70-year gag on Kelly death evidence

[kpete]

Source: London Evening Standard

70-year gag on Kelly death evidence

24.01.10



Evidence relating to the death of Government weapons inspector David Kelly is to be kept secret for 70 years, it has been reported.

A highly unusual ruling by Lord Hutton, who chaired the inquiry into Dr Kelly's death, means medical records including the post-mortem report will remain classified until after all those with a direct interest in the case are dead, the Mail on Sunday reported.

And a 30-year secrecy order has been placed on written records provided to Lord Hutton's inquiry which were not produced in evidence.

The Ministry of Justice said decisions on the evidence were a matter for Lord Hutton. But Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker, who has conducted his own investigations into Dr Kelly's death, described the order as "astonishing".




Read more: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23798597-70-year-gag-on-kelly-death-evidence.do

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David Kelly post mortem to be kept secret for 70 years as doctors accuse Lord Hutton of concealing vital information

By Miles Goslett
Last updated at 11:28 PM on 23rd January 2010



Vital evidence which could solve the mystery of the death of Government weapons inspector Dr David Kelly will be kept under wraps for up to 70 years.

In a draconian – and highly unusual – order, Lord Hutton, the peer who chaired the controversial inquiry into the Dr Kelly scandal, has secretly barred the release of all medical records, including the results of the post mortem, and unpublished evidence.

The move, which will stoke fresh speculation about the true circumstances of Dr Kelly’s death, comes just days before Tony Blair appears before the Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq War.

It is also bound to revive claims of an establishment cover-up and fresh questions about the verdict that Dr Kelly killed himself.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245599/David-Kelly-post-mortem-kept-secret-70-years-doctors-accuse-Lord-Hutton-concealing-vital-information.html

[cliffordu]

1. Curiouser and curiouser.

[LakeSamish706]

2. The conclusion is that we are obviously covering something sinister up! nt

[Juche]

27. Don't be a conspiracy theorist

The best thing to do in this situation is trust in the integrity of the authorities and ridicule anyone who things something suspicious is going on.

[Subdivisions]

83. Yup. That's how it works. n/t

[Raster]

94. Instead be a "Conspiracy Smearist!" In just a few easy lessons you'll learn how to:

Loudly ridicule anyone who may suspect something suspicious is going on;

Overstate your belief in "the official story";

Vigorously question the rabble-rouser's motives, no matter how noble; and

Actively discourage any other discussion participants from examining facts and forming their own opinions.

[StarryNite]

135. Don't forget...

encourage moderators to lock threads that question "the official story" on grounds that it contains no political content.

[NoSheep]

96. Please tell me you're just being sarcastic (I just woke up)

[ArcticFox]

92. Government is the enemy

There is no way to the truth of what has been happening for the past fifty years (beginning with Kennedy's assassination or earlier) other than revolution. The real truth will never come out otherwise.

[24601]

116. Who is the "we?"

[thunder rising]

3. Did he eat the Alan Turing apple?

[gatorboy]

4. How could it be anything BUT a cover-up.

The 70 year timeline guarantees anyone guilty of a crime will be long dead and safe from prosecution.

[The Backlash Cometh]

59. Must have been twenty year olds involved in the crime.

Besides, how do we know that they will release a legitimate copy of the report? 70 years is a long time.

[dysfunctional press]

138. maybe some of them are hoping for miracles from modern medicine.

:shrug:

[Umbral]

5. When this was done to the Warren Commission records, it pretty much squelched any talk of conspiracy

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Enthusiast]

14. Nothing to see here. nt

[JDPriestly]

107. How right you are. Nothing to see. No questions need be asked.

Here is the official story, kiddies. Think what you wish. We'll never tell you the truth -- not until it is too late for you to kick us out for our crimes.

[truedelphi]

121. I hate you young people who have the energy

To be kicking your legs around like that!

And doing it in the midst of a serious controversy.

What is the world coming too!

[defendandprotect]

6. Just like LBJ and Warren Commission . .. 75 years!! Wonder why?

[HowHasItComeToThis]

75. AND NOW CORPS VOTE

We are a capitalist society based
upon the profit motive which means
that profit comes first in a capitalist country.
The needs of the people come second
to the needs of big business --
now exacerbated by the miitarization of the country.
Howard Zinn

[UpInArms]

7. so, I guess they're thinking that in 70 years all of us that know they

killed Kelly will be dead as well.

I just will always wonder why Judith Miller (liar and warmonger extraordinaire) was one of his last email correspondents.

[SpiralHawk]

21. "Smirk" - Judith Miller (Bush-Republicon Correspondent, NYT)

[Botany]

39. links

Judith Miller was connected to Scooter Libby (Aspen Tree Thing)
and Scooter Libby worked for Dick Cheney.


:tinfoilhat:

Kelly told Miller that Iraq had no WMDs and or Biological/Chemical Weapons .....
Miller told Libby and then Libby told Cheney and then the "hit" was put into
motion so as to keep the Iraq war on schedule to start early spring 2003

[defendandprotect]

65. And, Miller was embedded with the troops ... getting the big story of the war!!!

[JDPriestly]

108. Where is Miller now? I wonder what she is up to?

Woops! Answered my own questions.

She is now appearing on Fox News -- protected, paid off and prosperous.

She now claims to be "very liberal on a lot of issues." Yeah. Sure.

No risk in covering up for Cheney, is there? You may have to survive some inconvenience for a little while, but you will be handsomely rewarded in the end.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/01/13/fncs-kennnedy-judy-miller-you-went-jail-protect-cheney

And that is why no one will risk exposing the lies and crimes in the UK either. The pay-offs for those who cover up and lie are really big. This judge knows that very well.

[Gregorian]

8. Aha! Who is protecting whom???

Well if this isn't revealing I don't know what it.

If it really had been a suicide, there would be no reason for a gag. Furthermore, it would be all over the media.

So the war was illegal. What else is new.

Start the war crimes tribunal now.

[Raster]

9. Kelly's death was not a suicide. It's highly probable that the files sealed by Lord Collaborator,

show beyond a shadow of doubt that Kelly's death was not a suicide--it was a murder, and a poorly executed one at that.

There are factions--persons, public relations agencies, political action committees--that are at present working overtime to try and mitigate the accurate historical record with one that is more "forgiving" of the 8 years of criminality known at the Bush*/Cheney* pResidential Administration.

[Enthusiast]

15. You share my exact take

on the entire issue. Blatant disregard for truth, justice and the American way. The influence of the Neo-Cons is far reaching.

[Raster]

51. Blatant disregard for truth, justice and the American way.

Boy, did you say a whole bunch of truth in a small statement. Even though this "action" took place in Great Britain, this does have the NeoConJob stench all over it. This "seal the pertinent evidence" shit gained prominence with the assassination of JFK. If you don't want people to find out the truth, then seal all the important and pertinent evidence under pain of governmental prosecution. No one can probe a damned thing if the evidence is all hidden away in security vaults, not to see the light of day for 70-fucking years. And you can always say it's to protect the families of those murdered. What a line of shit! Sealing evidence is all about protecting governments and keeping their illegal and nefarious actions from public discovery.

[Enthusiast]

133. We can come to one easy quick conclusion.

Whatever it is they're hiding, it is not good or legal.

[slay]

10. K&R

This is fucked up. I'll be dead in 70 years. Somebody send me a message in the afterlife letting me know what really happened. :sarcasm: WTF!?!?! Why is this not ALL OVER THE NEWS? Oh yeah - they don't give a shit about the truth - or us. :(

[Enthusiast]

16. NEWS?

What "News"?

[slay]

17. Exactly

Sadly we have no real news - not mainstream at least.. Bill Moyers and he's about to retire. Ed and Keith and Rachel - but even they limit the topics of discussion. The really sad thing is - people either don't care, or they don't want to hear about real news cause it's depressing. Well no shit - don't ya think we should change it so our reality is not so depressing? Hard to do that when people aren't informed. Argh. :banghead:

[Enthusiast]

19. And things promise to get worse

where the M$M is concerned considering the recent supreme Court decision.

[dotymed]

26. We also have

DemocracyNow and Grit TV, These are some great and honest shows on the publicly financed, Free Speech TV network. Many of us are not able to tune it in on our cable TV, you can go to their internet site and watch. Also Dish TV has it on channel 9415, way away from the mainstream, but it is there. I recently moved and miss tuning in and watching it. I do go to democracynow.org and watch whenever I can.

[slay]

88. I used to LOVE Free Speech TV back when I had DishNetwork

Thanks for the heads up bout their online channel/site. Checking it out now - http://www.freespeech.org/ :toast:

[glitch]

95. Don't forget linktv 9410 on dish. nt

[RedSock]

42. chomsky

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum
of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even
encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that
there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system
are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate."

[defendandprotect]

70. Too many other distractions . . . job loss. . . health. . .money problems . . .and the . ..

the wonderful world of TV . . .

Sports, for instance -- how much time and attention does that take?

Celebrity awards to celebrities !!!

TV violence at every turn!!

And, hey, here comes IRS day -- !!!

Survival beats vigilance . . . ???

[Juche]

28. Are you on team Coco or team Leno

I haven't been paying attention because I heard Tiger's 14th mistress just came forward.

[slay]

89. lol

yeah we are SURROUNDED by distractions. although for the record, i'm on team Coco - luckily i'm of high enough IQ that i can chew gum and pay attention to politics at the same time. heh.

[Divine Discontent]

11. So, how can someone over there ignore that and get the facts out, because that's BS!

doing the 70 year crap just says that some really shady things went down... or would the shadow govt not like that to be known?

[Greyskye]

12. Nothing to see here. Move along...

:sarcasm:

[Quantess]

13. In 70 years, everyone with a "vital interest" will be dead.

How convenient.

[western mass]

18. We should be thankful: Now we know the truth

Now we know it wasn't a suicide.

[go west young man]

22. So true... Lord Coverup has verified for us all officially what we all knew.

Dr.David Kelly was murdered becuase he had evidence that the cause for war was unjust. He died because he wanted to save Iraqi lives and get the truth out. It's another dark day for Britain. Considering histroy though, it's just one of many.

[Raster]

64. Kelly was murdered*. The British government is now OPENLY hiding evidence.

I would not be surprised to find that there is "distancing" taking place all over the world, in many governments, as accomplices and collaborators of cheney**/bush** work to tie up their "loose ends."

Make no mistake, no one: individual or nation, wants to bear the stain of war criminal. And make no further mistake: the cheney*/bush* administration COMMITTED WAR CRIMES. A bunch of them. Some so deranged and squalid it boggles the mind. Torture, for example. And "rendition." That's where you fly people you want to torture to squalid destinations with looser criminal standards than your own just so you can torture them even more brutally and not get your national hands dirty. You outsource torture.

[leveymg]

20. This is tatamount to a finding that he was murdered, without the details of who did it.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, draw your own conclusions.

[Raster]

66. Actually, it's tantamount to finding he was murdered, but deprived of the details of who did it.

Deliberately deprived of the details.

[Uncle Joe]

111. And the only logical reason to deprive people of the details as to who did it;

is because powerful people were behind it and most likely their exposure could/would shake international foundations.

[Octafish]

115. Who does one call when the State must be arrested?

The Kelly case shows the world that the global elites are built on bases of murder.

[Peace Patriot]

23. Who the F is "Lord Hutton" and how does HE get the sole power to do this?

And does Parliament have the power to overrule him? And if not, why not?

This whole thing was highly irregular from the beginning. Tony Blair--one of the likely perps/conspirators--appoints this "lord" who doesn't do an inquest; he does something of his own invention, excluding reams of testimony and evidence, including from eyewitnesses (the first responders) and various experts--which he, now, somehow has the power to deep-six for 70 years? He gets to bury the evidence he excluded?

I agree with PM MP Norman Baker. This is "astonishing."

And I agree with everybody in this thread: There couldn't be better evidence that David Kelly was murdered, by his own government or by leave of his own government, than this astonishing "order" by the "noble" crony of one of the suspects.

[go west young man]

25. From Wikipedia.

Lord Hutton was appointed by the Blair government to chair the inquiry on the circumstances surrounding the death of the British scientist Dr David Kelly at the heart of the September Dossier controversy. The inquiry commenced on August 11, 2003. Many observers were surprised when he delivered his report on January 28, 2004. Lord Hutton cleared the British Government in large part. His criticism of the BBC was regarded by some as unduly harsh; one critic commented that he had given the "benefit of judgement to virtually everyone in the government and no-one in the BBC."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Hutton,_Baron_Hutton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Inquiry

The notoriety of the Hutton Report received a boost when Cherie Blair was reported to have auctioned off a signed copy of the report for £400 for the benefit of the Labour Party in May 2006.

Throughout 2004 there were frequent questions from medical practitioners,<12> as well as ambulance crew on the scene, about the veracity of the verdict of suicide.<13> They said that it was extremely unusual to die as a result of cutting the ulnar artery - Kelly being the only supposed case of this occurring in 2003 - and that almost no blood was found at the scene.

[Peace Patriot]

40. Some further "astonishing" facts about David Kelly's death...

David Kelly (top British WMD expert; UN weapons inspector) died in the same week that Valerie Plame (top CIA WMD agent) was outed. Here's the sequence:

Spring 2003: Judith Miller 'hunting' for WMDs in Iraq, harassing US commanders and expecting a 'big scoop'; Miller clandestine meetings with "Scooter" Libby.

Late May 2003: David Kelly whistleblows to the BBC about the 'sexing up' of the pre-war intel.

June 2003: Somebody turns Kelly into his bosses; he is interrogated at a 'safe house' and threatened with the Official Secrets Act. The Blairites out him to the press (circa early July).

July 6, 2003: Joe Wilson op-ed in the NYT challenging the Niger-Iraq nuke forgeries.

July 7, 2003: Tony Blair is informed (as a result of the 'safe house' interrogation) that David Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things" (if they made him testify to a Parliamentary defense committee). Note: "could say," not "had said." (Hutton report.)

Week of July 7-14: David Kelly is forced to testify, under visible duress; he is then sent home without protection and apparently without surveillance.

July 14, 2003: Valerie Plame is outed (by Robert Novak).

July 18, 2003: David Kelly is found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances; his office and computers are searched.

July 22, 2003: Plame's entire Brewster-Jennings network of WMD counter-proliferation agents/contacts around the world is additionally outed (also by Novak, in his publication of the name of her front company).

July 24, 2003: Judith Miller writes David Kelly's obituary article in the NYT, and fails to disclose her close connection to David Kelly or his last email to her, on the day he died, in which he expresses concern about "the many dark actors playing games." (The email was later released by his family. All of his other emails of that day, July 17, are upbeat and forward-looking.)

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Valerie Plame outed. Four days later, David Kelly murdered.

There is about a 1% chance, in my view, that he was driven to suicide, perhaps by threats to his family, but, having read all there is to read about this event, I am 99% sure that he was murdered. And the clincher, to me, is: Where was his surveillance as he bled to death all night, from a minor wound to his wrist, in an outdoor rural area near his home where he took his daily walk? Kelly was obviously considered a threat to the Blair government. They had been hunting for him within government for a month. They were obviously concerned about what he knew and what he "could say" (hadn't said already). There was a raging controversy about him. He had just been sent home without protection. And they weren't watching him? That is not believable. So if, in the 1% chance, that he did commit suicide, what were his watchers doing while he supposedly bled to death all night, outdoors? If they didn't want to reveal themselves, one anonymous phone call to 9/11 would have saved his life.

The reason his watchers did nothing may be that he didn't die at the spot where he was found. He was picked up sometime after he left his house, killed and then dropped back there, along the route of his daily walk. That is what the evidence that Hutton excluded from the inquiry indicates. Maybe his watchers did the deed. Maybe they vamoosed while somebody else did it. Maybe they didn't notice that he had been picked up along his walk. Maybe they did, and couldn't stop it (if they wanted to). It is impossible to know at this point. But it is simply not believable that David Kelly was not under surveillance that day.

The interweaving sequence of events in the US, regarding Plame, and in the UK, regarding Kelly, could, of course, be a coincidence. But it strains credulity that there isn't a connection: One top WMD expert outed and disabled, here, and another permanently disabled, in the UK, the same week? The connection could simply be paranoia in both governments about exposure of their lie about WMDs in Iraq. Perhaps Plame was not murdered--and was 'merely' outed--because she is CIA, and I don't imagine that the CIA abides others killing their agents without severe retaliation. In any case, her counter-proliferation network was destroyed (and some of those people--people watching the movement of WMDs in other countries--may very well have been killed). Another reason that Plame was merely outed, while Kelly was murdered, may have been that Plame, as CIA, is bound to secrecy, and Kelly was not, and was already a whistleblower.

Was it just paranoia--fear of exposure--gripping both governments?

This was a period when it was just beginning to be clear that the "hunt" for the non-existent WMDs in Iraq wasn't going to turn up anything--that the whole premise for the war was a lie. However, the "hunt" did continue for some months, with breathless reports of this "white substance" and that suspicious barn, from our corpo-fascist media, copying and pasting stories from the Pentagon. They kept up the hype. They kept up the expectation that WMDs would be found. Why did they do this, if they knew that no WMDs would be found? It was not until fall 2003 that they switched from "hunting" for the non-existent WMDs to "hunting" for "WMD related program activities." (I remember laughing at that at the time.) Why did they keep it up all summer, emphasizing their lie over and over again, making the failure to find any WMDs all the more emphasized?

I think more was at stake than bad press. (And how 'bad' was our warmongering press, anyway? The 'news' corps was putty in Cheney's and Rumsfeld's hands. The NYT touted their bullshit every day leading up to the invasion. Wilson's op-ed would have floated down the corpo-fascist media "river of forgetfulness" if they had left it alone. And they could have punished Wilson for his dissent in many other quiet ways, instead of their spectacular, not to mention dangerous, act of treason, by outing the CIA's top WMD agent.)

My thesis is that they had a plan in motion to plant WMDs in Iraq--very probably with a connection to Iran, to justify expanding the war, then and there, into Iran--that their plan was foiled, probably more than once (somebody stopped the movement of the WMDs somewhere along the line, in March just after the invasion, and possibly again in the summer), and that they suspected Plame, her network and Kelly. They weren't paranoid; they were furious. Their "grand scheme" for justifying the war, and probably for expanding the war to Iran, had been stopped.

Kelly had supported the war and didn't start whistleblowing until well after the invasion. Why did he act to undermine the justification for a war that he had supported, at that late date? Possibly his conscience just caught up with him. But when you look at the time-line--his death coming four days after Plame was outed--and also the Blairites' obvious worry about what he knew and hadn't yet said--it looks more like there was a precipitating event, that prompted Kelly to whistleblow. A plan of such deception--planting the weapons--would likely have offended him. He was a very good scientist and a very good weapons inspector, and was proud of his work. He had said that he supported the war because he thought Saddam Hussein should be toppled. But, in keeping silent about the 'sexed up' intel before the war, maybe he hadn't bargained for the massive slaughter of 100,000 innocents in the bombing of Baghdad, the torture of prisoners (he had friends in Iraq) and the massive deception of a phony WMD find, especially if it was aimed at Iran and a Mideast-wide war?

And it turns out that Valerie Plame's particular field of endeavor, as to WMD counter-proliferation, was Iran.

Iran continued to obsess Cheney and Rumsfeld for three more years, until Rumsfeld was ousted in 2006 (likely in a putsch by the US military brass, who balked at nuking Iran--and with possibly wider implications and involvement by major players like Daddy Bush and Leon Panetta, in view of the catastrophic potential of China and/or Russia coming into it, on Iran's side). But if you backtrack their obsession with Iran to 2003, it seems an obvious and rather easy expansion to the wider war that they wanted, by, for instance, planting evidence that Saddam's WMDs had been taken to Iran. I think this is a more plausible motivator for the outing of Plame and Brewster-Jennings and the murder of Kelly, than mere bad press. What was the danger to them anyway, of bad press? That the people of the US and the UK would rise up with pitchforks and cast them out? Right. No, I think the problem most likely was something very specific, that caused all this mayhem in the week of July 14-22, and the best candidate for that is a deceptive WMD plan to expand the war into Iran.

There IS still the possibility that it was paranoia. I'm thinking of Edgar Allen Poe's "The Telltale Heart." If you carry a weight of guilt, fears can build up to overwhelming proportions. However, the main perps of the war, and the likely perps of the Plame outings (and probable collateral deaths) and of Kelly's murder, have shown not one iota of remorse. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Blair--afraid of bad publicity?

[nashville_brook]

54. wow -- this is one massive, important post.

[MadLinguist]

81. yeah, it is that. there are arrows pointing to the decisions surrounding journalists' sources

too. I mean, the whole circus surrounding Judith Miller's going to prison to protect her sources always struck me as curiously off, considering her allegiances. I know this whole case is not going to die in the way that the hushers would like it to, but it is galling to have the corpse shoved back into the ground in this way.

[Peace Patriot]

97. I'm very glad that Norman Brown and others are pursuing this in England.

I wish that someone with the time, funds and resources, would pick up the thread here, and investigate the possible connections.

I've posted versions of this theory many times at DU, and some versions of it in my DU journal. So there have been lots of chances for an investigator with resources to see it.

[The abyss]

120. You just keep on saying it!

As always – best analysis!

[MadLinguist]

77. I believe the "plant and point to Iran" thoery of motivation too

For a less compelling reason than your reason for believing that the British government aided or perpetrated in the murder of Kelly. that is, I agree with your analysis of what happened, who did it and why. Whereas your very astute observation about the role of the British in the surveillance of Kelly is based on expectations that one could have independent of political theory-building, mine is sheer political hypothesizing... My reason for endorsing the motivation is that I had always expected there to be some grand theater of the smoking WMD in Baghdad or Tikrit or wherever. I mean these are the directors of the trumped up Pat Tilman story, and the faked circus surrounding the pulling down of Saddam Hussein's statue, and the faked stuffed dog made to look like democracy back home in the US in 2000 and 2004, so where the hell, I was always asking myself, is the theater of the found WMDs? I could never believe that these colossal egos would quietly submit to just the truth about the evidence in an arena that they had such enormous stakes within. I always knew that something had stopped them. this piece of that story is the closest thing to answering that expectation I have come across.

[Nothing Without Hope]

112. Would like to see this post as the start of a new thread. Needs to be read.

K & R

[Uncle Joe]

114. Excellent analysis, Peace Patriot.

:thumbsup:

[Moosepoop]

50. I have the same questions.

Does Hutton really have the final say? I don't know anything about the legal system there, but the two articles linked in OP quote language that make me wonder.

The info in the linked articles originates from a letter written by Nick Grasham, the Oxfordshire County Council's "assistant head of legal and democratic services." The letter was written to a group of doctors who were challenging Hutton's finding of Kelly's death being a suicide.

In the letter from Grasham to the doctors, Grasham wrote:

"Lord Hutton made a request for the records provided to the inquiry, not produced in evidence, to be closed for 30 years, and that medical (including post-mortem) reports and photographs be closed for 70 years."

It was a "request," not an actual ruling? Who was the "request" made to?? Who approved it, and who, if anyone, has the power to challenge or overturn it?

Nicholas Gardener, Oxfordshire's Chief Coroner, was quoted in the Daily Mail as having said on Sunday:

"I know that Lord Hutton made that recommendation. Someone told me at the time. Anybody concerned will be dead by then, and that is quite clearly Lord Hutton’s intention."

Again, it was only a "recommendation," not an actual ruling?? Who was the "recommendation" made to? Who approved it, and who, if anyone, has the power to challenge or overturn it?

And if someone does have to power to overturn it, will they??

[Raster]

68. Lord Hutton speaks with full weight and authority of Her Majesty's Government.

Look him up. He's kind of the Tory version of a political heavy charged with "fixing things."

[Moosepoop]

109. I looked him up.

I found his public statement, given on January 28, 2004.


His statement begins:

1. I have today delivered to Lord Falconer of Thoroton, the Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs, my report into the circumstances surrounding the death of Dr David Kelly CMG. The purpose of my statement today is to seek to state, in brief summary, the contents of my report, which contains 328 pages plus appendices, and to state the conclusions to which I have come.

OK, so he conducted an Inquiry into the circumstances surrounding Kelly's death, and compiled a report on it with the conclusions that he came to. This is what he was asked to do by the government.

He wrote a report, and delivered it to the "Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs," Lord Falconer of Thoroton.

In that report to Lord Falconer (or perhaps as a separate measure?) was the "request" or "suggestion" that the records in question be sealed for all those years.

The report was written FOR others, with Hutton's "conclusions" and also with a "request" or "suggestion" regarding the records.

My question remains: Can Lord Falconer and/or others in the government override the sealing of the records, and if so, will they?

[Botany]

24. So he didn't commit suicide w/ a pocket knife?

Add this to the list w/ Ray Lemme, Michael Connell, Anthrax suspect Bruce Ivans,
Sen. Paul Wellstone, and D.C. madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey where a death protected
bush and Cheney. (Tony Blair too)

I hope the good people of England raise holy hell about this cover up of what
very well might have been a murder in order to keep under wraps the lies
that were told to start the Iraq war.

I hope Lord Fuck Bucket wakes up to the families of all the dead soldiers
from the U.K. around his house with pitch forks and clubs.

[Juche]

29. And Pat Tillman

Can't forget Pat Tillman. Hero of the right wing who actually was a cynical leftist who wanted to meet Noam Chomsky and speak out against the war after his tour was over.

Accidentally shot 3 times in the forehead at close range.


You'd think the US and UK were fucking Iran or Myanmar with this shit.

We seriously need to prosecute the perpetrators of the Iraq war. The people behind this are much more evil than we know.

[underpants]

43. "Where Men Win Glory"

Jon Krakauer

I haven't really gotten into it but it is the complete story of Tillman's death.

From what I have read about the book it doesn't clear the Army of Tillman's death but I am not sure it addresses it. I need to get into that book.

It may change my opinion because I was certain that THEY had Tillman killed to keep him from ever getting back to the US, specifically before the 2004 election.

[Neecy]

48. it does get into it

And it gives the narrative of how Tillman actually was killed. The close range theory didn't happen. He wasn't murdered.

It's a great book - hope you enjoy it.

[Raster]

Tillman's death was a mix of poor planning, poor execution and tragic accident.

The resultant military "investigation" and its firestorms, however, were deliberate attempts to obfuscate the truth, and can be laid squarely at the feet of the cheney*/rumsfeld*/bush* Pentagon.

[The Backlash Cometh]

62. I wonder how far this hit list goes back.

Remember the Energy guy (Enron?) who was found dead in his car, an apparent suicide if you can forget about the trajectory of the bullet entry? I tell you, all these signs are going to lead to Dick Cheney. Anything that has to do with energy or the Iraq road, will eventually lead to Dick Cheney. And the sumbitch is going to get a new heart somewhere down the road and live another human lifetime.

[Raster]

71. search back through the DU archives. Several times over the last seven or so years,

posters have put together "suspicious death" lists. It really is quite amazing when you consider all the questionable deaths and suspicious suicides.

I maintain that Kelly's murder, which appears to be amateurish in (forgive me) execution, bears the hallmarks of "outsourced murder."

[The Backlash Cometh]

74. If it's amateurish,

then it may not have been outsourced at all. It may have occurred within the inner circle, where these people usually don't like to get their hands dirty. Think about it. This cover-up was botched from the beginning. That's not the kind of thing that happens to professionals.

Oh, and shall we revisit the fact that somebody hit George Bush with a pretzel? I think these inner circle people have tempers. Remember Rove's famous line, "I will fuck them up, fuck them up." Why shouldn't we suspect that one of them went too far?

[Raster]

79. By amateurish I mean a murder not handled by those persons usually hired to do the "wet work."

Such "contractors" don't tend to make mistakes. You are correct, this could have been handled by Blair's inner circle, in an attempt to avoid as many connections as possible.

[Turborama]

93. Frank Olson

These "suicide" murders have been going on for a very long time.

Frank Olson (July 17, 1910 – November 28, 1953) was a U.S. Army scientist who died under mysterious circumstances while undertaking secret research with the U.S. Army.

Olson's death was initially ruled a suicide, but this verdict has been disputed.

Frank Olson was a chemist with the Army's top secret Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland. His specific research in the Army is unknown, but he was involved in biological weapons research and experimented with mind control drugs.

In 1953, as Deputy Acting Head of Special Operations for the CIA, Olson associated with William Sargant, investigating the use of psychoactive drugs at Britain's Biological Warfare Centre at Porton Down.

MKULTRA and Olson's death

According to the government's version of events, as part of the MKULTRA mind control experiments, Olson was dosed with LSD without his knowledge, subsequently suffering severe paranoia and a nervous breakdown. The CIA sent him to New York to see one of their psychiatrists, who recommended that Olson be placed into a mental institution for recovery.

On his last night in Manhattan, Olson purposely threw himself out his tenth-floor hotel room window at the Hotel Pennsylvania, dying on impact.

Motives involving US national security

The explosive nature of the Olson intimations about CIA torture-to-death in Germany and bacteriologic warfare on North Korea were revealed in a German documentary and clearly laid out in phone interviews with Olson's sons (see external links).

Later disclosures

His family had no knowledge of the details of the accident until the Rockefeller Commission started uncovering some of the CIA's MKULTRA activities. In 1975, the government admitted that Olson had been dosed with LSD without his knowledge. The government offered his family an out of court settlement of $750,000, which they accepted.

In 1994, Eric Olson had his father's body exhumed. The forensic scientist in charge of the examination, George Washington University professor James E. Starrs, determined that Olson had suffered some form of blunt force trauma to the temple/forehead prior to falling out of the broken window, but contrarily had no visible laceration indicating that he fell through a broken window. The evidence was called "rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide." Based on his findings, in 1996 the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson's death, but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.

References and external links here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson

(Note on going over the 4 para limit. As it's from Wikipedia it can be reproduced in full under the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License">Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License )

Code Name: Artichoke (53:45)
More than 40 years after his death, the body of former CIA scientist Dr. Frank Olson has been exhumed. Olson's son Eric is convinced his father was murdered by agents of the American government because he wanted to leave the CIA. Dr. Frank Olson was an expert for anthrax and other biological weapons and had top security clearance. Forensic pathologists at George Washington University performed an autopsy and concluded that Olson probably was the victim of a violent crime. A film by Egmont R. Koch and Michael Wech: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3680213969478096327&ei=HY9cS7r3HoOQwgPNq9WQCg&q=+frank+olson+cia&hl=en#

[JDPriestly]

123. Don't forget that Cheney "accidentally" shot a hunting buddy.

It was certainly an accident, but it goes to show you that Cheney is one careless dude. He showed very little remorse after shooting his friend's face up.

Watch Marathon Man (Dustin Hoffman in the lead) filmed in 1976. Laurence Olivier plays Cheney. The character has a different name and a different nationality, but he sure looks like Cheney.

[The Backlash Cometh]

125. Pretzels and Duck hunting.

Two known dangers to Republicans.

[Art_from_Ark]

139. J. Clifford Baxter

Former Enron executive, as found in his car in Sugarland, Texas, shot in the back of the head with gravel on his skin. Ruled a suicide.

[The Backlash Cometh]

141. Thank you.

I knew someone would come up with it eventually.

[BetterThanNoSN]

30. hmmm...

70 years, yep, we'll all be dead. Let's be thankful they protect us from ourselves!

[DemoTex]

31. The fix is in.

Where is LHO when you need a patsy?

[90-percent]

32. Cover Up

Yes, if this went public the entire Bush White House would spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Let's show them some compassion and put them at a nice place that has great weather and a great view - Alcatraz!

-90% Jimmy

[Jamastiene]

33. I hear Gitmo is even warmer.

Let's send them there instead.

[JDPriestly]

124. Oh, No. We must move forward you know.

President Obama needs to read the Oedipus trilogy about 100 times or until he finally "gets it."

When the play opens, Thebes is suffering a plague which leaves its fields and women barren. Oedipus, the king of Thebes, has sent his brother-in-law, Creon, to the house of Apollo to ask the oracle how to end the plague. Creon returns, bearing good news: once the killer of the previous king, Laius, is found, Thebes will be cured of the plague (Laius was Jocasta's husband before she married Oedipus). Hearing this, Oedipus swears he will find the murderer and banish him. The Chorus (representing the people of Thebes) suggests that Oedipus consult Teiresias, the blind prophet. Oedipus tells them that he has already sent for Teiresias.

When Teiresias arrives, he seems reluctant to answer Oedipus's questions, warning him that he does not want to know the answers. Oedipus threatens him with death, and finally Teiresias tells him that Oedipus himself is the killer, and that his marriage is a sinful union. Oedipus takes this as an insult and jumps to the conclusion that Creon paid Teiresias to say these things. Furious, Oedipus dismisses him, and Teiresias goes, repeating as he does, that Laius's killer is right here before him - a man who is his father's killer and his mother's husband, a man who came seeing but will leave in blindness.


. . . . Suddenly understanding the terrible truth, Jocasta begs Oedipus not to carry through with his investigation. Oedipus replies that he swore to unravel this mystery, and he will follow through on his word. Jocasta exits into the palace.

Oedipus again swears that he will figure out this secret, no matter how vile the answer is. The Chorus senses that something bad is about to happen and join Jocasta's cry in begging the mystery to be left unresolved. Oedipus's men lead in an old shepherd, who is afraid to answer Oedipus's questions. But finally he tells Oedipus the truth. He did in fact give the messenger a baby boy, and that baby boy was Laius's son - the same son that Jocasta and Laius left on a hillside to die because of the oracle's prophecy.
. . . .

http://www.gradesaver.com/oedipus-rex-or-oedipus-the-king/study-guide/short-summary/

You need to actually read the plays. The summary, however, well written, can't do the story justice.

[redqueen]

34. Well that's not obvious at all. Nothing suspicious there, no way.

Sickening. Just sickening.

[sulphurdunn]

35. If you know what's good for you

you paint the roses red.

[PassingFair]

36. People of Britain....WTF?

Is there anything you can do about this?

[The Backlash Cometh]

67. I'm surprised that the british people aren't challenging this.

Although their laws regarding speech are stricter than ours, the british are far more outspoken than Americans.

In fact, it will be interesting to see what their reaction will be.

[NinetySix]

37. The man CLEARLY killed himself.

It's an open and shut case of suicide, plain and simple.

That's why the record has to remain classified for the next 70 years: to spare his children the painful details contained therein.

And his grandchildren.

And his great-grandchildren.

And his great-great-grandchildren.

Suicide is a dreadful business, ain't it? Now move along, nothing to see here.

[liam_laddie]

56. How about a sarcasm tag

for the more naive readers, like the trolls lurking hereabout?

[peacetalksforall]

38. We know one thing - there is guilt. We don't know one thing - names. We

know another thing - we can put together what happened and no one can say we're wrong.

We know another thing - the US and UK worked in sync the entire way on Iraq just as they do on other sick and plotted schemes to own the earth resources and control the people.

We might as well say that the the UK acted on behalf of the US PNAC and their barons.

They are together on letting Israeli leaders do whatever it wants to Palestinians & the Lebonese. And the US and UK will be together again with Israel if they do bomb Iran.

[Ticonderoga]

45. We know one name.

Lord Hutton, Accessory after the fact.

[mother earth]

41. No need to pretend any more. It is what it is, cover up

is so easy.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

44. Just think if the British public knew the real truth

'strange' how it comes before the Chilcot enquiry

can this be overturned?

[bluesmail]

80. That's the first thing I flashed on. Yes, The Chilquot. EOM

[ck4829]

46. The Hutton Inquiry has been thorougly debunked

It said that Kelly's allegations that the government spun the pre-war intel were was false, this has been since seen as not true time and time again.

[on point]

47. In other words he was murdered to keep the Blair war crimes secret

Perhaps only speculation without the evidence, but then by with holding the evidence, what else am I to conclude?

[lib2DaBone]

49. Dr.Kelly supposedly cut his left wrist and bled to death....

only one problem.. there was no blood found by the body. The autopsy also showed that where the body was found.. was not where he died.

So in effect, Dr. Kelly committed suicide, then he got up and walked over to a tree in a field more than a 1/2 mile away from where he died. The body was found in an upright position resting against a tree. The medical examiner stated that postmortem lividity tests proved that he died in a prone position.

They also found high levels of muscle relaxers and blood thinners in his body. (wonder how those got there? We are not talking street-level drugs here folks)

OK all you CSI Fans.. what's wrong with this picture?

I know.. cause of death is "Diarrhea Of The Mouth".. caused by exposing Bush/Blair War Crimes. Caution.. can be fatal.

[Raster]

53. "...cause of death is "Diarrhea Of The Mouth".. caused by exposing Bush/Blair War Crimes. Caution.

Can be fatal." No shit.

I'm sure there is a very small group of very nervous people from cheney*/bush*/rumsfeld* that really do know where all the bodies are buried and how all the vile little remnants from eight hideous years fit together. And you can be sure they've pretty much taken a blood oath of secrecy. They all know--some probably intimately--the consequences of crossing "the system." Two words just about sum it all up: "suspicious suicide."

And when it comes to "suspicious suicide," the BFEE and affiliates have elevated it to an art form of assassination and murder.

[The Backlash Cometh]

63. Muscle relaxers and blood thinners?

A sadistic killer, then?

[City Lights]

52. Interesting.

Very, very interesting...

[fascisthunter]

55. Lord Hutton is Guilty of a Cover Up

[Raster]

61. Absolutely. There is only one reason to seal evidence: to hide the truth.

And it would appear that the British government is willing to cooperate in doing just that. Lord Collaborator is following orders and putting on the nice upper-crust Brit flair, lying to the world about Kelly's murder. It's all to protect British involvement with the *illegal and immoral* Iraq invasion. After all, Britain was our chief accomplice, and the Blair government undoubtedly involved in war crimes up to their little beady eyeballs.

[barbtries]

57. the man was murdered.

no doubt in my mind whatsoever. this is a disgusting decision imo.

[The Backlash Cometh]

58. Now, this would be the perfect case where an act of civil disobedience

is called for. Government has exceeded its authority when it participates in a cover-up.

So, whoever has the evidence, post it on the net!

[FraDon]

129. Let a thousand Dan Ellsberg's Bloom !

[The Backlash Cometh]

130. This is the only revolution I would support.

A revolution of information.

[DutchLiberal]

60. Oh yes, we live in great, free, transparant democracies,,,

And we have to defend them to the 'terrorists'...

[Strelnikov_]

73. More and more our 'democracies' resemble a Phillip K. Dick story n/t

[starroute]

69. Operation Rockingham

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/nov/21/davidkelly.media

Friday 21 November 2003

David Kelly, giving evidence to the prime minister's intelligence and security committee in closed session on July 16 - the day before his suicide - made a comment the significance of which has so far been missed. He said: "Within the defence intelligence services I liaise with the Rockingham cell." Unfortunately nobody on the committee followed up this lead, which is a pity because the Rockingham reference may turn out to be very important indeed.

What is the role of the Rockingham cell? The evidence comes from a former chief weapons inspector in Iraq, Scott Ritter, who had been a US military intelligence officer for eight years and served on the staff of General Schwarzkopf, the US commander of allied forces in the first Gulf war. ... In an interview in the Scottish Sunday Herald in June, Ritter said: "Operation Rockingham cherry-picked intelligence. It received hard data, but had a preordained outcome in mind. It only put forward a small percentage of the facts when most were ambiguous or noted no WMD... It became part of an effort to maintain a public mindset that Iraq was not in compliance with the inspections. They had to sustain the allegation that Iraq had WMD Unscom was showing the opposite."

Rockingham was, in fact, a clearing house for intelligence, but one with a predetermined political purpose. According to Ritter, "Britain and America were involved in a programme of joint exploitation of intelligence from Iraqi defectors. There were mountains of information coming from these defectors, and Rockingham staff were receiving it and then selectively culling reports that sustained the claims. They ignored the vast majority of the data which mitigated against such claims." ...

One of its tactics, which Ritter cites, is its leaking of false information to weapons inspectors, and then, when the search is fruitless, using that as "proof" of the weapons' existence. He quotes a case in 1993 when "Rockingham was the source of some very controversial information which led to inspections of a suspected ballistic missile site. We ... found nothing. However, our act of searching allowed the US and UK to say that the missiles existed."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/jan/30/media.davidkelly2

Friday 30 January 2004

The Hutton report was released at the same time as the former head of the Iraq Survey Group, David Kay, testified before the US Congress that there appear to be no WMD in Iraq, and that the intelligence was "all wrong". Given this, the Hutton findings have taken on an almost Alice in Wonderland aura. By focusing on a single news story broadcast by the BBC, Hutton has created a political smokescreen behind which Blair is seeking to distract the British public from the harsh reality that his government went to war based on unsustained allegations that have yet to be backed up with a single piece of substantive fact. Lord Hutton was in a position to expose this; he chose not to. It is left to the public, therefore, to carefully examine his report, looking not for what it contains but for what is missing.

A review of testimony submitted to the inquiry elicits a single reference to Operation Rockingham, a secretive intelligence activity buried inside the Defence Intelligence Staff, which dealt with Iraqi WMD and activities of the UN special commission (Unscom). This acknowledged that Rockingham managed the interaction between David Kelly, the weapons expert whose suicide led to the Hutton inquiry, and the UN. But Lord Hutton dug no further into this. If he had, some interesting insight would have been provided on several issues of concern, including the possibility of the "shaping" of UN intelligence data by Rockingham to serve the policy objectives of its masters in the Foreign Office and the joint intelligence committee.

Dr Kelly became Rockingham's go-to person for translating the often confusing data that came out of Unscom into concise reporting that could be forwarded to analysts in the British intelligence community, as well as to political decision-makers. Rockingham was in a position to know that, increasingly, the facts emerging from inside Iraq supported Baghdad's contention that there was no longer a biological weapons programme in Iraq, or any hidden biological weapons or agents. ...

Given Rockingham's penetration of Unscom at virtually every level, there existed a seamless flow of data from Iraq, through New York, to London, carefully shaped from beginning to end by people working not for the UN security council, but for the British government. Iraq's guilt, preordained by the government, became a self-fulfilling prophesy that only collapsed when occupied Iraq failed to disgorge that which Rockingham, and the rest of the UK intelligence community, had said must exist.

[The Backlash Cometh]

87. Isn't that what you call inductive reasoning?

"Rockingham was, in fact, a clearing house for intelligence, but one with a predetermined political purpose. According to Ritter, "Britain and America were involved in a programme of joint exploitation of intelligence from Iraqi defectors. There were mountains of information coming from these defectors, and Rockingham staff were receiving it and then selectively culling reports that sustained the claims. They ignored the vast majority of the data which mitigated against such claims." ..."

Someone should write a paper on how inductive reasoning turned the world on its ear at the turn of the 21st Century.

[Strelnikov_]

72. Nothing to hide there . . .

[disndat]

76. The widow of Dr. Kelly

said it was suicide. How did they get her to say that? Gun to her head, or the equivalent, no doubt.

[Raster]

82. And she was present and can testify? Nah...she wants to move on.

Willingly or not.

You know, that's a funny thing about murder. Not only is it an instant action, i.e., taking out a critic of an illegal war you plan on starting, it also serves as a warning: toe the line or die.

In the realm of political-based murder and assassination, the underlying message is often more important than the actual crime itself. In the US it seems the small plane crash is one of the methods of choice.

[Subdivisions]

85. Yes. Even if she believes with all her being that he did not kill himself (and

after all she knew him best), that knowing will lead her to the conclusion that speaking up is tantamount to inviting those that suicided Dr. Kelly to also suicide her. So, unless she's suicidal, she naturally would remain silent, no matter the urge to yell to the rooftops a belief that her husband was murdered.

[Nihil]

134. More to the point ...

> speaking up is tantamount to inviting those that suicided Dr. Kelly
> to also suicide her.

She might even be prepared to take the risk for herself but the threat
that would convince her (as it would for any most parents) would be
the knowledge that by speaking out, her family would be killed - and not
necessarily in a painless manner.

Remember that the daughter was due to get married - another reason why
Kelly was happy, looking forward to planned events and not even slightly
suicidal - so there may even be grandchildren now to ensure that certain
mouths stay closed.

[The Orange Beggar]

78. Shades of the "Ripper"

that case also had a 100 year gag on it. As someone whose ancestor was Lord Sheriff at the time, Crown (Government) involvement. Can't charge the dead

[Subdivisions]

84. People have been ridiculed as batshit-insane conspiracy theorists for saying Kelly

was murdered. Now it is clear that the conspiracy theorists were right all along.

I state here again, officially, that I believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Not only did the neocons let it happen, they MADE IT HAPPEN!

[NoSheep]

99. Thank you.

:argh:

[WinkyDink]

102. No doubt in my mind. What were a few thousand lives to them?? Less than zero.

[ocd liberal]

103. I agree wholeheartedly and have since 9/12/01. n/t

[JohnyCanuck]

105. Now it is clear that the conspiracy theorists were right all along.

I also agree that 9/11 was an inside job.

[lumberjack_jeff]

86. They're sealing evidence that Kelly killed himself?

Of course not. The only possible explanation is that the government is protecting itself from culpability in his death.

[earth mom]

90. LIHOP/MIHOP -no doubt about it. nt

[bertman]

91. Rec for exposure. nt

[AzDar]

98. Does this asshole Hutton have the last word?

:wtf:

[ocd liberal]

100. So I'll be 118 years old when I find out Cheney did it?

[WinkyDink]

101. NOW who are the real tinfoil-hat wearers? I'd say those who believed Bushco.

[krkaufman]

104. Ok, I never really bought-into any of the conspiracy theories....

... but THIS story definitely has me wondering, now.

[JDPriestly]

106. That is practically an admission that the official story is false.

The only reason that such reports are kept secret is that their release would be very disturbing to the public.

We can safely assume that there was foul play. If there had been no foul play, the truth would not need to be concealed.

These are the kinds of decisions by the authorities that encourage us to develop and believe in "conspiracy theories."

This the kind of behavior that causes us to lose confidence in our "leaders" and governments.

This decision is inexcusable. For all the embarrassment and trouble the release of the information might cause, withholding it will cause far more. What fools run our governments?

[The Backlash Cometh]

127. "Disturbing to the public."

It's the kind of thing that will convince the public that shadow governments exist. Also, that there really is a matrix.

[truedelphi]

110. There is just nothing to see here, pls move on. n/t

[winyanstaz]

113. Something is highly wrong........................

This is total bullshit.
This is the same lying treasonous crap the U.S. Government did with Kennedy.
Covering up a murder like this should be a crime in itself...isnt it already a crime? Why is this any different?
This man should be prosecuted for aiding and abetting murder.

[Generator]

117. Sounds like the Brits now have their own JFK

My mouth gaped wide. Jeez, imagine if it's connected to Bush/Cheney somehow. Well I'll be dead and never know. I aint gonna make it to 117. DAMN IT!

[d_b]

118. And you know what?

Most people don't even give a shit about it, and the ones who do will just bitch and stomp their feet.

Injustice has no greater friends than apathy and equanimity.

[liberation]

119. Well, that settles it... nothing to see... move along.

It is not like the Government and the powers that be would ever lie to us.

BTW, what happened to that whole "if you have nothing to hide, you should not have anything to fear" Politicians often use to attack the privacy of their own citizens? Funny how the ones doing the most hiding are the same pols which are hell bent in not having us anything hidden from them.

[CJCRANE]

122. In 70 years people will read the truth and say...

"It couldn't happen today".

But of course their politicians will cover up scandals that won't be known about until the mid-22nd century.

[marmar]

126. Until long after the war criminals have taken the eternal dirt nap.

nt

[Joe Chi Minh]

128. I'm not saying anything...

[diane in sf]

131. well, isn't that special!

[New Dawn]

132. He was obviously murdered.

This ruling is basically an admission of guilt.

[truebrit71]

136. No cover-up here. Nope. Nothing to see. Move along...

...:eyes:

[Odin2005]

137. WTF?

:tinfoilhat:

[Poll_Blind]

140. That IS fucking astoundingly unusual. Well, it's not unusual if... n/t

PB