Soldier who refused to return to Iraq plans to turn himself in as war prot

[UpInArms]

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SHERBORN, Mass. (AP) A Florida soldier who has refused to return to duty in Iraq said Monday he will to turn himself in to military authorities and seek conscientious objector status.

Staff Sgt. Camilo Mejia, 28, of Miami, was in Iraq from March until October last year, when he returned home on leave. He did not return to duty.

''I am saying no to war, I have chosen peace. I went to Iraq and was an instrument of violence and now I have decided to become an instrument of peace. War itself is evil and violence only leads to more violence and I have chosen not to be a part of it,'' Mejia said at a news conference at The Peace Abbey.

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''I am not a criminal. I have not committed a crime and I should not run,'' Mejia said.

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[prolesunited]

1. Let's see

Have they started the obligatory thread at FR yet suggesting that he be shot as a traitor or are they too busy organizing their Taco Bell boycott.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

5. Probably the latter.

[anarchy1999]

58. Can we please get this message out: I can't find anything more powerful!

http://www.calltoconscience.net/

Statement to the Troops
We are veterans of the United States armed forces. We stand with the majority of humanity, including millions in our own country, in opposition to the United States' all out war on Iraq. We span many wars and eras, have many political views and we all agree that this war is wrong. Many of us believed serving in the military was our duty, and our job was to defend this country. Our experiences in the military caused us to question much of what we were taught. Now we see our REAL duty is to encourage you as members of the U.S. armed forces to find out what you are being sent to fight and die for and what the consequences of your actions will be for humanity. We call upon you, the active duty and reservists, to follow your conscience and do the right thing.
In the last Gulf War, as troops, we were ordered to murder from a safe distance. We destroyed much of Iraq from the air, killing hundreds of thousands, including civilians. We remember the road to Basra -- the Highway of Death -- where we were ordered to kill fleeing Iraqis. We bulldozed trenches, burying people alive. The use of depleted uranium weapons left the battlefields radioactive. Massive use of pesticides, experimental drugs, burning chemical weapons depots and oil fires combined to create a toxic cocktail affecting both the Iraqi people and Gulf War veterans today. One in four Gulf War veterans is disabled.

During the Vietnam War we were ordered to destroy Vietnam from the air and on the ground. At My Lai we massacred over 500 women, children and old men. This was not an aberration, it's how we fought the war. We used Agent Orange on the enemy and then experienced first hand its effects. We know what Post Traumatic Stress Disorder looks, feels and tastes like because the ghosts of over two million men, women and children still haunt our dreams. More of us took our own lives after returning home than died in battle.

If you choose to participate in the invasion of Iraq you will be part of an occupying army. Do you know what it is like to look into the eyes of a people that hate you to your core? You should think about what your "mission" really is. You are being sent to invade and occupy a people who, like you and me, are only trying to live their lives and raise their kids. They pose no threat to the United States even though they have a brutal dictator as their leader. Who is the U.S. to tell the Iraqi people how to run their country when many in the U.S. don't even believe their own President was legally elected?

Saddam is being vilified for gassing his own people and trying to develop weapons of mass destruction. However, when Saddam committed his worst crimes the U.S. was supporting him. This support included providing the means to produce chemical and biological weapons. Contrast this with the horrendous results of the U.S. led economic sanctions. More than a million Iraqis, mainly children and infants, have died because of these sanctions. After having destroyed the entire infrastructure of their country including hospitals, electricity generators, and water treatment plants, the U.S. then, with the sanctions, stopped the import of goods, medicines, parts, and chemicals necessary to restore even the most basic necessities of life.

There is no honor in murder. This war is murder by another name. When, in an unjust war, an errant bomb dropped kills a mother and her child it is not "collateral damage," it is murder. When, in an unjust war, a child dies of dysentery because a bomb damaged a sewage treatment plant, it is not "destroying enemy infrastructure," it is murder. When, in an unjust war, a father dies of a heart attack because a bomb disrupted the phone lines so he could not call an ambulance, it is not "neutralizing command and control facilities," it is murder. When, in an unjust war, a thousand poor farmer conscripts die in a trench defending a town they have lived in their whole lives, it is not victory, it is murder.

There will be veterans leading protests against this war on Iraq and your participation in it. During the Vietnam War thousands in Vietnam and in the U.S. refused to follow orders. Many resisted and rebelled. Many became conscientious objectors and others went to prison rather than bear arms against the so-called enemy. During the last Gulf War many GIs resisted in various ways and for many different reasons. Many of us came out of these wars and joined with the anti-war movement.

If the people of the world are ever to be free, there must come a time when being a citizen of the world takes precedence over being the soldier of a nation. Now is that time. When orders come to ship out, your response will profoundly impact the lives of millions of people in the Middle East and here at home. Your response will help set the course of our future. You will have choices all along the way. Your commanders want you to obey. We urge you to think. We urge you to make your choices based on your conscience. If you choose to resist, we will support you and stand with you because we have come to understand that our REAL duty is to the people of the world and to our common future.

Veteran Signers
Signers as of March 08, 2004
Name, Branch, Years



Carl C. Abrahamson, Air Force, 1971-1974
George Abram, Army, 1966-1969
Lee Abrams, Marine Corps, 1963-1967
Stacy Adams, Navy, 1998-2002
Terry Scott Adams, Army, 1964-1966
Darwin Airola, Marine Corps, 1987-1991
Gerhard Schmidt Alexander, Army Reserve, 1987-1988
"Chicken" David Allen, Army, 1989-1992
Kelly A. Allison, Navy, 1975-1979
Larry Alpert, Navy, 1982-1992
Anthony Alvarez, Navy, 1984-1988
Fred Alvarez, Navy Reserve, 1969-1971
Joe Amarone Jr., Army, 1974-1976
Fred H. Anderson, Marine Corps, 1956-1959
Gary Andrews, Army, 1962-1967
Arvid Antonson, Air Force, 1942-1945
Ed Armas, Army, 1962-1965
Roy A. Armstrong, Army, 1968-1970
Dan C. Armstrong Sr., Navy, 1943-1946
Norman J. Arnett, Coast Guard, 1972-1973
Beatrice Arva, Air Force, 1985-1986 & Army, 1991-1993
Niall Aslen, Royal Air Force, 1962-1986
Stephanie R. Atkinson, Army, 1984-1990
Aram Attarian II, Air Force, 1965-1966
Paul L. Atwood, Marine Corps, 1965-1966
Mitch Aubut, Navy, 1969-1971
Daniel J. Avener, Army, 1967-1970
Henry Ayre, Coast Guard, 1942-1945
Collin Baber, Air Force, 1994-1998
Eric Bagai, Marine Corps, 1958-1961
Mack Bailey, Marine Corps, 1964-1966
David E Baker, Army, 1988-1991
Norman Balabanian, Army Air Corps, 1943-1946
Con Ballard, Navy, 1962-1966
Brett Baney, Marine Corps, 1998-2002
Jack Barbour, Air Force, 1966-1970
Therese Bissen Bard, Army, 1951-1956
Thomas E. Barden, Army, 1968-1971
Donna Bardos, Marine Corps, 1963-1964
Rex Barger, Air Force, 1943-1946
Anthony Barreiro, Army, 1982-1986
Tony Bartel, Marine Corps, 1959-1965
Lari R. Bartschi, Army, Korean War
Michelle L. Bastian, Army, 1976-1979
Russell Bates, Navy, 1967-1970
George Batton, Marine Corps
Jeffrey Bauman, Army, 1966-1968
Victor H. Bausch, Army, 1966-1968
Michael J. Beards, Army, 1988-1993 & 1999-2001
Steven Beck, Army, 1968-1970
Lila I. Bendkowska, Army, 1974-1976
Andy Benson, Army, 1992-1995
Philip L. Bereano, USPHS, 1966-1970
Andrew Scott Berman, Army, 1971-1973
Chester V. Berry, Navy, WW2
Dannie Lewis Berry, Navy, 1964-1966
Patricia Berry, Army, 1979-1988
Pauls Berzkalns, Air Force, 1977-1981
Frank Bessinger, Army, 1968-1971
James F. Bickford, Army & Army National Guard, 1989-1997
Anton Black, Navy, 1977-1984
Hector Black, Army, WWII
Kenneth T. Blackshaw, Air Force, 1959-1975
Dave Blalock, Army, 1968-1971
Michael Blankschen, Army, 1972-1973
David Bledsoe, Air Force, 1987-1997
Louis Block, Army, 1966-1972
C. David Blodgett, Navy Reserve, 1943-1946
Carl Boggs, Army, 1959-1962
Charles H. Bogino, Army, 1981-1986
Yoon Bok-dong, Marine Corps, 1972-1973
Robin Bolster, Navy, 1980-1983
Charlie Bonner, Marine Corps, 1963-1972
Blase Bonpane, Marine Corps Reserve, 1948-1950
Ronald L. Bontsema, Navy, 1943-1946 & Navy Reserve, 1946-1951
Brad Borland, Navy, 1961-1965
Fr. Bob Bossie SCJ, Air Force, 1955-1959
Allan Bostelmann, Army, 1953-1955
Reber Boult, Navy, 1958-1961
Roy Bourgeois, Navy, 1962-1966
Norman Angus Bowen, Air Force, 1962-1967
Lester Bowles, Army, 1968-1970
Terry Bown, Navy, 1969-1973
Kathleen Boyd, Army, 1974-1975 & 1984-1989
Horace R. Boykin, Marine Corps, 1979-1982
Todd Boyle, Navy, 1970-1972
Terry Braddock, Navy, 1974-1976
Richard W. Bradford, Air Force, 1971-1974
Peter Bradley, Army, 1960-1963
Gary Bramstedt, Air Force, 1960-1965
Harlan E. Branby, Air Force, 1957-1979
William P. Brandt, Army
Bruce Blanton Breece, Army, 1969-1971
Jon Brenard, Marine Corps, 1965-1969
Steven D. Brewer, Marine Corps, 1974-1976
Dorothy Brewington, Army, 1979-1987
Dana L. Briggs, Air Force, 1978-1988
Bernard Brightman, Air Force, 1941-1945
Bill Britt, Army, 1952-1955 & 1976-1996
Marjorie Broadbent, Australian Army Medical Women's Service, 1939-1945
Don Broadwell, Marine Corps, 1960-1966
Jerry Brooks, Air Force, 1956-1959
Ron Brooks, Air Force, 1977-1998
Jere Brower, Army, 1993-2002
Geoffrey Brown, Army, 1969-1971
Roger W Brown, Marine Corps, 1957-1960
James Browne, Army, 1971-1973
Peter Brush, Marine Corps, 1966-1968
Jon Bryan, Navy, 1964-1968
William Burk, Jr., Army, 1966-1969
Robert Burke, Marine Corps, 1969-1976
Bill Burkett, Army, 1971-1999
William C. Burns (in memorium), Navy, 1965-1967
Michael Duane Bury, Navy, 1967-1970
Greg Busby, Air Force, 1980-2000
Paul Busby, Navy, 1956-1958
Larry Bush, Army, 1968-1971
Michael Busich Sr., Marine Corps, 1965-1970
Jack Bussell, Army, 1959-1979
Dan Butts, Army, 1960-1963
Adrian Byers, Navy, 1990-1996
Philip J. Byler, Army, 1992-1996
Betty Byrd, Navy Reserve, 1968-1970
Leo Cachat, Army, 1951-1953
Scott R. Cade, Army, 1968-1971
Kevin A. Cahalan, Marine Corps, 1967-1970
William Scott Calkins, Marine Corps, 1988-1992
Calvin, Air Force, 1982-1984
Scott Camil, Marine Corps, 1965-1969
Rick Campos, Air Force, 1969-1971
Thomas Canaday, Army, 1991-1994
Richard Carauim, Navy, 1990-1994
James A. Cardin, Army, 1966-1969
James Carrall, Army, 1963-1965
Jane A. Carter, Marine Corps, 1957-1964 & Army Reserve, 1970-1980
Robert W. Carter, Army, 1954-1956
James Michael Case, Navy Reserve, 2.5 yrs
Thomas Casey, Navy, 1988-1992
Stephani Castillo, Army National Guard, 1996--2003
Gordon Catlin, Navy, 1984-1990
Janice Causey, Navy, 1990-1999
William J. Cavanaugh, Army, 1951-1953 & Army Reserve, 1953-1982
Brian Chambers, Army, 1968-1971
Fredy Champagne, Army, 1965-1966
David Chelimer, Army, 1954-1956
Guy Chichester, Navy, 1952-1956
Charles Chiodo, Army, 1968-1970
Gary A. Chipman, Army, 1970-1972
Elwood A. Chirrick,, 1970-1972
Dale Choppin, Army, 1962-1965
Russ Christensen, Army, 1950-1954
Harold C. Christiansen, Army, 1964-1966
Paul Christmas, Army, 1987-1991
Patricia Tibbetts Churchman, Navy, 1944-1946
Joseph Ciarrocca, Navy, 1967-1970
Andrew Clark, Army, 1994-1999
Debra J. Clark, Army, 1976-1984
Robert L. Clark, Air Force & Army, 1958-1967
Arthur W. Clark M.D., Army, 1971-1973
John Clarke, Air Force, 1951-1955
William John Clayton, Army, 1989-1992
Judith Coates, Air Force, 1966-1970
Diedra Cobb, Army Reserve, 2001-Present
Edward Coburn, Army, 1969-1972
Padraic J. Cohee, Army, 1953-1955
Earl M. Cohen, Army, 1968-1971
Eduardo Cohen, Army, 1965-1966
Joy A. (Lippert) Cohen, Army, 1981-1991
Rich Cohen, Army, 1963-1966
Timothy L. Coil, Army, 1984-1992
Anthony B. Cole, Army, 2001-2003
John Cole, Army, 1990-1994
David A. Collins, Marine Corps, 1967-1971
George J. Collins, Army, 1967-1973
Marco Coloma, Army, 1989-1992
Robert S. Colson Jr., Army, 1960-1979
Rockney Compton, Army, 1967-1974
Howard R. Conant, Army, 1943-1946
Gerry Condon, Army, 1967-1975
David Connolly, Army, 1967-1971
Thomas J. Connolly, Army, 1965-1967
Graham Conrad, Army National Guard, 1995-2001
Lee Conrad, Navy Reserve
James R. Cook, Air Force, 1969-1972
Raymond W. Cook, Air Force, 1969-1975
Cindy Marie Cooley, Marine Corps, 1992-1996
David Coombs, Navy, 1995-1999
Edward P. Copelin, Army, 1970-1971
Frank Corcoran, Marine Corps, 1968-1969
John F. Corcoran, Navy, 1953-1957
Willis Cornes, Army, 1966-1969
David Cortright, Army, 1968-1971
Roger D. Corvin, Coast Guard, 1971-1975
Scott Cossette, Marine Corps, 1999-2001
James Coty, Army, 1959-1962
Dave Coull, Scotland British Royal Air Force, 1959-1964
Davey Coull, Scotland SNP, 1939-1945
Dave Counsman, Army, 1982-1986
John W. Covey, Air Force, 1970-1974
Carrol B. Cox, Air Force, 1951-1955
Gary Cox, Army, 1952-1955
Mark Cox, Marine Corps, 1989-1992
Charles Craig, Navy, 1963-1965
Daniel Craig, Army, 1981-1993
Howard L. Crary, Navy, 1962-1992
James M. Craven, Army, 1963-1966
Kenneth G. Crawford, Army, 1957-1960
Jack M. Crich, Army & Air Force, 1940-1960
Charlotte Critcher, Army, 1969-1971
Steve Crocker, Army, 1984-1987
Rick Crockett, Navy, 1969-1971
Francis Crosby, Army, 1970-1976
Gary Phillip Crosby, Air Force, 1966-1970
Jay Crosby, Navy, 1965-1969
Jack L. Cross, Air Force, 1942-1946
Samuel Cross Jr., Air Force, 1959-1961
Roy Culver, Navy, 1942-1946
Milton Cunningham, Navy, 1943-1945
Diane Curran, Army & ARNG, 1969-1975
Liam Curry, Navy, 1984-1990
Charles R. Curtis, Army, 2000-2002
Gerald Curtis, Army, 1953-1955 & Air Force, 1955-1974
Nancy L. Curtis, Navy, 1968-1971
Les Dabney, Army, 1985-1991
Tamara L. Dagenais, Air Force, 1981-1988
Robert Danko, Army Reserve, 1964-1970
Jymie L. Darling, Air Force, 1988-1995
Daniel N. Daugherty, Air Force, 1976-1980
Don Davenport, Air Force, 1959-1967
Candice Davis, Navy, 1975-1979
Herbert Davis, Army, 1965-1967
Patrick Davis, Army, 1970-1971
Paul Davis, Marine Corps, 1964-1968
William Davis, Navy, 1967-1971
D. Daxx, Marine Corps, 1952-1954
Joseph G. De Fluri, Navy, 1978-1984
Frank De Leon Jr., Air Force, 1985-1992
Mike Dees, Navy, 1985-2001
Robert D. Denham, Army, 1964-1966
John C. Dennis, Coast Guard, 1971-1975
Robert B. Dennis, Army, 1953-1955
Frank M. DePaul, Navy, 1958-1961
Ed Desmond, Navy, 1967-1971
Dario Diaz, Air Force, 1996-1999
Eladio Diaz, Air Force, 1974-1976
Nick Diliberto, Air Force, 1951-1959
Carl Dix, Army, 1968-1972
Burwell Dodd, Army, 1956-1958
Emile Doering, Army, 1997-2001
Pete Doktor, Army, 1986-1989
James C. Donaldson Jr., Army, 1965-1967
Harold P. Donle M.A., Marine Corps, 1966-1969
Barry Donnan, British Army, 1987-1993
Thomas W. Donovan, Army, 1981-1992
Colleen Donovan-Batson, Army, 1978-1981
Shann Dornhecker, Navy, 1988-1992
Jennifer Dorsey, Air Force, 1996-1997
Pat Driscoll, Navy, 1972-1975
John DuBois, Army, 1962-1965
Christopher D. Dugan, Marine Corps, 1995-1999
Kenneth Dugan, Navy, 1984-1988
John Dunker, Army, 1964-1968
Roy Dunn, Navy, 1965-1971
Fred Duperrault, Army Air Force, 1944-1946
Dan Duvelius, Army, 1968-1972
Robert Frank Eadie, Air Force, 1962-1966
Russell Eastwood, Air Force, 1967-1972
John P. Echavarria, Air Force, 1965-1969
Thomas Eck, Army, 1970-1972
Stephen Eddy, Air Force, 1968-1972 & Reserves, 1985-1997
Thomas Edson, Army, 1971-1973
Stephen R. Edwards, Army, 1963-1965
Brenda Eggleston, Air Force, 1973-1979
Robert Egolf, Army, 2002
Timothy D. Eickholt, Army, 1966-1969
Richard Eime, Navy, 1982-1986
Bernie Eisenberg, Army, 1954-1956
Joe Eldred, Army, 1985-1998
David Eldredge, Navy, 1953-1955
Jake Elkins, Marine Corps, 1965-1969
John M. Elliott, Army, 1972-1976
Daniel Ellsberg, Marine Corps, 1954-1957
John Ericson, Army, 1954-1956
Marcus Eriksen, Marine Corps, 1985-1991
Edward M. Erlandson, Marine Corps, 1968-1970 & Army, 1976-1986
Orlando Espino, Marine Corps
Joi Estep, Army, 1983-1987
Douglas C. Estes, Navy, 1966-1969
John A. Evans, Army Air Corps, 1943-1946
Edward A. Everts, Air Force, 1941-1946
David Eytcheson, Army, 1965-1971
Lis D. Fano, Coast Guard, 1987-1992
Joseph C. Farah, Army, 1960-1963
Phil Farnham, Army, 1955-1957
Carole Farris, Navy Reserve, 1966-1970
George V. Fatsi, Air Force, 1950-1954
Bob Fehribach, Navy, 3 yrs
Frederick Feied, Air Force, 1943-1946
Amber Ferenz, Army, 1998-2001
Mike Ferner, Navy, 1969-1973
Robert L. Fields, Army, 1966-1969
Carol Fischer, Marine Corps, 1966-1968
Jerry Fischer, Army, 1969-1970
Rhys Fleig, Marine Corps, Active Duty
Ed Flowers, Army, 1962-1965
Billy Floyd, Navy, 1984-1991
Bob Foley, Army, 1957-1959
T. Patrick Foley, Navy, 1997-2000
David J. Fonda, Army, 1968-1971
Joseph G. Foran, Marine Corps, 1969-1970
William P. Foran, Coast Guard, 1965-1971
Frank D. Ford, Air Force, 1950-1953 & 1961-1964
Joe Forgy, Army, 1944-1945
Dr. Ray Foster, Army, 1972-1975
Joe Fowler, Air Force, 1966-1970
Lou Fox, Army, 1965
Melanye Francisco, Navy, 1992-1999
Stephen F. Franke, Air Force, 1956
John Fredericks, Army, 1987-1991
John W. Freeland, Army, 1966-1969
Samuel R. Freeman, Army, 1968-1970
Robert Freis, Navy, 1951-1955
Dean Friend, Marine Corps, 1981-1985
Jason Fritz, Marine Corps, 1996-2001
Joseph P. Furayter, Army, 1938-1940 & 1942-1945
Edward F. Gadziemski, Army, 1973-1976
John M. Gallagher, Air Force, 1967-1969
Bart Gambardello, Navy, 1977-1982
India Mahdi Gamboa, Air Force, 1985-1987
Carl Gant, Air Force, 1965-1986
Alfonoso Garcia, Army, 1970-1972
David B. Gardner, Army, 1953-1955
Kevin Gardner, Air Force, 1977-1983
John Gear, Navy, 1978-1989
Michael B. Gehl, Army, 1973-1976
Heather Gehron-Rice, Coast Guard, 1992-1996
Alan M. Gerth, Navy, 1981-1987
Joseph Gertig, Army, 1869-1972
Jim Gibson, Army, 1968-1970
Stuart R Gillespie, Army, 1958-1961
Jack Gilroy, Army, 1953-1956
Eugene T. Giovanazzi, Air Force, 1951-1954
Eddie J. Girdner, Navy, 1973-1977
Paul Glazzard, British Army, 1977-1984
Robert B. Godwin, Army, 1953-1955
Stanley A. Goff, Army, 1970-1996
Ernest Goitein, Army, 1943-1945
Trevor Goodger-Hill, Navy, 1951-1952
Jay R. Goodman, Army, 1969-1970
Theodore W. Goodman, Air Force Reserve, 1943-1946 & 1951-1955
Amy C. Goodrich, Army, 1997-2002
R. Thomas Goodwin, Marine Corps, 1969-1971
Sissy Goodwin, Air Force, 1965-1976
James F. Gorman, Marine Corps, 1966-1968
John Gourley, Army Air Corps, 1944-1946
Darrell L. Gray, Army, 1948-1952
Robert Greenberg, Army, 1958-1962
Todd Greenwood, Marine Corps, 1993-2001
Warren R. Greer, Navy Reserve, 1943-1945
Nona Lee Gregg, Air Force, 1962-1969
Ray Gribble, Army, 1965-1968
A.J. Grimm, Navy, 1946-1946 & 1951-1953
R. C. Guerrero, Marine Corps, 1964-1968
Josef Gutenkauf, Army, 1943-1946
Alex Hadady, Army, 1992-2001
Edmonde Haddad, Air Force, 1951-1954
Lawrence Hagerty, Navy, 1966-1969
Steven Haines, Navy, 1963-1966
Dennis Haldeman, Navy, 1971-73
Linda J. Halford, Army, 1968-1969
Harry G. Hall, Navy, 1965-1979
Kev Hall, Navy, 1973-1978
Ray Hambleton, Army, 1968-1970
Robert Charles Hamilton III, Navy, 1986-1990
Jane D. Hamm, Marine Corps, 1943-1945
Steve Hamm, Air Force, 1965-1969
James Hamon, Air Force, 1954-1956
Robert Hanegan, Army, 1966-1969 & Air Force, 1981-1989
John Hanrahan, Army, 1961-1963
John Hanscom, Air Force, 1968-1990
Bob Hanson, Army, 1954-1956
Eric G. Hanson, Army, 1968-1970
Gregg Harcus, Air Force, 1966-1970
James F. Harrington, Air Force, 1966-1967
David L. Harris, Air Force, 1965-1967
Phillip Harris, Air Force, 2000-Present
Charles D. Hartik, Army, 1964-1966
BJ Hartzell, Army, 1969-1972
Martin Harwayne, Army, 1843-1946
Gayle J. Hasley, Navy, 1963-1984
Mike Hastie, Army, 1969-1972
John M. Hatcher, Army, 1989-1993
James F. Hatcher, Jr., Air Force, 1968-1972
William T. Hathaway, Army, 1964-1967
Mike Havenar, Marine Corps, 1958-1962
Edward Havitz, Army, 1951-1953
Joseph B. Hawkins, Army, 1972-1973
Kim Hawkins, Navy, 1985-1991
Robert G. Hawthorne,, 1943 1946
Carl M. Hay, Air Force, 1968-1969
Mike Hazard, Coast Guard, 1970-1976
Rev. Richard K. Heacock Jr., Navy, 1944-1946
Gordon Cliff Heegel, Army, 1979-1986
Todd T. Heintz, Navy, 1988-1992
Glenn Helkenn, Army, 7 yrs
Benjamin B. Henderson, Navy, 1979-2001
Cheryl B. Henderson, Navy Reserve, 1974-1998
Dud Hendrick, Air Force, 1963-1967
Daryl Henegar, Air Force, 1977-1996
Robert L. Hennel, Army, 1969-1970
Edwin H. Hennesey, Marine Corps, 1957-1967 & Air Force, 1971-1975
Rodger Herbst, Army, 1969-1971
Luke A. Herda, Army, 1971-1973
Andres Hernandez, Navy Reserve, 1979-1985
Cesar F. Hernandez, Marine Corps, 1967-1970
Steven A. Hessler, Air Force, 1973-1975
John Heuer, Merchant Marine, 1967-1968
James Hibbard, Army, 1955-1957
Douglas Higgs, Army, 1969-1971
Percy Hilo, Air Force, 1966-1970
Steve Hines, Coast Guard, 1989-1994
Oliver Hirsch, Air Force, 1966-1968
Francis L. Hiser III, Navy, 1980-Present
Carl Hitchens, Marine Corps, 1967-1969
John Hockman, Army, 1963-1965
Steve Hoffman, Navy, 1977-1983
Dale Hoffmann, Navy, 1956-1959
Benjamin B. Holgate, Army, 1988-1991
Larry Holmes, Army, 1971-1972
Fred Horboychuk, Air Force, 1955-1963
Gary Hornfeld, Navy Reserve, 1968-1970
Michael Hovey, Navy, 1971-1976
Arthur M. Howard, Army Air Force, 1944-1947
Walter Hrozenchik, Navy, 1951-1955
Mark Huber, Navy Reserve, 1951-1955 & 1961-1971
Yolanda Huet-Vaughn M.D., Army Reserve, 1976-1981 & 1990-1995
Daniel J. Hughes, Navy, 1997-2000
Ed Hutchinson, Navy, 1942-1946
James Patrick Hynes, British Army, 1940s
A. S. Mahdi Ibn-Ziyad, Air Force, 1961-1969
Theresa Ikard, Air Force, 1974-1978
Todd Ikard, Navy, 1961-1965
David M. Ionno, Army, 1970-1971
Michael Isabell, Navy, 1990-1992
Susan Ives, Army, 1977-1992
Leo Jacobs, Army, 1942-I946
Juliet Jacobsen, Air Force, 1997-2002
Daniel P. Jacobson, Navy, 1968-1972
Anasazi James, Marine Corps & Navy, 1983-1997
Arthur James, Army, 1969-1970
Harold B. Jamison, Air Force, 20 years
Charles Jannuzi, Army National Guard, 1980-1988 & Army Reserve, 1988-1989
Allen L. Jasson, Australian Army, 1972-1974
Thomas Jelf, Army, 1950-1953
Joseph A. Jennings III, Army, 1967-1970
Michael L. Job, Army, 1968-1970
Ralph Johansen, Army, 3 years
Eric Edward Johansson, Army, 1989-1992
Amber Johnson, Army National Guard, Aug 2000-Present
Bethanie Beauchem Johnson, Army, 1988-1992
Jewel R. Johnson, Navy, 1944-1946
Lance Johnson, Army, 1992-1996
Mark Johnson, Army, 1988-1992
Steve Johnson, Army, 1967-1970
William Johnson, Navy, 1961-1965
H. Laron Johnston, Army, 1966-1968
James C. Johnston, Army, 1966-1968
John P. Jones, Army, 1966-1968
Mike Jordan, Navy, 1966-1970
Timothy G. Jordan, Air Force, 1971-1974 & Army National Guard, 1979-1981 & Army Reserves, 1985-1987
Laurie Josue, Air Force, 1986-1990
Eric Joyal, Army, 1989-1996
Sharon Joyner, Army, 1976-1979
Olaniyan Kanissa'ai, Navy, 1972-1974
Jim Karas, Army, 1968-1981
Thomas V. Karlin, Navy, 1956-1960
James Michael Kearney, Army, 1963-1965
Robert Keeley, Army, 1963-1965
Eric Kees, Navy, 1975-1981
Shelly R. Kekes, Army National Guard, 1978-1982
Ray Kell, Army, 1945-1946
Gerald Keller, Army, 1977-1981
Jim Keller, Navy, 1987-1991
Keith Keller, Air Force, 1966-1972
Charles Kelley, Marine Corps, 1965-1967
Elizabeth A. Kelly, Navy, 1975-1977
Gary E. Kelly, Army, 1989-1998
Harold E. Kelly Jr., Air Force, 1977-1984
Tom Kelso,, 1982-1986
Jesse E. Kern, Army, 1953-1954
George Kerschen, Army, 1966-1969
George M. Kesselring, Air Force, 1942-1963
Gerald Kessler, Air Force, 1940-1945
Jim Keyser, Marine Corps, 1966-1968
Talat Khan, Air Force, 1986-1992
Peretz Kidron, Israeli Defense Force, 1954-1957
John Kieras, Army, 1968-1970
Charles E. Kilboy Sr., Navy Reserve, 1952-1954
Richard L. Kilgore, Marine Corps, 1965-1967
Melanie Carlone Kilmarx, Navy, 1987-1993
Charles Kilmer, Army, 1967-1970
Harold LM Kimball, Army, 1990-2001
Neil Howard King, British, 1984-1998
Robert A. Kinsey, Marine Corps, 1955-1961
Robert Kirkconnell, Air Force, 1967-1994
Karl Kitchen, Air Force, 1981-1985
Michael G. Klaff, Navy, 1969-1973
Candace J. Klein, Navy, 1976-1977
Ralf Klein, German Airforce, 1974-1986
Greg Kleven, Marine Corps, 1966-1968
Gregory John Kleven, Marine Corps, 1966-1976
Leif Klokkevold, Army, 1994-2000
Ronald Knarr, Marine Corps, 1950-1952
Daniel Knowles, Army, 1998-2001
Ibrahim Kobeissi, Marine Corps Reserve, until 2006
Justin Kodner, Army, 1952-1954
Tony Kosloski, Navy, 1963-1967
Ron Kovic, Marine Corps, 1964-1968
Raymond Krauss, Marine Corps, 1969-1972
Robert Krezewinski, Navy, 1973-1977
Duane A. Kuhlmann, Air Force, 1943-1974
Marty Kunz, Navy, 1970-1976
Krystal Kyer, Navy, 1993-1997
Michelle LaBrosse, Air Force, 1980-1987
Mike Ladich, Marine Corps, 1943-1946
Edwin Lainhart, Navy, 1964-1968
Jack A. Lancaster, Navy, WW2
Dustin S Langley, Navy, 1986-1994
Greg D. Lanning, Navy, 1982-1986
Dennis LaPlant, Army, 1966-1969
Robert D. Larson, Navy, 1964-1968
Doug Laughlin, Air Force, 1987-1992
Dwight Lawton, Navy, 1953-1957
Michael Lawton, Navy, 1962-1965
Mark Laythorpe, Air Force, 1976-1980
Robert Brittain Leach, Army, 1961-1964
Bryan J. Ledoux, Army, 1976-1980 & 1988-1999
Keith Lee, Army, 1998-2001
Kenneth M. Lee, Army, 1970-1973
Norm Lee, Air Force, 1947-1954
Larry Lefler, Navy, 1966-1970
William T. Leichner, Marine Corps, 1967-1969
Tim Lennon, Army, 1965-1968
Robert Leslie, Army, 1968-1970
Robert A. Leslie, Army, 1968-1969
Lew Levenson, Navy, 1948-1985
Michael Levin, Navy, 1956-1960
John L. Levy, Navy Reserve, 1942-1946
Oswald Lewinter, Army, 1950-1985
Brian Lewis, Air Force, 1982-1988
Dan Lewis, Navy Reserve, 1976-1995
Eric Lewis, Marine Corps, 1982-1986
Janet Marie Lewis, Army, 1989-1993
Neal Liden, Navy, 1965-1969
Norman Linton, Army, 1951-1954
Norman Linton, Army, 1950-1953
Janine Lockwood, Army, 1975-1978
Edward M. Long, Army, 1943-1945
William L. Lord, Army, 1962-1965
Tom Lorenz, Air Force, 1967-1989
Charles Luce, Air Force, 1955-1959
Jon David Lucore, Army, 1992-1996
Larry Lugar, Army, 1960-1966
Jerome M. Lui, Army, 1944-1946
Keth Luke, Army, 1967-69
Carrie Lundberg, Air Force, 1983-1991
James Lynch, Army, 1971-1973
Donald M. Lyng, Army Reserve, 1991-1995 & Army, 2001-Present
John Lynn, Army Reserve, 1962-1968
David Lysne, Army, 1984-1989
John Thomas Mac Lean, Army, 1943-1946
Fred W. MacArthur Jr., Air Force, 1958-1983
Lee Magnuson, Navy Reserve, 1956-1962
Denis Maguire, Navy, 1941-1942 & Army Air Corps, 1942-1946
Anthony Mallin, Navy, 1943-1945 & Navy Reserve, 1950-1951
Donald F. Maple, Navy, 1945-1946
George Mariscal, Army, 1968-1970
Gary D. Martin, Army, 1966-1968
Brandy Martinez-Rogers, Army, 1996-1997
Alan C. Maskell, Army, 1968-1971
Esther Massimini, Air Force, 1979-1984
Roger N. Matherly, Navy, 1972-1976
Jonathan O. Matteson, Army, 1983-1991
Charles L. Mauch, Air Force, 1956-1958
Joseph May, Marine Corps, 1953-1955
Robert Mayer, Army National Guard, 1970-1971
Kenneth E. Mayers, Marine Corps, 1958-1966 & Reserve, 1966-1978
Rela Mazali, Israel Defense Force, 1966-1968
George McAnanama, Army, 1966-1968
Mark McCleary, Navy, 1996-2002
O'Kelly McCluskey, Navy, 1944-1946 & Air Force, 1953-1957
Jim McCombe, Army, 1953-1955
Perry McCorkle, Army, 1981-1985
Antoinette McCormick, Navy, 1987-1991
Carl B. McCoy, Army, 1966-1969
Paul James McCoy, Navy, 1943-1945
James P. McCrumb, Navy, 1967-1970
Robert G. McElwain, Air Force, 1963-1967
Bruce McFarland, Navy, 1982-1986
Joe H. McFatter, Jr., Air Force, 1969-1972
Jim McGowen, Navy, 1969-1972
C. Andrew McGuffin, Marine Corps, 1990-1994
Capt. Jim McIntyre, Navy Reserve, 1962-1968
Allen McKinnis, Marine Corps, 1972-1974
Jim McWatt, Army, 1.5 yrs
Norman Meadows, Air Force, 1982-2000
Sheila Meadows, Air Force, 1979-1985
Carl Mease, Marine Corps, 1965-1969
Teresa Media, Navy, 1972-1977
Al Melville, Navy, 1985-1991
Katherine I. Menges, Army, 1984-1994
Lloyd D. Mercer, Army, 1965-1968
Norman T. Merkel, Army, 1967-1969
Nathaniel I. Merwin, Army, 1993-2001
Barbara Michael, Army, 1977-1980 & Army Reserve, 1980-1997
Dale Miller, National Guard, 1978-2003
Greg Miller, Army, 1966-1968
Norman S. Miller, Army, 1939-1946
Patrick Miller, Air Force, 1971-1975
Ronnie D. Miller, Army, 3 yrs
Will Miller, Army Security Agency, 1957-1962
Dr. Dennis W. Mills, Army, 1966-1969
Donald Minasian, Army, 1962-1965
Jack Minassian, Army, 1943-1945
Joshua Minchen, Army, 1997-2000
Hank Missenheim Jr., Marine Corps, 1979-1982
Rob Moitoza, Navy, 1965-1971
George Molina, Marine Corps, 1968-1970
Autumn Montgomery, Air Force, 1992-1994
James W. Moore, Air Force, 1950-1954
Michael Moore, Army, 1975-1979
Paul S. Moorhead, Navy, 1943-1946
Austin Moran, Navy, 1978-1985
Robert Moreland, Army, 1977-1986
Dale L. Morgan, Air Force, 1956-1960
Daryl S. Morgan, Navy, 1967-1971
David Rees Morgan, British Royal Air Force, 1948-1950
Kenneth Morgan, Army, 1966-1969
Catherine Morris, Marine Corps, 1981-1985 & Army National Guard, 1989-1996
Rob Morris, Army, 1965-1969
William Morris, Air Force, 1979-1999
Bryan Morrison, Air Force, 1994-1998
Paul Pat Morse, Air Force, 1965-1968
Steve Morse, Army, 1969-1971
Glen Motil, Marine Corps, 1987-1991
Nancy Mrazik, Navy, 1979-1992
Sheree A. Mullen, Army, 1974-1980
Charles F. Munat, Army & Navy, 1979-1985
Carlos Munoz Jr., Army, 1959-1962
Eric W. Munson, Army, 1985-1995
Joanne Murphy, Army Corps of Engineers, 2 years
Robert J. Murphy, Navy Reserve, 1943-1967 & Navy, 1950-1953
Frederick A. Murray, Army, 1976-1980
John L. Murray, Army, 1971-1973
Hal Muskat, Army, 1965-1970
Germane Nachious, National Guard, 1994-2000
Dr. Thomas J. Nagy, JROTC, 1958-1960 & ROTC, 1962-1964
Mary Neack, Army National Guard, 1980-1987
Greg Nees, Marine Corps, 1969-1971
Douglas Nelson, Army, 1967-1971
William Nemcik, Army, 1968-1971
Dale Nesbitt, Army, 1953-1955
John Paul Nettleton, Marine Corps, 1967-1971
Joan Duffy Newberry, Air Force, 1968-1970
John Niemi, Army, 1968-1970
Stan Nishimura, Army, 1964-1967
Donald Nobach, Air Force, 1956-1960
Vince Nobile, Air Force, 1966-1970
Mike Nordine, Army, 1998-2000
Jim Northrup, Marine Corps, 1961-1966
Tom Norwood, Army, 1952-1954
Edward J. Novicki, Marine Corps, 1973-1978
Thomas Nowak, Navy, 1970-1972
Lewis M. Nusgarten, Army, 1967-1970
Robert Nuzum, Navy, 1950-1953
Richard Nygard, Army, 1969-1971
Aka Oceab, Marine Corps, 1966-1968
Gerard O'Connor, Army, 1985-1991
Thomas O'Connor, Navy, 1977-1983
Gerald Oleson, Army National Guard, 1966-1972
Kirsten C. Olson, Army National Guard, 1989-1997
Jerome P. O'Mara, Army, 1966-1968
William D. O'Neil, Air Force, 1951-1955
Greg A. O'Neill, Navy, 1970-1974 & Army, 1979-1983
John L. Opperman, Navy, 1951-1970
T. E. Origer, Marine Corps, 1967-1969
Victor L. Ortiz, Army, 32 yrs
Ralph Osbon, Army, 1957-1977
Clyde J. Oskins, Navy, 1944-1946
Doug Osmond, Army, 4 years
Theodore J. Otteson, Navy Reserve, 1943-1946
Brian Ouellette, Navy, 1996-2000
Raynard Dean Packard, Army, 1985-1988
Wayne Evan Packwood,, 1964-1968
Roy 0. Padilla III, Marine Corps, 1984-1992
John J. Pagoda, Air Force, 1965-1968 & 1985-1998
Todd A. Papasadero, Army, 1983-1989
John Pappademos, Navy Reserve, 1943-1946
George W. Pardington, Navy, 1971-1991
Jeff Paterson, Marine Corps, 1986-1990
Tom Pattee, Army, 1969-1972
William Patterson, Army, 1964-1967
Paul Pawlowski, Army, 1996-2000
Norman L. Pearman, Army, 1950-1952
Sidney Peck, Navy, 1944-1946
Richard Pedersen, Navy Reserve, 1955-1959
David Peevers, Navy, 1965-1967
Joe Peitte, Air Force, 1966-1969
Robert Perrotta, Army, 1966-1968
James Perry, Marine Corps, 1966-1968
Phil Perry, Navy, 1968-1972
William Mark Peter, Navy, 1991-1993
William T. Peters, Army, 1965-1968
Gary Petersdorf, Air Force, 1968-1972
Jan M. Peterson, Army, 1974-1980
Michael Phelts, Army, 2001-Present
Dean C. Pikoulas, Army, 1968-1971
William A. Pillar, Army Air Corp, 1944-1946
Robert Piper, Air Force, 1995-1999
Jerry Pittman, Army, 1972-1975
Mike Plylar, Air Force, 1973-1977
Seth Pollack, Army, 1988-1997
Joseph W. Potts, Marine Corps, 1970-1972
Mark A. Potts, Air Force, 1991-1993
Joseph M. Powers, Army, 1970-1971
Robert Puett, Army, 1986-1993
George Pumphrey, Army, 1968-1970
Guillermo Quebral, Army, 1966-1970
William Arthur Raab, Navy Reserve, 1943-1946
Mike Racine, Army, 1986-1990
Father Bob Rademacher, Army, 1942-1946
Charles N. Raines, Army, 1980-1984
Keith Rashall, Air Force, 1964-1967
Arlene Mae Reduto, Coast Guard, 1974-1977
Steven C. Reese, Navy Reserve, 1995-Present
Douglas Reeves, Army, 1990-1995
John Regan, Army, 1990-1991
Ward Reilly, Army, 1971-1974
Charles A. Reynolds, Army, 1952-1954
Robert E. Reynolds, Air Force, 1950-1957
Tim Richards, Air Force Reserve, 1970-1973
John P. Richardson, Army, 1988-1990
Dana Richter, 1967-1971
Timothy Rieman, Army, 1983-1987
Jerry D. Riley, Army, 1953-1955
Kevin Riley, Air Force, 1984-1988
Charles Riley Jr., Army, 1962-1965
Ervine M. Rips, Army, 1942-1946
Roger Ritchie, Navy, 1965-1967
Robert Roach, Navy, 1974-1978
Douglas Robbins, Air Force, 1952-1956
Norman M. Roberson, Marine Corps, 1960-1971
Marcia Furayter Roberts, Army, 1983-1991
Donald E. Roberts Jr., Navy, 1978-1988
Joe Rodriguez, Coast Guard, 1983-1991
Robert J. Rogers, Air Force, 1951-1953
James H. Romer, Army, 1954-1956
David Michael Rosa, Army, 1972-1978
Irwin A. Rose, Navy, WWII
Robert L. Rosenberg, Army, 1944-1946
Eric M. Ross, Navy, 1989-1994
Samuel M. Ross, Merchant Seaman, 1941-1946
Pete Rostow, Marine Corps, 1972-1974
Randy Rowland, Army, 1967-1970
George Rubin, Army Air Force, 1943-1945
John Rueckert, Marine Corps, 1967-1969
Linda S. Ruffini, Army, 1980-1984
Antonio Ruiz, Army, 1983-1992
Joseph A. Ruiz, Army, 1971-1972
Phillip Rumple, Air Force, 2000-2003
Shannon Rumple, Air Force, 2000-Present
Felix Rusnak, Army, 2 yrs
Steven J. Russell, Marine Corps, 1969-1972
James Ryan, Army, 1962-1967
Rodney A. Rylander, Air Force, 1962-1967
Steven E. Saelzler, Army, 1969-1971
Fred Samia, Marine Corps, 1966-1968
Donald F. Sanborn, Air Force, 1952-1956
Kenna E. Sander, Army, 1982-1985
Emile E. Sander IV, Marine Corps, 1980-2000
Lee Santa, Army, 1965-1968
William F. Santelmann Jr., Marine Corps & Air Force Reserve, 1954-1957
Luis Manuel Santiago, Army, 6 yrs
Patrick Santy, Air Force, 1966-1970
Lisa A. Sarinelli, Army, 1981-1985
Scott Satterwhite, Navy, 1990-1999
Dan Scaarlett, Army, 1943-1945
Dwight E. Scarbrough II, Navy, 1975-1980
Charles Scarlott, Army, 1953-1954
Paul Schaefer, Air Force, 1960-1964
Larry Schartman, Navy, 1971-1975
Richard Hermann Schmidt, Navy, 1957-1960
Louis Anthony Schmittroth Jr., Army, 1943-1956
Ken Schneider, Air Force, 1960-1964
Nikko Schoch, Army, 1968-1970
Danny R. Schulte, Army, 1966-1969
Larry Schwab, Army, 1967-1968
Allen T. Schwartz, Navy, 1990-1991
David Schwenk, Navy, 1976-1980
Ken Schwilk, Army, 1968-1969
Steven R. Kim Scipes, Marine Corps, 1969-1973
Betty R. Scott, Navy, 1943-1945
Richard Scott, Air Force, 1961-1965
Walter M. Scott, Army, 1960-1962
Donald E. Seaman, Coast Guard, 1943-1946
George Seaman, Army, 1971-1975
Briggs Seekins, Army, Gulf War
Melanie G. Selby, Army National Guard, 1985-1995
Jason Selders, Army, 2002-present
Esther Serrano, Marine Corps, 1968-1969
Patricia J. Sewell, Army, 1969-1971
Ronald W. Seymour, Marine Corps, 1967-1970
Burt Shachter, Air Force, 1944-1946
Dr. Edward H. Shaffer, Army, 1942-1946
Richard Shaffer, Marine Corps, 1956-1959
Earl J. Sharp, Army, 1965-1967
Danny L. Shaw, Army, 1966-1968
Peter B. Shaw, Marine Corps, 1951-1954
Paul A. Sheehan, Air Force, 1988-1992
Victoria Shillingford, Army, 1994-2003
James F. Shockley, Army, 1975-1979
Andrew Showalter, Army, 1966-1971
Larry Shute, Army, 1952-1954
Vern Simula, Army, 1954-1956
Larry Skwarczynski, Army, 1963-1966
William O. Slayman, Navy, 1943-1946
Bob Slentz-Kesler, Army, 1990-1992
Bradley Smith, Navy, 1974-1980
Charles T. Smith, Army, 1969-1971
Mark Smith, Navy, 1994-1997
Robert Smith, Navy, 1971-1974
Thomas Smith, Air Force, 1965-1969
William Raymond Smith, Army, 1955-1957
Robert Grover Smith Jr., Army, 1967-1997
Douglas C. Smyth, Army Security Agency, 1961-1964
Valarie Snell, Army, 1990-2000
Robert Snyder, Army, 1961-1962
Tracey William Snyder, Navy, 1994-1998
Lawrence Sobczyk, Navy, 1966-1969
Matthew D. Sorensen, Army, 1977-1980
Robert Sorrell, Navy, 1963-1967
Ron Southan, Army, 1967-1970
Herbert F. Spirer, Navy, 1943-1946
Steve Springer, Army, 1967-1970
Oral Preston Stallings Jr., Marine Corps, 1965-1968
Eric Scott Stamper, Navy, 1982-1990
Carl R. Stancil, Navy, 1965-1971
Phil Stanton, Navy, 1959-1971
Charles E. Stark, Army, 1974-1977
James Starowicz, Navy, 1967-1971
Gerald A. Steele, Army, 1970-1972
Joe Steele, Air Force, 1966-1970
John Steinbach, Coast Guard, 1965-1969
Bryce Stephen, Army, 1968-1971
Robert Stephens, Marine Corps, 1966-1970
Joe Stern, Air Force, 1941-1946
Vernon M. Stevens, Army, 1941-present
John D. Stickle, Air Force, 1966-1970
Ted Stolze, Air Force, 1979-1980
Mike Stone, Army Air Corp, 1945
William B. Strange Jr., Army, 1967-1970
Roy L. Streit, Navy, 1967-1968
Harold Strom,, 25 years
Tom Sturtevant, Navy, 1950-1954
James Sudduth, Air Force, 1970-1974
Victor Sudik, Army, 1966-1968
Donovan Sullivan, Air Force, 1972-1976
Michel E. Sullivan, Navy, 1974-1980
Darnell S. Summers, Army, 1966-1970
Scott Sumner, Air Force, 1969-1972
Carole A. Sutton, Air Force, 1979-1982
Leslie W. Sutton, Air Force, 1973-1993
Cindy Swartz, Army National Guard, 1979-1999
Charles W. Sweet, Army, 1942-1946
Bob Swicker, Army, 1967-1969
Thomas Swift, Army, 1953-1955
James Swindler, Air Force, 1966-1969
Richard Tagett, Air Force, 1955-1959
Harold Taggart, Air Force, 1959-1964
Toby Tahja-Syrett, Army, 1992-1996
Bruce William Taylor, Navy, 10 years
Ron Taylor, Army, 1967-1970
d'andre Teeter, Navy, 1965-1966
Thomas Tempske, Coast Guard, 1972-1976
Anthony Testa, Army, 1962-1965
Elliott Teters, Army, 1977-1980
John Thigpen, Navy, 1966-1970
Alfred J. Thomas, Army, 1967-1970
Carroll R. Thomas, Army, 1966-1969
Mr. Whallen Thomas, Marine Corps, 1965-1969
Joe Thompson, Army, 1958-1961
William R. Thompson, Marine Corps, 1964-1968
Jeremiah J. Timmins, Marine Corps, 1992-1997
Patricia Todovich, Army, 1977-1992
Edward L. Tonningsen, Army, 1943-1946
Willard Tower, Army, 1967-1970
Robert Travaline, Air Force, 1968-1972
Clare Tremper, Marine Corps, 1980-1986
Tom Trigg, Army, 1967-1975
Jessica Tucker, Army National Guard, 1999-Present
Gregg Tull, Navy Reserve, 1975-1981
Gabriella Turek, Navy Reserve, 1989-2002
Michael F. Turek, Air Force, 1968-1972
Christopher Turner, Army, 1994-1997
Stanley Ray Turpin, Army, 1987-1992
Peggy Tuxen-Akers, Army, 1969-1972
John F. Uggen, Marine Corps Reserve, 1967-1974
Michael Uhl, Army, 1967-1969
Robert Underwood, Army, 1969-1971
Joe Urgo, Air Force, 1966-1970
Tom Urgo, Army, 1968-1970
Steven Vallee, Air National Guard, 1989-Present
Gretchen Vanek, Army, 1970-1972 & 1990-1991
Michael Vaughan, Navy, 1976-1980
Wendy Veith, Army, 1980-1984
Frederick J. Vermillion,, 1951-1955
Kurt Vonnegut, Army, 1943-1945
Robert Vreeland, Army, 1967-1969
Gerald Waite, Army, 1967-1982
George Waldman, Air Force, 1966-1970
John Walker, Marine Corps, 1950-1955
Paul J. Walker, Air Force, 1974-1978
Mark Waller, Army, 1984-1988
Michael Wallschlaeger, Marine Corps, 1983-1986
James R. Walton, Air Force, 1966-1970
Jim Ward, Air Force, 1954-1963
Robert Lee Jimmy Ward, Air Force, 1954-1963
Tom Ward, Air Force, 1959-1963
Winston Warfield, Army, 1967-1970
Kevin Warner, Army, 1985-1989
William H. Warrick III MD, Army Security Agency, 1968-1971
John Warriner, Air Force, 1964-1969
Eric Wasileski, Navy, 1993-1999
Brian G. Watko, Army, 1992-1996
Cora Tula Watters, Marine Corps, Korean Era
Carl Webb, Army, 1982-present
Kenneth Weeks, Marine Corps, 1960-1966
Chris Welch, Air Force, 1984-1988
Jeff Welch, Navy, 1984-1988
Michael Welsh, Army, 1970-1973
Joel Wendland, Army, 1991-1993
Jerry West, Marine Corps, 1965-1970
Phillip Whitaker, Air Force, 1973-1981
Chris White, Marine Corps, 1994-1998
Michael White, Army, 1992-1997
Roy W. White, Air Force, 1949-1953
Tim White, Air Force, 1966-1970
Darrell Widner, Navy, 1977-1981
Bruce Wieser, Air Force, 1964-1966
David Wiggins MD, Army, Gulf War
E. Duane Wilkerson, Air Force, 1969-1973
Gary L. Wilkerson, Air Force, 1966-1970
Sonny Williams, Army, 1966-1970
John W. Willmott, Navy Reserve, 1943-1944
Jack Wilson, Army, 1957-1961
Tom Stacey Wilson, Navy, 1948-1952
Glenn Winestead M.D., Army Medical Corp, 1971-1972
John P. Wirtz, Army, 1943-1946
Tim Withee, Navy, 1968-1972
James Wojtkowski, Navy, 1969-1972
Bruce Wolcott, Army, 1967-1970
Gene Wolf, Army, 1953-1955
Mike Wong, Army, 1969-1975
Robert J. ``Woody'' Woodruff, Army, 1966-1970
Jim Woods, Coast Guard, 1969-1972
Armin Wright, Army, 1955-1958
Paul Wright, Army, 1983-1987
William Yates, Navy, 1943-1946
Richard L. Young, Navy, 1950-1954
Leonard Zablow, Army, 1945-1946
Luis Zamora, Army, 1948-1971
Jeff Zamrzla, Marine Corps, 1974-1976
Richard M. Zaner, Air Force, 1951-1958
Eddie Zawaski, Navy, 1967-1968
Howard Zinn, Air Force, 1943-1945
David C. Zoesch, Navy, 1970-1975
Greg Zolad, Army, 1967-1969
John Zoll, Army, 1982-1996
Tom Zollo, Army, 1958-1961

[anarchy1999]

86. What he has done takes a tremendous amount of courage.

Say what you will.

I respect this young man, I thank him and I will support him.

[ixion]

2. I really hope he's able to get CO status

always good to have people come back from the dark side and realize that violence only promotes the entity it seeks to reject.

[grannylib]

3. Geez. doesn't he know that the honorable thing would be to just not

show up, continue to get paid, lie about his continued service, and present himself as a hero after it's all over?
That's what the Commander in Thief did, so it should be OK, right??

[Just Me]

4. How are "conscientious objectors" treated?

I believe he is doing the right thing. Of course, I would be shocked if he doesn't suffer retaliatory consequences, especially with this inflamatory administration in charge.

What if half the forces decided to do this? Just a thought.

[LagaLover]

9. Well

He might have stood a chance of getting CO status...I know one guy who did about a year ago; the Air Force let him out to become a priest...but this guy (the one in the article) deserted (I think he was gone for more than 30 days) first, so he will probably be punished for that.

[Barkley]

6. Know Justice, Know Peace!

Great testimony!

I'm adding it to my leaflets and poster ads for Saturday's Demo in L.A. 12:00 at Hollywood and Vine.

[MaggieSwanson]

7. Fantastic idea!

I'll add it to our flyers for the Des Moines protest Saturday.
:toast:

[jayfish]

8. He Should Do An Interview,...

preferably on video tape, before he turns himself in. He sure as hell isn't going to get his message out from, beautiful, Cuba.

Jay

[Ravy]

10. Maybe he should just ask for time off to help the Kerry campaign...

... didn't I read somewhere that they granted time away from national military obligations to work in political campaigns?

Maybe that was just a "special" case.

[demdave]

11. Kick

[Lisa]

12. there's one brave soldier ...

One veteran I know told me he wished he'd had the courage to do something similar, decades ago. Coming from an ex-Marine, that's an indication of how gutsy Staff Sgt. Mejia is. I wish him luck!

[Columbia]

13. Brave?

Running away and hiding doesn't seem brave or gutsy to me. If he truly had strength of conviction, he could have refused to redeploy, attempt to claim CO status, and faced the consequences of his actions. He likely would have been granted CO status and discharged. Now, he's going to face desertion charges and likely lengthy brig time making big rocks into little rocks.

[Lisa]

14. at this stage, I admire anyone who is willing to face the music

There are so many people (the upper echelons of the GOP, for example) who took the easy way out. And I know one guy who got cold feet the week before he was supposed to ship out to Vietnam as a Navy medic, and turned himself in on a trumped-up drug possession charge because he didn't feel he was morally strong enough to declare himself a CO. Not everyone feels able to do that.

Seeing as he's already served, the Staff Sgt. could have claimed post-traumatic stress effects, not brought his opposition to the war into it, and avoided criticism.

If he spends several months busting rocks and getting spat upon, and comes out with his dignity intact -- he's at least made a decision, and accepted the consequences. He could have run, and kept on running.

[IndianaGreen]

15. Would you have served for 3 years as Mejia did?

Would you have kept your wits as part of an occupation army long after it became clear that your own government had lied to you and everyone else as to the reasons for the war?

Mejia is a hero!

[ModerateDem]

17. No, he's not a hero.

I suggest you look up the word.

What act of heroism did he perform? Did he save someone's life while putting his own life in danger like John Kerry did? No, he didn't.

I think that you do a disservice to all of the soldiers who have lost their lives in this terrible conflict, and all of those who have been wounded, by calling Mejia a hero.

[IndianaGreen]

18. As a veteran I think that the greatest act of courage is one like Mejia's

The real unsung heroes were the ones that threw their weapons on the ground and refused to board the helicopters that were to take them to an illegal incursion into Cambodia. They were all court martialed.

The Commander-in-Chief that ordered them into Cambodia was the real criminal.

[ModerateDem]

19. I am a veteran, also,

but we should not involve ourselves in the diminishing of John Kerry's service by calling Mejia a hero. You are a woman, and as you know, women are largely not in combat roles in Iraq, and very, very few women have been killed in Iraq. Most of the victims have been men. It is much more dangerous to be a man in the military.

I do not think it is particularly brave to break your enlistment contract like Mejia did. If he was a conscientous objector, then he should not have enlisted. It's as simple as that. I think he just made up the story to get out of going back to Iraq.

[IndianaGreen]

20. Mejia already served 3 years on active duty

and was now in his fifth year in the National Guard. I believe that it is the Pentagon that has extended NG active duty beyond what they were originally supposed to serve.

I am not familiar with the NG rules.

[ModerateDem]

21. It's called a stop-loss order,

and the Pentagon is within the rules to do it. I'm not saying it's fair, but there is nothing illegal about it.

What else you got?

[ModerateDem]

22. By the way,

I don't like you insinuating that my work in Vietnam was basically meaningless. I would have to strongly disagree with that assertion, IndianaGreen. You can disagree with the war, but don't say that it is more honorable to be a CO or dodge the draft than it is to serve.

If they had just let us finish the damned war then we could have won it. I'm still bitter about it to this day!

[Jesus H. Christ]

24. Oh, I'll say it was basically meaningless.

The whole war was completely meaningless.

"You can disagree with the war, but don't say that it is more honorable to be a CO or dodge the draft than it is to serve."

It's a lot more honorable to be a CO and dodge the draft then to have killed some guy for no good reason because you were "just following orders."

"If they had just let us finish the damned war then we could have won it. I'm still bitter about it to this day!"

Pity you didn't learn anything.

[ModerateDem]

25. I guess you've never served,

so it's ridiculous for YOU to accuse ME of killing civilians intentionally.

Here's a quote you should read.

It's from Rambo's First Blood, but it applies to the real-life situation, too:

"And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of crap! Who are they to protest me?! Who are they?! Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!"

You got it?

WHO ARE YOU TO TALK ABOUT VIETNAM AT ALL? You weren't there. When you call the war meaningless you are insulting all of the 58,000+ Americans who died in Vietnam. You weren't there, so you have no right to question my conduct or any other soldier's conduct in Vietnam. And that applies to other wars, too. People just sound stupid accusing our boys of committing atrocities in Iraq. They aren't there. They're living their cush, comfortable civilian lives. They can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

I WAS DRAFTED, and I WENT. I did my job there for 2 years. You have no right to criticize me.

No wonder people say Democrats hate the military. It's a good thing that you aren't representative of the average Democrat.

[Jesus H. Christ]

26. "You have no right to criticize me."

Sure I do. It's called the first amendment. And if I may quote our freeper friends, if you don't love America, you can get the hell out.

(btw, I think that's the first time I ever heard a Vietnam vet quote Rambo. I won't lie and say I'm not a little suspicious.)

Oh, and you sound like a Yoosta Bee.

[ModerateDem]

34. Grow up, kid.

Enjoy your sheltered life.

Don't think I'm a Vietnam vet? Want me to fax you my DD214, showing service from January 1968 to January 1969, and my awards and decorations, so you can make an even bigger ass out of yourself?

[Jesus H. Christ]

38. Me grow up?

Hey, I'm not the one quoting Rambo.

[ModerateDem]

39. It happens to be my favorite movie.

And Sylvester Stallone happens to be my favorite actor.

[Chelzek]

45. Interesting

earlier you give the impression Kerry is a war hero. I assume you know he was opposed to Vietnam on an equal or greater degree as the people you are speaking with on this board now? I find it odd how you can respect Kerry, yet are upset with people here for holding the same view he did...

[Columbia]

27. That's kinda how I feel about Iraq

I've been called everything from barbarian to baby-killer on this board too.

There is a lot of anti-military sentiment here. Try not to take it personally, as it does not accurately reflect the real world.

[Chelzek]

43. "Pity you didn't learn anything."

Assuming he even IS a vet...

[Name removed]

28. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Columbia]

29. Deletion in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

:eyes:

[bobbyboucher]

30. Figures.

.

[Columbia]

31. You're the one making racist comments

You actually expect it to stay?

I'm not real into alerting, but I'm sure a mod will be by shortly.

[bobbyboucher]

32. Of course you do.

Because you cannot handle slang. You are instead hung up on racism and screaming about it.

[Columbia]

33. Good one

Rationalizing one of the most hateful and hurtful terms of the 20th century as slang.

Sorry, bobbyboucher, not gonna work.

[ModerateDem]

36. Don't pay any attention to bobbyboucher.

He's dyslexic, and a bad football player at that.

[bobbyboucher]

41. Hahahahaha, good one!

Thanks for the superficial recognition. Have a clue about the "Waterboy"?

[ModerateDem]

42. Get a girlfriend

And move out of your mama's house, bobbyboucher.

[bobbyboucher]

48. How very typically

Republican. You don't know shit about shit. What color is shit in your world?

[ModerateDem]

56. Purple

Definitely purple.

[bobbyboucher]

82. It's brown.

Maybe you should check your shit.

[bobbyboucher]

37. Nice shelter.

You are the one attempting to make it racist, ala all the other fucks that try to use race as a wedge.

FYI, it was bait. Get back on the subject.

[ModerateDem]

44. Nice avatar

It says a lot about you.

[bobbyboucher]

50. Nice. Anything resembling a worthy comeback

forthcoming?

[Jesus H. Christ]

54. Ironic, isn't it?

Somebody that immature calling somebody else a baby.

Off topic, as for you're original eyebrow raising post. I sure hope you're black, because even given the slang, that's not a word a white person should be throwing around. Furthermore, given the anonymity of a message board, it's not terribly appropriate. At least in this wigger's opinion.

[ModerateDem]

55. Wigger isn't a very nice word either, Mr. brilliant.

Wigger is a derogatory term used for white people who "act black". It's obviously not a term of endearment.

[Jesus H. Christ]

62. dupe

nt

[Jesus H. Christ]

64. I wear it like a badge.

I'm quite proud that racists have a problem with it. So I reserve the right to use it.

[ModerateDem]

65. Congratulations

You must be REAL proud.

[Jesus H. Christ]

68. Why wouldn't I be?

You sound sarcastic? Something wrong with "acting black" in your opinion?

[bobbyboucher]

69. Are you proud?

Just curious.

[Jesus H. Christ]

70. Proud of who I am?

Yes. Again, why shouldn't I be?

[anarchy1999]

72. Kick yourself straight to the top. Please get this message out.

You, and all the rest of you arguing here.

Quit wasting your time with bs.

Go out and help others.

Go read what some real Vets have to say.

Can we please get this message out: I can't find anything more powerful!

Edited on Tue Mar-16-04 01:01 AM by anarchy1999
http://www.calltoconscience.net /

Statement to the Troops
We are veterans of the United States armed forces. We stand with the majority of humanity, including millions in our own country, in opposition to the United States' all out war on Iraq. We span many wars and eras, have many political views and we all agree that this war is wrong. Many of us believed serving in the military was our duty, and our job was to defend this country. Our experiences in the military caused us to question much of what we were taught. Now we see our REAL duty is to encourage you as members of the U.S. armed forces to find out what you are being sent to fight and die for and what the consequences of your actions will be for humanity. We call upon you, the active duty and reservists, to follow your conscience and do the right thing.
In the last Gulf War, as troops, we were ordered to murder from a safe distance. We destroyed much of Iraq from the air, killing hundreds of thousands, including civilians. We remember the road to Basra -- the Highway of Death -- where we were ordered to kill fleeing Iraqis. We bulldozed trenches, burying people alive. The use of depleted uranium weapons left the battlefields radioactive. Massive use of pesticides, experimental drugs, burning chemical weapons depots and oil fires combined to create a toxic cocktail affecting both the Iraqi people and Gulf War veterans today. One in four Gulf War veterans is disabled.

During the Vietnam War we were ordered to destroy Vietnam from the air and on the ground. At My Lai we massacred over 500 women, children and old men. This was not an aberration, it's how we fought the war. We used Agent Orange on the enemy and then experienced first hand its effects. We know what Post Traumatic Stress Disorder looks, feels and tastes like because the ghosts of over two million men, women and children still haunt our dreams. More of us took our own lives after returning home than died in battle.

If you choose to participate in the invasion of Iraq you will be part of an occupying army. Do you know what it is like to look into the eyes of a people that hate you to your core? You should think about what your "mission" really is. You are being sent to invade and occupy a people who, like you and me, are only trying to live their lives and raise their kids. They pose no threat to the United States even though they have a brutal dictator as their leader. Who is the U.S. to tell the Iraqi people how to run their country when many in the U.S. don't even believe their own President was legally elected?

Saddam is being vilified for gassing his own people and trying to develop weapons of mass destruction. However, when Saddam committed his worst crimes the U.S. was supporting him. This support included providing the means to produce chemical and biological weapons. Contrast this with the horrendous results of the U.S. led economic sanctions. More than a million Iraqis, mainly children and infants, have died because of these sanctions. After having destroyed the entire infrastructure of their country including hospitals, electricity generators, and water treatment plants, the U.S. then, with the sanctions, stopped the import of goods, medicines, parts, and chemicals necessary to restore even the most basic necessities of life.

There is no honor in murder. This war is murder by another name. When, in an unjust war, an errant bomb dropped kills a mother and her child it is not "collateral damage," it is murder. When, in an unjust war, a child dies of dysentery because a bomb damaged a sewage treatment plant, it is not "destroying enemy infrastructure," it is murder. When, in an unjust war, a father dies of a heart attack because a bomb disrupted the phone lines so he could not call an ambulance, it is not "neutralizing command and control facilities," it is murder. When, in an unjust war, a thousand poor farmer conscripts die in a trench defending a town they have lived in their whole lives, it is not victory, it is murder.

There will be veterans leading protests against this war on Iraq and your participation in it. During the Vietnam War thousands in Vietnam and in the U.S. refused to follow orders. Many resisted and rebelled. Many became conscientious objectors and others went to prison rather than bear arms against the so-called enemy. During the last Gulf War many GIs resisted in various ways and for many different reasons. Many of us came out of these wars and joined with the anti-war movement.

If the people of the world are ever to be free, there must come a time when being a citizen of the world takes precedence over being the soldier of a nation. Now is that time. When orders come to ship out, your response will profoundly impact the lives of millions of people in the Middle East and here at home. Your response will help set the course of our future. You will have choices all along the way. Your commanders want you to obey. We urge you to think. We urge you to make your choices based on your conscience. If you choose to resist, we will support you and stand with you because we have come to understand that our REAL duty is to the people of the world and to our common future.

Veteran Signers
Signers as of March 08, 2004
Name, Branch, Years

http://www.calltoconscience.net/

[Jesus H. Christ]

74. but I'm having fun.

just a little longer?

[ModerateDem]

78. I AM A REAL VET

nt

[bobbyboucher]

79. Really?

So do you want a medal?

[ModerateDem]

81. Already got 3

But thanks!

[bobbyboucher]

84. Wear them proudly!

Just don't think that it gives you thye right to tell the rest of us that we don't know the color of shit.

[Jesus H. Christ]

87. Here's a combat photo.

<>

He saved a POW from a prison camp, endured the dreaded Vietnamese Pig Shit torture, and then blew up the camp with his helicopter.

[anarchy1999]

83. Great, you are a real VET -

Have you read what I've posted. Do you think this young man has a postion to stand upon?

Last 2 paragraphs to make it easy for you:There will be veterans leading protests against this war on Iraq and your participation in it. During the Vietnam War thousands in Vietnam and in the U.S. refused to follow orders. Many resisted and rebelled. Many became conscientious objectors and others went to prison rather than bear arms against the so-called enemy. During the last Gulf War many GIs resisted in various ways and for many different reasons. Many of us came out of these wars and joined with the anti-war movement.

If the people of the world are ever to be free, there must come a time when being a citizen of the world takes precedence over being the soldier of a nation. Now is that time. When orders come to ship out, your response will profoundly impact the lives of millions of people in the Middle East and here at home. Your response will help set the course of our future. You will have choices all along the way. Your commanders want you to obey. We urge you to think. We urge you to make your choices based on your conscience. If you choose to resist, we will support you and stand with you because we have come to understand that our REAL duty is to the people of the world and to our common future.

http://www.calltoconscience.net/

Hope you find your way soon.

[ModerateDem]

89. I followed the LAW.

The law said that I would go to Vietnam upon being drafted, so I was drafted and I went! I was shot once, received one purple heart, and a silver star for bravery and meritorious conduct. I did my duty. My DUTY!

I will not apologize for it. I am sorry for the civilian deaths.

[Jesus H. Christ]

90. Just following orders?

Now where have I heard that before?

[ModerateDem]

93. You're calling Vietnam vets Nazis?

That's pretty ridiculous. Then again it's from a kid, so what do you expect.

[anarchy1999]

95. Are you being served and taken care of well now?

No one is asking you to apologize, and we are all sorry for all the death, on both sides.

Let up.

Do not wish what you went through on anyone else, ever. You should be on the front line opposing war, anywhere. Ever hear of this man or what he had to say? Please dear ModerateDem, lighten up and also please read up.

WAR IS A RACKET

Smedley Darlington Butler

Major General - United States Marine Corps

Born West Chester, Pa., July 30, 1881

Educated Haverford School

Married Ethel C. Peters, of Philadelphia, June 30, 1905

Awarded two congressional medals of honor, for capture of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1914,

and for capture of Ft. Riviere, Haiti, 1917

Distinguished service medal, 1919

Retired Oct. 1, 1931

On leave of absence to act as director of Department of Safety, Philadelphia, 1932

Lecturer - 1930's

Republican Candidate for Senate, 1932

Died at Naval Hospital, Philadelphia, June 21, 1940

For more information about Major General Smedley Butler, contact the United States Marine Corps.

Chapter One

WAR IS A RACKET

http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

WAR IS A RACKET

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.

For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.


from the last chapter:
The chief aim of any power at any of these conferences has not been to achieve disarmament to prevent war but rather to get more armament for itself and less for any potential foe.

There is only one way to disarm with any semblance of practicability. That is for all nations to get together and scrap every ship, every gun, every rifle, every tank, every war plane. Even this, if it were possible, would not be enough.

The next war, according to experts, will be fought not with battleships, not by artillery, not with rifles and not with machine guns. It will be fought with deadly chemicals and gases.

Secretly each nation is studying and perfecting newer and ghastlier means of annihilating its foes wholesale. Yes, ships will continue to be built, for the shipbuilders must make their profits. And guns still will be manufactured and powder and rifles will be made, for the munitions makers must make their huge profits. And the soldiers, of course, must wear uniforms, for the manufacturer must make their war profits too.

But victory or defeat will be determined by the skill and ingenuity of our scientists.

If we put them to work making poison gas and more and more fiendish mechanical and explosive instruments of destruction, they will have no time for the constructive job of building greater prosperity for all peoples. By putting them to this useful job, we can all make more money out of peace than we can out of war – even the munitions makers.

So...I say,

TO HELL WITH WAR!

Have you read 'THE WAR PRAYER' ?

Want more?

From a speech he gave in 1933, and he is a VET!

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm

[Chelzek]

46. Are you for real?

Listen to some rap. It's probably one of the most frequent words you'll hear. It is most certainly slang that is not meant to be harmful among some people.

[ModerateDem]

47. Rap is CRap

nt

[Jesus H. Christ]

49. Sez the Stallone fan.

nt

[ModerateDem]

53. Sez the communist

nt

[Jesus H. Christ]

59. LOL, at least I don't pretend I'm something I'm not.

You know what the funniest thing about freepers is?

They complain on and on about Clinton. Oh! He lied! Oh! It's not about the sex! It's about the lying! How can somebody lie like that?!

And then they come to this message board, and agree not to be a disruptor. And they lie about it. What a bunch of hypocrits.

[ModerateDem]

60. When did I mention Clinton?

It's funny how you label anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% as a freeper. No wonder Nader only got 2.74%. That's really nuts.

[Jesus H. Christ]

66. Guilty conscience?

You'll notice I never called you anything. Except for "Stallone fan" and I apologize for that. It was really uncalled for.

[bobbyboucher]

71. That was insulting, I must admit.

However deserving.

[ModerateDem]

23. kick

kick

[wickerwoman]

35. Where are you going with that first paragraph?

I'm not really getting the point. Who was it who decided that women shouldn't serve in combat positions? It wasn't women. Bush was the one who decided to ban women from many combat positions they had already trained for. Lift the ban tomorrow and any number of women would be lining up to serve their country in the dangerous positions.

Writing off IG's point because she's a woman is irrelevant bullshit and shows that you know as little about women as you do about moral courage.

[ModerateDem]

40. Maybe so

Doesn't change the fact that being a woman in Iraq or in any other war is much less courageous. I'm not saying that woman have any control over the combat ban, but it's just a fact, okay?

[wickerwoman]

51. Thanks for the clarification.

The teeny, tiny bit of credibility your claim of service gave you on the subject of courage just went flying out the window.

[ModerateDem]

57. Like I care

what someone in Red China thinks.

[wickerwoman]

61. Is that you George?

[ModerateDem]

63. No, my name is Kevin.

And I spent a year trying to rid Vietnam of people like you.

[bobbyboucher]

73. Where is "Red China"?

Can you point it out on the map?

[ModerateDem]

75. Here:

Not on a map, but maybe it can give you some ideas.

[bobbyboucher]

85. FYI,

There is no country called "Red China". Fuckin' DUH!

[Jesus H. Christ]

76. Is it one of those multicolored maps?

then he may just have a chance.

[Columbia]

67. It's not about capability

It's about ensuring viability of the mission. I have no doubt that women are quite capable of engaging in combat, however, it is my opinion through experience, that women create a distraction that is damaging to unit integrity and mission accomplishment and could cost lives. Combat is not the time to be PC.

[bobbyboucher]

77. PC?

The only people that complain about "PC" are the people that are "PC".

[Columbia]

80. I'm all for being PC

But it does not belong in combat where it can cost lives.

[bobbyboucher]

88. Who's lives?

Women aren't allowed to die for ridiculous reasons?

[Columbia]

92. Both genders

Not that you would know anything about combat.

[bobbyboucher]

96. And you would?

I am not afraid of you. Don't ever think that someone like me couldn't stand up to you, anywhere.

If you served our country then I owe you a debt of gratitude. But that doesn't mean that I therefore have to agree with what you say. You were in combat because of what? I am not one of you, if it is true that you are one of the few, but that doesn't mean you have some kind of insight into right and wrong that the rest of us do not have. What you have is what you have. Positive or negative.

I admire that you did what you were told.

[Columbia]

97. Yes, I would

I would also have more of an insight on the impact that women have on combat effectiveness that people who have not served would not have. Rhetoric may sound good on paper, but it fails in comparison to reality.

I have seen the effect with my two eyes. Having coed units during wartime turns the military service into more of a high school dramafest compromising combat effectiveness.

As for being afraid and standing up to me, why would you even feel that way? Do I intimidate you in some way?

[Jesus H. Christ]

91. Oh, I'm all for being PC...

just as long as these uppity bitches stay in their place!

:eyes:

[Columbia]

94. I think you are projecting

I said no such thing.

[Aidoneus]

52. he was part of that occupation army..

as it works out..

hi IG, been a while since I've seen you around here. :hi:

[Earth_First]

16. As a conscientious objector myself...

I applaud every action from every soldier who decides to lay down their arms in nonviolence. The truest test of courage and bravery is to stand up to your commanding officer and denounce that the violence associated with this war is both morally and legally wrong.

Godspeed soldier!

[Name removed]

98. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Moderator]

99. locking

over 2/3 of this thread is now just personal attacks and petty fighting. Too much to clean up. Nice going.