Group: Probe Rumsfeld Over 9/11 Items

[Khephra]

WASHINGTON -- Law enforcement agencies should investigate Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and FBI agents for possessing mementos from the sites of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a group of attorneys said Monday.

The National Whistleblower Center made the request because an inquiry found Rumsfeld has a piece of the airplane that flew into the Pentagon inside his office. The Justice Department's inspector general also discovered that 13 FBI agents had taken rubble, debris and items such as flags and a Tiffany crystal globe paperweight from Ground Zero at the World Trade Center.

Defense Department spokesman Eric Ruff rejected any suggestion of impropriety.

"It's not a souvenir; it is a memento on display in Secretary Rumsfeld's office," said Ruff. "It's hard to imagine there's something wrong in trying to remind people of what happened on 9/11."

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[ChompySnack]

1. A piece of the plane?

There are some theories that a plane could not have struck the Pentagon at that flat an angle and the few photos of the wreckage show extremely little in the way of airplane, and the lettering on the side is of a size that is inconsistent with the supposed plane that struck it.

Could this souvenir that Rummy took be some evidence he could use as blackmail in case someone in the administration turned on him?

[WoodrowFan]

4. and there are theories that the earth is flat

and they are about as intelligent as the theories that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon. I know an eyewitness who saw the plane hit. thank god for the ignore list, it helps keep the tinfoil level down.

[drfemoe]

6. ignore list doesn't stop

people from speculating about theories. There are eyewitnesses to a lot of things. I didn't know, however, that people still theorized the earth is flat? sheesh . what losers . :+

[librechik]

2. except that kind of memento keeping was specifically banned

at Grd 0 because of the disrespect for the dead that it shows. I hope they nail old "poo poo" on this peccadillo.

[The Night Owl]

3. Here is a fun project...

Here is a fun project...

Edit the article so that the name Rumsfeld is replaced by the name Hillary Clinton. Then post the edited article on any forum frequented by conservatives. Then listen to the glorious sound of gears crunching as the conservatives furiously backpedal after being told that Rummy, not Hillary, is actually the one with the 9/11 souvenir.

Post results here.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

5. oh for pete's sake

Look, if you want to prosecute people for taking items of value, or items of significance to the investigation, then go right ahead. But for christ's sake, they had to dump the entire wreckage at a landfill in New Jersey anyway. Lots of people picked up bits and pieces from the area. Should we go off and prosecute all of them?

Look, I can't stand Rummsfeld. I think he's a wanker, and I sure as hell won't defend his actions in this case. But to say that there needs to be an invesigation of this, at taxpayer expense is just ludicrous and also detracts from all of the really serious, fundamental, important things for which we SHOULD be invesigating that jackass.

Plus, if it's really that much of an issue, why not just demand that he give the piece back? Why does there need to be an investigation of something he admiits freely to? This will just look bitter and partisan and vindictive and stupid.

On second thought, yeah... he must have it to cover up the *real* culprits in the... oh, nevermind.

[drfemoe]

7. Do you know that when

Columbia crashed over Texas last year, acres of the state were roped off and patrolled. Collection sites were set up across the state and the public was warned that it was a crime to collect any of the debris and not turn it over to authorities. Small towns became little boomers as the contractors hired the locals to sort and process all the "mementos". There was an INVESTIGATION.

The glaring issue in this story is that 911 was never subject to any kind of investigation. Evidently some folks walked in and grabbed evidentiary property. Most of it was shipped out on a fast boat to China. The Defense Secretary gets to point to his failure to act to defend our country, and keep the evidence on his coffee table. Why is no one as keen to point to the results of SOME KIND of investigation into the tragedy, rather than focus political sympathy on keepsakes?

[metisnation]

8. agreed

there is more wrong doing that would put these criminals away behind bars for the rest of their lives.

[TankLV]

14. And we shouldn't persue AWOL, or

why bother bringing up the past with an invesitgation of 911 either?

Get over it all. Geesh!

I mean, just because no one but the repukes can exploit 911 to their dilugional advantage. Nevermind that AWOL bunkerboy won't and hasn't cooperated with any investigation.

After all, we've got all those nice partisan repukes investigating our glorious leader, just like these same persons conducted a thorough investigation of Clinton. I mean, we wouldn't want to be partisan or anything and maybe have a democrat do the investigating of a repuke. Can't have that.

Just play nice and maybe they'll just give us back our country.

No need to mention all the "unpleasant" thingys that seem to dog bunkerboy, now, right?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

17. get over what? oh... that.

>Get over it all. Geesh!

No, but get over the idea that you can nail these morons for every small and stupid infraction that they make. It doesn't fly with the American public. Hell, it doesn't even fly with me, and I can't stand Rummy.

>Just play nice and maybe they'll just give us back our country.

No, that's just the opposite of what I said. I was trying to say that you ought to focus your energies on something that might have a real, tangible outcome, rather than gobbledygook that would at most result in a slap on the wrist.

Go ahead. Go make a big brouhaha over this and see what happens. Nobody will ever be prosecuted, and the public won't give a damn. And you'll have wasted countless hours and vast sums of money in the process that could have been put towards many other, better ways of getting these geeks out of the white house.

Plus, "pieceofairplanegate" just doesn't have a good ring to it.

[TankLV]

18. No, I and millions of others, won't get over it.

We will make a "big brouhaha" over this and countless other wrongs and criminal acts.

It DOES make a difference.

We haven't gotten over the stolen election, and every fucking thing this bunch of thugs and criminals has done since. NEVER!

It DOES make a difference.

The amerikkkan sheeple are beginning to wake up.

They ARE beginning to realize that ALL these acts, taken together, create a big picture of fraud, illegality and criminality.

THAT is what is having the effects we are seeing now. Where at the minimum, people see it's OK for them to question, demand answers from, and yes, hate bunkerboy.

It's the immorality, stupid.

It's the lies, stupid.

Etc.
Etc.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. terrible gibberish

>We haven't gotten over the stolen election

Look. Again, you aren't getting my point. The point is to FOCUS on important issues like the stolen election, rather than taking this shotgun approach, screaming about every little thing, and accomplishing absolutely zilch.

>They ARE beginning to realize that ALL these acts,
>taken together, create a big picture of fraud,
>illegality and criminality.
>It's the immorality, stupid.

No. They're doing exactly what Americans always do - pound on their chests, go running screaming off to battle, then look for someone to blame when they don't come back victorious in five minutes. If you think that America's displeasure with Bush has anything to do with the Iraq war being immoral, you're wrong. They're unhappy because we're losing. The MAJORITY view in this country right now is that Bush is a nice guy, but a lousy president. You want to work to change that? Start with Enron. Get Ken Lay on TV every day. Put Bush's environmental record on trial (lots of illegal activity there.) Put him in the hot seat for completley ignoring the poor and middle class in this country.

In other word's, it's the economy, stupid.

>It's the lies, stupid.

Again, where's the lie here? Rummy admits freely that he did it. Jesus, Bush is a blatant fucking liar about WMDs, but does anybody care? No. Again, they only "care" because we're screwing up the war.

[boobooday]

9. Part of a bigger plan . . .

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[proud patriot]

10. What's the difference between a souvenir and a memento ?

"It's not a souvenir; it is a memento on display in Secretary Rumsfeld's office,"

:shrug:

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

12. Souvenir implies he is relishing the thought of 9/11

Memento is a sort of reminder of glory lost.

There is quite a difference.

[TankLV]

11. I just have one question: What does "911" refer to?

"It's hard to imagine there's something wrong in trying to remind people of what happened on 9/11."

Did something happen then? I must've forgotten. No-one mentions it at all.

What did I miss?

I am so thankful that we have these honerable men occupying OUR White House to do our thinking for us and to remind us of the important things in our nation's life.

[leesa]

13. Probe Rumsfeld over lies told to foment a war.

[cliss]

15. Memento. Definition:

"Any reminder of the past, a souvenir. Reminisce, to remember". From the American Heritage Dictionary.

This definition would seem innocent enough, however, when it comes to Donald Rumsfeld -- it's probably something sinister. I can only imagine it takes up a big part of his desk, and he probably looks at it all day long while he's at work.

It's not a reminder of terrorists in action, but a constant reminder of something near & dear to his heart: death and dying. Other peoples' deaths.

The dude is morbidly fascinated by the subject. The depths of this man's depravity is something few people probably know about, with the exception of his wife who's probably glimpsed something very murderous and frightening about her husband.

[et in Arcadia ego...]

16. 9/11 was a "DEFENSE" failure! Rumsfeld needs to be reminded

of THAT. Let's get rid of his sorry ass in November. He can take his damn trinkets with him.