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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 11:51 AM
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Exclusive: Obama budget likely to include (as yet undetermined) fee on banks to help taxpayers
Edited on Mon Jan-11-10 11:51 AM by kpete
Source: Politico

Exclusive: Obama budget likely to include (as yet undetermined) fee on banks to help taxpayers recoup cost of bailout -- Romer still sees recovery beginning in spring
By: BEN WHITE & VICTORIA MCGRANE & MIKE ALLEN on January 11, 2010 @ 5:57 AM

EXCLUSIVE: Top administration officials tell Morning Money that President Obama’s budget, to be unveiled next month, is likely to include a fee on banks designed to recoup some of the cost taxpayers incurred in the bailout, which specified that the U.S. government should be made whole. This will stop short of a financial transactions tax, and the administration has decided that a tax on compensation packages would be too easily evaded. The officials said the final approach has not been locked down. The chief goal is a fee that is not easily passed along.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/morningmoney/0110/morningmoney58.html
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 11:57 AM
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1. This is welcome news
Shows Americans that our President gets it. This will certainly help the taxpayers during the recession.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:00 PM
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2. Wouldn't any fee levied on banks just be passed back on to the consumer?
Just wondering.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:06 PM
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5. Certainly possible, but fees can be hard to discretely assign and pass on
Personally I'd go for a surcharge based on EBIT or EBITDA filed with their SEC (for public) or IRS (for private) paperwork. They have the incentive to maximize that for owner equity and investors, and yet it is hard to tie to individual cuatomers. Certainly they will try to raise fees etc but each bank will use a different approach and consumers can shop between them to choose fees that would not apply to them. I have little to no risk of an opverdraft for example so I can pick a high overdraft fee with no fee. People who don't use online banking like I do could pick a high online banking fee account, and so on.
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Exen Trik Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 10:48 PM
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13. Look at it this way:
The banks are going to charge us as much as possible, no matter how much we tax them. So let's just get back as much of what they steal from us as we can.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:00 PM
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3. A fee that is not easily passed along
Cause banks would never nickel and dime their customers to recoup their losses.

I have a better plan. Nationalize the banks and break them up. The people who should be in the unemployment line are the grossly overpaid financial CEOs who brought about this mess. Let's take their salaries and put everyone else to work......

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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:16 PM
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7. Not a good plan...
Better plan. Just start a national bank to compete. That way there is still choice, but you can go to the government bank as a choice.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-12-10 07:55 AM
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14. Because public options do so well in the Senate?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:02 PM
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4. If the Banks REALLY Wanted to Help Taxpayers
They would liquidate themselves, fire all their top grossing employees, and reorganize as credit unions.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 12:14 PM
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6. Why would a tax on compensation packages would be too easily evaded? Could
it be because they put whistle blowers in prison?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 07:39 PM
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12. It pays to remember that the current compensation structure is fairly new.
It determined that pay was increasing to quickly for executives and so they found ways to make pay increases have unpleasant tax consequences.

The result was deferred payments and--gasp!--stock options.

Things happened later to reduce the tax consequences of high pay, but they kept stock options.

Having stock options helped produce a very short-term perspective. This helped produce the two most recent bubbles.

So now they're talking about trying to make stock options have unpleasant tax consequences. But some way will almost certainly be found because they're trying to control behavior and ultimately morality and values one small behavior at a time, and people are creative and can move quickly in achieving their personal goals. Much faster than government usually can.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 01:08 PM
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8. I'd be interested in the details
Will this be a fee on all banks or just those who received TARP funds... which, they were supposed to pay back anyway?

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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:44 PM
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9. I'll believe it whe I see it.
Doesn't sound like something Rahmie or Timmy would let Barack do.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 02:48 PM
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10. Me too.
And, sadly, it's not just Rahm or Tim. DC is lousy with corporate whores.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-11-10 05:57 PM
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11. A very simple 95% tax on salaries above a target amount...
the same to apply to stock transfers and other future-type of financial game-playing.

If there is resistance, then a 100% tax on assets owned by these people. Some of the proposed salary increases/bonuses are in the 7 and 8 figure range.
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