but just go down to the beach with a cardboard sign that says "casting call" and you're sure to find a few.)
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:07 AM
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17. "Ignorance" vs. talking points
To be honest I stopped reading because I was laughing too much at the line "but in my 11 years of experience everyone who was a prospective H-1B employee was always paid well above the prevailing wage;"

I was in tears... Please, take your show on the road, it's hilarious.
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 09:28 AM
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19. And what reason do you have to doubt me????
Is it because I'm not U.S. born???

praytell, elucidate your reasoning behind you doubting what I do day in and day out and what I've done for the past 11 years, ever since graduating from college.

I stand by that statement wholeheartedly and I will repeat it ad nauseam: in my 11 years of experience as an immigration professional everyone with whom I worked who was a prospective H-1B employee was always paid well above the prevailing wage as listed on the Department of Labor's website, as that is the prevailing wage survey most used.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:15 PM
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27. You will find on DU they constantly insist that every single one of those
employers is disobeying the law. Massive, 100% fraud. Because once that fact about the prevailing wage comes out, it ruins their argument. So they just deny it it is ever obeyed and make unconfirmable allegations about H-1Bs they have known.

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:40 PM
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23. your experience is limited...
the unions have done the studies to prove otherwise. In fact, they just did one on the IT industry documenting the dodges by the employers.

I've seen all kinds of stuff done to foreign workers.... Green cards held until the absolute last moment. Programmers working over 60 hours per week for about $18K. Indian programmers bunking 4 to a 2 bedroom apartment because they weren't paid enough to afford their own apartment.

Here's the afl-cio study about the abuses. There's also Congressional Testimony about this.
http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/thisistheaflcio/ecouncil/ec08062003e.cfm
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NJGeek Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 10:54 AM
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21. Garbage Post
You are full of shit. H1-B's almost never make prevailing wage and you know it. It's the biggest scam going, and it underminds the American IT worker.
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 04:41 PM
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24. And you know this how???
At least, I can tell you what my experience is and has been in this matter. What can you offer besides anectodes and derogatory remarks?

I never once said ALL employers who seek H-1Bs for prospective employees are salt-of-the-earth honest and reliable. I just said that the ones I worked with surely are and were.

Again, not all H-1Bs are IT workers - indeed, I doubt seriously that Goldman Sachs, which is on the list, hires many IT workers. I know (for a fact) many of these are financial experts in topics such as foreign currencies and global markets, whose experience you can't necessarily find in the U.S. How else should these professionals come to the U.S. and work?

And why no complaints about fashion models sucking off H-1B visas from the annual quotas? Or complaints about teachers or architects or others who come with H-1B visas?

Why not direct this vitriol to L-1B visas which are more rife with abuse...
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:59 PM
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26. Wipro is IT. It just takes 10 of them to do an experienced guys job.
it looks great on paper but I work closely with IT folks in my job and the wipro shops are a nightmare. Their turnover is absurd, thier employees are not vested in the job (dont give a fuck) and they displace people who do.

I despise this model and personally think any company that uses tax funds should be barred from it, as it is a scam.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:18 PM
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28. I have quoted that law so many times
The law requires that they make the prevailing wage.

And there aren't enough of them to undermine American workers. You'd think there were ten million H1bs in the country to look at DU. If there were that many IT workers, the prevailing wage itself would go down.

Americans are the ones who can be paid less than the prevailing wage, since they don't have to prove it to the Department of Labor.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 06:56 PM
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25. Companies hire wipro and fire americans. period.
wipro is a body shop. They place muppets in chairs until the muppets learn enough to get jobs for more money. It looks great on paper though.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 07:21 PM
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29. If there were so many Americans, then why pay the $8000 in fees is
my question. DU never answers that except to insist they don't really pay the wage. They have H aliens so much, that they assume every single employer of them is cheating the system. It's like assuming everyone on welfare is, or everyone on medicaid.

Actually IMO they are trying to increase the value of their own services, figuring if there were no Hs, then they would be able to demand a higher wage. They are likely wrong on this, as the number of Hs does not look high enough to have such a major effect.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-06-10 08:26 PM
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30. 'Anyone can protest' ... hahaha
-post said attestation (known as the Labor Condition Application -LCA- not to be confused with labor certification, which was the subject of an infamous YouTube video) in a public area (such as a bulletin board) for 10 consecutive business days. Anyone can protest if needed.

Yeah, right. You and I both know that any employee who would dare protest an LCA would be shown the door immediately if not sooner.

At one point last year, my employer had LCAs for more than 50 H-1Bs posted at the same time on the same bulletin board. I merely asked whether this was a good thing to do when unemployment was so high, and the HR department virtually exploded. "It is our policy to always hire the most qualified candidate," blah blah.

And now dozens of our engineers have been let go and replaced not by H-1Bs but by engineers actually located in Bangalore. The message is clear: If you won't let us have our H-1Bs, we'll just take the jobs completely out of the USA.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 01:42 PM
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31. this is happening on Wall Street, too
Financial institutions who have received TARP money are laying off folks who paid for that TARP money and shipping the jobs completely overseas.

The new model is have a few legal employees as interface between the engineers abroad and users

Do anything except hire an American worker at a wage level where he can pay for a mortgage so that a financial institution's cash flow isn't interrupted due to a layoff or readjustment to a lower salary.

Does anyone see something wrong here?
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