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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 08:22 AM Original message |
'Necessity' defense: Did abortion doctor need to die? |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. The 'he needed killing' defense. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. DO you kill someone to save the life of another? |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Abortion is legal in this country, so I don't even believe the arguement that two wrongs make a |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Context is all wrong |
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namelessone (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. Manslaughter? |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. terrible the judge would even consider this defense - if jury can consider it, then |
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rbixby (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. I think that a ruling against the this defense would set a precedent |
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boobooday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
6. The judge should consider insanity before this |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
7. The defense won't fly. Otherwise, |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I would think that rational people would come to that conclusion, even in Kansas, where there is a |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. the threat must be comparable, imminent, with no effective alternative response. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. You said it better than I did... |
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Piewhacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. I saw it, and you were CORRECT, just like you usually are Hepburn. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
8. How could this be a necessity? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
48. Judge disallows 'necessity defense' in Tiller Case: Judge Warren Wilbert also says the murder trial |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
9. Deleted, posted downstream. n/t |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
11. Makes no sense coming from a "pro life" point of view |
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asjr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
12. I am not so much worried about the judge as |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. You make a good point. Whether or not the judge allows it, it only takes one |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
13. Right now, the judge is only considering it. He hasn't agreed they can present that |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
14. Necessity? So what about the fetuses that needed aborting? |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
15. If THAT"S the case I can think of several people........ just saying! .... |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
16. Is it justifiable to kill health insurance executives before they deny more |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
52. + 1,000 (nt) |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
17. So which is it? Voluntary manslaughter or Necessity defense? |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. "the harm must have been imminent " |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
53. Your "adequate lawful means" won't cover Dr. Tiller's practice |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
20. Legally abortion is legal, so that should not fly |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
21. WTF? |
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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
24. This won't just affect how abortion-related cases are tried, it will affect everything |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
25. Chilling effect just on abortions and MDs? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
28. Access to guns and ammo empowers everyone to be judge, jury and executioner. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
29. I don't think it's going to work out very well for him. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. And these abortions were medically necessary |
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Rozlee (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. You hit that nail on the head, JoeyT, |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
30. If he gets off, look for a lot of this, and maybe |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. Defense won't work. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Don't be so sure... |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. That's the rub all right. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
33. Necessity defense won't work in this case. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. My understanding |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Can be used in self-defense or defense of other people. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
34. Imagine all those doctors that would be killed if this defense were upheld. |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Wouldn't same apply to drunks who drive? Dangerous precedent to set. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
35. The laws of the state of Kansas concerning homicide are quite clear |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
36. Somebody Who Understands Law, Please Answer this Question for Me... |
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Betty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
41. Then Roeder shouldn't object if someone kills him |
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Guilded Lilly (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. This is absolutely |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
43. WTF. This better not fly. nt |
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DebbieCDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
45. This judge's ruling is total bullshit |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
49. Oh goody! Everyone gets to use their he/she needed killing list! |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-12-10 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
50. The voices in his head say this was justified. that's insanity. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
51. Back later . . . |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Wait! Take my list with you, too! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-13-10 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
55. You comments and summation of this make clear . . . |
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