Fox News: Kerry Responsible for 9/11

[mobuto]

I don't have a link yet, but Fox News just claimed, quoting the New York Post, that John Kerry was responsible for 9/11. Apparently somebody forwarded information to John Kerry's office, three months before 9/11, that indicated security lapses at Logan International. Kerry promptly forwarded those warnings to the Department of Transportation, when he "should have known" that Bush's people at DoT were incompetent and unlikely to do anything in response. Had Kerry taken proper action, 9/11 would never have occured.

Ah, the Murdoch Press...

[Skittles]

1. tell me you are kidding, mobuto

Please.

[mobuto]

3. Not a joke

The most absurd story I've ever seen.

[deutsey]

24. Send this link to NYPost and FAUX in response

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/911bush.html

9/11: Bush Knew
A collection of compelling articles, which refute, or, at the very least, call into question, the assertions that Bush and his administration had no prior knowledge of events that would lead to the 9-11 tragedy.

[Zero Gravitas]

58. I've heard an even more absurd story:

"MIHOP"

[Skittles]

80. while I agree perhaps MIHOP is over the top

I feel that LIHOP is right on target.

[bearfartinthewoods]

64. the freeps were all over this a couple days ago

seems like some guy who worked at the airport had been contacting Kerry about the dismal security at login and Kerry didn't give the matter the attention the shistleblower thought was necessary.

ON EDIT...he didn't work for the airport but for whatever agency governed airport security at the time. recently retired out of frustration, if you wabt to believe his story.

[Blue_Roses]

95. Here's a little more about the author of

this article:

http://www.wnd.com/speakers/psperry.asp

and look at the list on the left of those who also contribute to worldnet.

This guy is a pirrahna. He's a blowhard for FOX.

[Just Me]

111. So absurd it hardly seems worth a response, huh LOL!!! *eom*

[aprilgirl]

37. He's not kidding, I watched it too.

Really sickening. They just can't stoop low enough. If this is what Americans want, this is what they should be made to live with.

[mobuto]

38. Welcome to DU, Aprilgirl

You couldn't make this stuff up if you wanted to.

[Richardo]

2. Next up on Faux News...John Kerry gave birth to Saddam Hussein

Pretty much indistinguishable from Weekly World News, no?

[underpants]

10. Was JacqueChirac the father?

We'll see if they really want to go down this road or if a link can be provided. I think that if the RW does most people will see how ridiculous it is and how W just can't seem to take responsibility for anything. Fox is becoming more and more like Drudge/Rush/Hannity radio show.

[Richardo]

25. Ma oui, you silly underwear person, you....

[grannylib]

4. This IS a joke, right?? Please tell me not even FAUX would be THAT

stupid...
of course, if they actually admitted to Chimpy's incompetence, this could be a good thing.

[berry]

126. Ah, but remember--Chimpy made a Democrat head of the DoT

I go back and forth on LIHOP and MIHOP, but it certainly seems convenient that the one cabinet official who is being blamed here is Mineta. So even calling the DoT incompetant isn't supposed to touch * or the GOP. This smells.

[utopian]

5. Jesus Christ. These people are so desperate

This is passing the buck on a major scale.

[gWbush is Mabus]

6. if this is not a joke

we need to start going after the media for SLANDER and LIBEL

lawsuits

[jean]

once Spitzer cleans up the bond market can we sic him on the media?

[54anickel]

7. That's funny stuff. Should have known Shrub's people were incompetent.

OMG, such desperation. Wonder if Rove is having an absolute fit over this one. He can't REALLY be stupid enough to have OK'd this twisted angle, could he?

[mot78]

8. Rrrright

And I'm responsible for 9/11 because I don't support racial profiling. :eyes:

[Donkeyboy75]

47. You bastard!

Oh, you were kidding.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that this attack could be made on Kerry as well.

[NashVegas]

9. As Entertaining As this is

It needs a link ASAP. See LBN rules. Thanks :)

[mobuto]

12. See below

[NashVegas]

29. Thanks.

Fun stuff.

[grannylib]

14. Just checked both FAUX and the Post and still not finding it but looking..

BTW we need a smilie looking through binocs (maybe with the lens caps on??) or with a magnifying glass!!!

[mobuto]

11. Here's the Article

Fox News was referring to this article in yesterday's NY Post. These guys are ridiculous.

March 15, 2004 -- SEN. John Kerry boasts how he "sounded the alarm on terrorism years before 9/ 11," referring to his 1997 book "The New War." Too bad he didn't blast it when it really counted - four months before the hijackings, when he was hand-delivered evidence of serious security breaches at Logan International Airport, with specific warnings that terrorists could exploit them.

Former FAA security officials say the Massachusetts senator had the power to prevent at least the Boston hijackings and save the World Trade Center and thousands of lives, yet he failed to take effective action after they gave him a prophetic warning that his state's main airport was vulnerable to multiple hijackings.

"He just did the Pontius Pilate thing and passed the buck" on back through the federal bureaucracy, said Brian Sullivan, a retired FAA special agent from the Boston area who in May 2001 personally warned Kerry that Logan was ripe for a "jihad" suicide operation possibly involving "a coordinated attack."

-continued-

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/20808.htm

[Mistress Quickly]

13. the Pontius Pilate thing???

:freak:

:wtf:

[chopper]

16. don't you get it?

John Kerry also killed Jesus.

[mobuto]

18. In other words, John Kerry killed Jesus too

He made the fatal mistake of trusting the Bush Administration on National Security. Something he'll not do again.

[MurrayDelph]

57. So, according to Fox

Kerry not only "looks French", but he's Jewish, too?

[mobuto]

59. Kerry is French AND Jewish

Remember, he had two Jewish grandparents.

Well, that may work for the Bush Administration out in Peoria and it may get Mel Gibson's vote, but as I happen to be a French Jew myself, so I think I'll vote for Kerry.

[HereSince1628]

68. We need Illinois this fall, don't piss on Peoria

[mobuto]

70. Just quoting Dick Nixon

Nixon's test for all political decisions was whether "it will play in Peoria."

We'll win Illinois in November.

[GermanDJ]

89. Being French was no obstacle for you when working with the CIA?

I was just wondering, aren't those guys a little overcautious when it comes to selecting new recruits?

Oh, I'm referring to this recent post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=408248#408370


:eyes:

[mobuto]

92. Nope

Of course the CIA never recruited me, so its hard to know for sure. But if they do, I'll let you know.

[alfredo]

117. Try it, it's fun. They will wine and dine you.

You don't need to join, just enjoy the ride.

[Chovexani]

100. Bill Maher was just making fun of something like this last week!

Bill Maher did a satirical Bush/Cheney ad last week on his show with a scary voiceover that Kerry is really Jewish and hates Jesus, and Jesus calls Bush every night at 8:30.

Damn, in addition to being funny and intelligent the guy is PSYCHIC too. I can't believe they'd actually go there. They are so freaking desperate!

[Richardo]

15. So an FAA special agent doesn't notify anyone in Washington?

...besides his Senator? That guy should have his pension revoked. I'm sure that's not SOP. :eyes:

[underpants]

20. Exactly- why wouldn't you send it to everyone he could

~"Oh I gave to a US SENATOR I wa sure he would take care of everything" BS!!!!!!!

I don't recall any Senators being implicated in any of the attacks during "CLINTON's WATCH"

[OKNancy]

78. He did

This Kerry slander is just a new twist.

[underpants]

19. AND they compare him to Pontius Pilate-how convenient

"He just did the Pontius Pilate thing and passed the buck" on back through the federal bureaucracy, said Brian Sullivan, a retired FAA special agent from the Boston area who in May 2001 personally warned Kerry that Logan was ripe for a "jihad" suicide operation possibly involving "a coordinated attack."

[Richardo]

22. Sullivan added: "Oh yeah, I also served with Bush in Alabama..."

"...almost forgot to mention that."

[ewagner]

40. Did this ...uuummm...person...

ever hear of chain-of-command? Why didn't he take it to his superiors or, if it was such a grave threat, THEIR superiors?

What the hell was kerry supposed to do? Turn himself into Rambo and singlehandedly fight the terrorists at the gate?

Passing it to the appropriate authorities is WHAT SENATORS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!

[rumguy]

107. unbelievable - there is no depth to which these people will not sink

Jesus would be ashamed of them...

[boobooday]

30. Just when you think they have maxed out

On outlandishness, they come up with this one!!!

Unbelievable. But they are getting SO FAR OUT there, and looking SO DESPERATE that only this guy still believes them:



http://www.wgoeshome.com

[russian33]

33. Thank god...

...and here I thought 9/11 was Clinton's fault...damn Kerry!

[Brotherjohn]

35. It's ironic that the guy says Kerry "passed the buck", since the entire...

... story amounts to Bush "passing the buck".

[Champion Jack]

43. Aren't Faux and the Post owned by the same guy?

[mobuto]

44. Yup, Rupert Murdoch

Truly America's Greatest Public Servant.

Or something like that.

[Brotherjohn]

46. The article asks: "Where was Kerry's sense of urgency? Where was his...

...leadership? These are fair questions to ask of someone vying for Bush's job."

Okay. So why don't we ask them of Bush then?

Where was his sense of urgency when the Clinton WH warned him that he'd spend more time on Al Qaeda and terrorism than anything else? Well, it was urgent enough to have it placed as priority number... well, it wasn't actually ON the DOJ's list of priorities before 9-11. Maybe it was #80, or #122.. I forget.

Where was his sense of urgency when the CIA (and other governments) gave him specific warnings that terrorists were planning on using planes as weapons and planning on a major, coordinated attack against U.S. targets? Well, I guess the 9-11 Commission can ask him about that... that is, if he has time in his busy schedule... and if he doesn't think the Presidential Daily Brief or everything else he does as President is too confidential for closed-door questioning by a commission he himself approved.

[Brotherjohn]

52. Kerry was simply following proper channels. Besides, the Hart-Rudman...

... Commission on terrorism already figured out how lax our security was. It was up to BUSH to do something about that. He was moving in the opposite direction (DOJ placing NO priority on terror, ignoring warnings from CIA and other governments, perhaps even, allegedly, calling off the dogs in investigations into Saudi terrorism, including Bin Laden).

Kerry, nor any other Congressperson, cannot be expected to lauch congressional investigations into every communication from a constituent, prompted by "TV stings" and such. He did not ignore it. He did just what someone in his position should have done... personal opinions from constituents, as to what THEY thought he should have done aside. Besides, there already had been extensive investigations of such security lapses by governmental agencies much more qualified.

What would they have had him do? Slap on his VietNam era gear and personally patrol Logan looking for "swarthy" men? Personally install stronger cockpit doors and locks on every airplane that landed at Logan.

[juajen]

51. It appears to me that the reporters and tv station that

ran with their investigation did the terrorists' work for them. Perhaps they should also be hauled before the 9/11 commission. I agree wholeheartedly that something should have been done; but, I doubt seriously if any other senator, given the same information, would have done any more than Kerry did. After all, at that time, he did not preside over this country.

[Zero Gravitas]

61. "Passing the Buck"

A George "Its not my fault" Bush supporter complaining that Kerry was passing the buck? WTF? Kerry sent the info on to the proper authorities in the Chimp regime. What was he supposed to do? conduct security checks at Logan personally?

[Scairp]

84. The list gets longer

According to the right-wing wackos Bill Clinton was responsible for 9/11, and now Kerry is too. I guess everyone EXCEPT Shrub jr. is responsible. Never mind that this happened on his watch. Oh, and of course, the guys who actually flew the planes into the various targets on that terrible day have no part in what they did. This is beyond absurd. :puke:

[frank frankly]

88. the Pontius Pilate thing

this may be the worst thing i have ever read

now i know what to have nightmares about tonight

JK better keep swinging. hit them on 9/11, JK. you're going to have to, even if that wasn't your plan.

[Hobarticus]

17. Laughable...

This is the kind of ridiculous thing that we WANT the RW to trumpet on high. Let them weave their own rope.

[grannylib]

21. Oh for heaven's sake...anyone got the link to the warning

that terrorists were going to use airplanes and fly into buildings but Rice said there was no way the administration could have known that was going to happen?
Now THERE is some blame to be laid.

[jackstraw45]

23. I wish the DNC would grow some bells and

sue the crap out of Faux for slander.

If we had REAL leadership at the DNC, the sheeple would get two sides to the story.

[juajen]

56. Now, that was funny

I wish you could see my thought processes, i.e., "bells" "balls", etc. Funny!

[snooper2]

26. this is pretty sad..

Just tuned into stupid El-Rushbo....

If that dumb ass fucker talks about it, Hannity will, and see how it floats...

[bluedog]

27. yesterday

they blamed Kerry for the deaths of soldiers because he voted against the 87 billion (which would have provided equiptment for men and armor for men.damn I wish I would have caught the name ..maybeit was senator hayworth I believe said that.will have to check for sure......

[Qutzupalotl]

115. That's funny,

because the 87 billion was approved anyway, so lack of funding can't be said to be the cause of any deaths in Iraq--unless 87 billion is insufficient, which would mean poor planning on the part of "whovever" requested that figure.

[Dogmudgeon]

28. Come on, Mobuto

Don't mess with my head like that. It could set my therapy back months.

It is a joke, right, Mobuto?

Mobuto?

--bkl
Why do the little tufts of fabric in the carpet mock me so?

[mobuto]

94. Months?

That's the idea BareKnuckle - Fox News and I are sharing a cut from your therapist, who just gets that much more money.

;-)

[CaptainClark23]

31. I'm gonna go throw a nice fat snowball

at the Fox offices on 6th avenue.

I invite any NYC DU'ers in midtown to do the same this afternoon.

Will it achieve anything? No. But it will make you feel just a little bit better.

[Gman]

32. I saw this at FR last night

they were salivating in a Pavlovian way hoping the "mainstream" media would pick up on it.

The thing about the "warning" is it could have been said about every airport in the country that's big enough to have a 727 or bigger fly in or out.

Hell, the airport in Nassaua is big enough and close enough to accomplish in Miami what happened 9/11.

[PaDUer]

136. Hoping the media would pick it up......

Don't you mean--they sent it to the media.

[Melinda]

34. And this latest media attack is surprising because ______________

Share the naivete.

:eyes:

[Twenty3]

36. I heard this last night..

on the Michael Savage show on the car radio (captive audience). Kerry is responsible for 9/11!! He was warned, and did nothing! NOTHING! (I'm paraphrasing)

This was right after his "Logical Analysis" of the Spain election.
1. Are the Socialists and Al Quaeda in cahoots?
(or)
2. Are the Socialists just capitalizing on the dead bodies of their countrymen, as ALL Socialists have ALWAYS done?
:mad:

I do hope he (and now Fox) has opened up a nice can of worms with this business of WHO was warned, and WHO did nothing. It ain't Kerry, as we already know.

[info being]

39. This is good. If they want to scrap at this level...

Kerry will be *forced* to reveal more truth about the criminal * administration.

[ElementaryPenguin]

41. This is FANTASTIC! Keeps the dialog up about who KNEW about 9-11!

All fingers pointed at Bushler once more! This merely describes another warning that his misadministration ignored!

:evilgrin:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

135. Yup. Every attack on Kerry can wound Bushler much more with the truth.

A maxim of corporate advertising: Sell Your Weaknesses

That is, claim strength where you are weakest. It's a way to pre-empt and confuse issues you can lose on.

That's why oil companies sell 'caring about the environment.'
That's why * will be sold as 'strong on security and the economy.'

It's Everything is the Opposite World. Get used to it.

The Bush* neocons are screwed badly on 9/11 and they've hung their entire campaign and NYC convention on it. So they need to make all the charges against Kerry that he will make against them, first!

Next they will claim that Kerry ruined the economy and the Bill of Rights. It only makes sense...not. They've already tried to claim that Kerry prevented the troops from being well equipped. And Kerry put up a bill to allow reimbursement to families that had to buy body armor for their loved ones in Iraq since they weren't given any!!

[54anickel]

42. Wow, that special agent must be physic! All the details, nearly

identical to what actually happened. This guy could give Miss Cleo a run for her money. :eyes:

[sinkingfeeling]

45. Since when is it the responsibility of a Senator to run the departments

that we spend billions of dollars on each year? If these two guys were so familar with the FAA and DOT incompetencies, why didn't they go to the NSC and MS. Rice? The article states they want Kerry to appear before the 9-11 commission....I've been demanding that the Bush administration and asshole appear before the commission, under oath, since it was formed!

[keithyboy]

48. I hope Kerry does appear before the commission...another nail in GW

These administration stooges are fools! If it weren't so tragic, it would be hysterical!

[tlcandie]

49. So, where is this guy's responsibility? He tells Kerry and he thinks

or feels that he dropped the ball, then wasn't it HIS responsibility to make sure that someone OVER Kerry knew about it or even the people as in talking to journalists?

/coughs loudly :eyes:

He's stating that he's liable for the same thing for which he's accusing Kerry? Doh!

[Tippy]

50. Oh My God Think About It

If only President Bush had shared intelligence with Congress 9/11 would have been prevented.

[Donkeyboy75]

53. All of you have it wrong

Clinton's penis is to blame. After all, the jets were shaped kinda like a penis, so clearly Clinton's penis inspired the 9/11 attacks.

:crazy:

[OKNancy]

54. I found something interesting

I posted it in GD



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=464222#464276

---
Article by Sullivan, and about him.
( the retired FAA guy)
----------

Edit:

Here is the post..better over here anyway

Brian Sullivan ( the retired FAA guy they are using to smear Kerry)

http://www.freedomtocare.org/page213.htm

Read the whole thing....

and this:

Sullivan says Sen. Kerry responded to his letter and asked the

Department of Transportation's Inspector General look into the matter.

"I think Sen. Kerry did get it to the right people and they were

about to take action."

The FAA also responded, but in a way that left Sullivan unconvinced

that anything would happen anytime soon.
---------

Edit: in this article, written by Sullivan he blames DOT,FAA and the Airlines

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2002/06/17/FairComment/Dot-Faa.And.Airl...

-----------
An article from 9-12-2001
Sullivan is quoted but makes no mention of Kerry or blames Kerry one single time.

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2002/06/17/FairComment/Dot-Faa.And.Airl...

------------
9-14-01

http://www.seacoastonline.com/2001news/9_14_sb2.htm

Brian Sullivan, who retired in January as an FAA risk management specialist in the New England, said he warned federal authorities as early as May of security problems at Logan. He even suggested then that the airport was vulnerable to multiple hijackings.

"Think what the result would be of a coordinated attack which took down several domestic flights on the same day," Sullivan wrote in a letter to Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. "The problem is that with our current screening system, this is more than possible. We don't have to wait for a tragedy to occur to act."

Kerry's office said it took Sullivan's concerns seriously and sent his letter, along with a news video Sullivan had included, to the General Accounting Office for review.

The GAO did not "give us follow-up on that," said Kerry spokeswoman Kelly Benander.

----------
THis one is good:
http://www.american-reporter.com/2,307/252.html

Sullivan is involved in the lawsuit against the airlines as a whistleblower......

[tlcandie]

62. Thanks OkNancy!

So, it was taken out of context or this guy was paid to change his mind?
:shrug:

I think Kerry is laughing at seeing this! I mean what other response is there?

First laugh then get mad! I wouldn't wanna be this cabal because I think making Kerry REALLY mad about this sort of stuff will end up biting them BIG time!

IOW...Kerry = nasty player when pushed into a corner about lies!

[Brotherjohn]

65. Hmmnn. Interesting. BEFORE he was running for President, Sullivan...

...said that "I think Sen. Kerry did get it to the right people and they were about to take action."
(the article you link to is dated Sept. 16th, 2001)

NOW that he is running against Bush, Sullivan says Kerry "passed the buck".

Well, THAT doesn't sound political, DOES IT?

[underpants]

66. So Sullivan reported it to Kerry AND the FAA hotline

As for vulnerability, the evidence available in the summer and fall of 2001 was voluminous. The Government Accounting Office, the DOT Office of the Inspector General and two presidential commissions clearly had detailed the shortcomings in our aviation-security system. These reports were available to the public — so much so that one such report was found by U.S. troops in an al-Qaeda cave in Afghanistan translated from its English version. The enemy was aware of our deficiencies in this regard and unfortunately appeared to be paying more attention than we were.

In addition, if we look at Boston's Logan International Airport, where it all began that fateful September morning, we see the Boston Globe having reported more than 136 security violations in 1999. That same year a teen-ager climbed the airport's perimeter barrier, boarded an aircraft and flew to England before being caught — not a great indicator of tough security.

In early May 2001, a local TV station conducted an undercover sting at the very same terminals and screening checkpoints exploited on 9/11. The results were dismal, with nine of 10 attempted penetrations being successful. That report was provided to the office of Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and to the FAA administrator's hotline. By all accounts, the vulnerability rating at Logan International Airport and at other major airports (including Washington Dulles and Newark International in New Jersey) across the nation had to be considered high.

[OKNancy]

67. I have edited

the post in GD and found more

On 9-12-01, Sullivan never even brings up Kerry's name as someone responsible. And in another article, he blames the FAA, DOT, and the Airlines.

[DoYouEverWonder]

72. Damn you and I are hot on the same trail

I just posted the same thing in GD and was going to post it here but you were ahead of me.

Sure seems like this fellow Sullivan has changed his tune since two years ago in regards to Kerry?

Sullivan says Sen. Kerry responded to his letter and asked the Department of Transportation's Inspector General look into the matter. "I think Sen. Kerry did get it to the right people and they were about to take action."

[OKNancy]

77. Yeah...google is our friend

in this case anyway

[qanda]

81. As a former employee of the FAA

I have to say that responses to Congressional letters were taken very seriously. They *always* went to the top levels of our organization and were eventually signed by the administrator. I'm not sure what happened in this case, but it sounds like somebody high up dropped the ball.

[ElementaryPenguin]

83. Terrfiic work, okNancy!! Kerry clearly acted appropriately!!

What an incredible repuke-spun crock of shit!

[peterh]

85. it seems the gop puke machine…

has breached the bottom of the barrel with this one….I mean, one doesn’t have to search very far to see that Sullivan is changing his story…heck, the “freedomtocare” item shows up first in a search….Kerry should just out and out, lay into faux in the most vindictive manner for their unethical and unprofessional trashy tabloid nonsense….the post doesn’t deserve a mention because it’s just fish wrap anyway….

[Walt Starr]

55. WTF is with these clowns? Give the GOP enough rope and they'll

shoot themselves in the foot.

What morans (sic)!

When Kerry told them to 'Bring it on." I sincerely did not think they would be this completely stupid about it.

Saying Kerry is responsible for 9/11 because he "knew something about Logan airport security lapses." swings the door wide open for asking what Bush knew and when he knew it. They DO NOT WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD!

This is good news for Kerry.

Edited to add: I worked security in airports in a previous life. Every airport in the country suffered from the lapses in security that Logan had on 9/11. Every airport in the nation is still wide open to security breaches to this day.

[Ravy]

73. What security breaches?

As I recall, at the time box-cutters were not illegal nor considered a threat. The hijackers reportedly flew all the time, so I don't believe they existed in any "don't allow to fly" list.

It isn't like they were trying to smuggle a gun in or a huge knife.

So, how exactly, if Logan Airport followed all of the security procedures in place AT THE TIME... would any of this been prevented?

There are really three dramatic changes that have taken place since 9/11 that would have prevented this. Any of the three now would have prevented those attacks.

1. Enhanced screenings. Probably the LEAST effective in preventing another 9/11. Mistakes happen. Some items do get through, but MOST don't!

2. Re-enforced and locked cockpit doors. People will no longer be able to take control of the plane from the passenger section.

3. A change in the public awareness that would cause the passengers not to sit idly by while a plane is being threatened. This "procedure" actually changed DURING 9/11, when the passengers of one of the hijacked planes were informed what was happening. That plane may have been going down (and it did) but NOT where the hijackers wanted it to.

So, even knowing you could get a howitzer on an aircraft thorough Logan airport.... that simply didn't happen. They didn't have anything illegal (at the time) on them.

[Walt Starr]

82. Which is why I stated all airports in the country had the same security

lapses. I could take a knife on board so long as the blade did not exceed 6 inches. I can do a hell of a lot of damage with such a knife. There was also a rule about "tools of the trade" which meant that a professional who required certain tools for their job could bring the tools onboard as carry ons. A baseball player could legally bring a baseball bat on board. A butcher could legally bring knives in excess of 6 inches on board. Security prior to 9/11 was the biggest joke in the world and was only in place to make the passengers feel safer.

And to this day, there simply is not enough security in the airports. I guarantee you, if a group of terrorists wanted to get a bomb on board in carry on luggage, it would be a simple matter to componentize it and get it on in most cases. It would require several suicide bombers colluding, but it could be done.

[seaglass]

60. In Brian Sullivan's own words from June 17 2002

"On the score of accountability, lawmakers should be looking squarely at the FAA and the airlines."

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1571/22_18/87917203/p3/article.jhtml?term=

Seems that he's changes his mind.

[Beetwasher]

63. Now Is the Time for Kerry to Open Up a Can of Whoop Ass

and discuss pre-9/11 warnings and Bin Laden's family being airlifted out of the US the next day...

[Lex]

98. Yep. Hit back HARD, Senator Kerry!

This may be just the open door he needs to shove 9/11 down Bush's throat for all the American public to see.

This has GOT to piss Kerry off more than anything imaginable.

[Brotherjohn]

69. Funny. I have yet to read a story in the MAINSTREAM press blaming Bush...

... for 9-11. And that's after 2.5 years. And he was President.

That stuff has always been labelled as conspiracy theory and limited to fringe internet sites and partisan publications.

But as soon as the Democrats lock up a nominee, a major national news network and a major paper of our biggest city are saying: "He's responsible for 9-11!!"

Damn liberal media!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

71. But Condi Rice said nobody could have predicted the attacks

So either Sullivan or Rice is lying:

"...Think what the result would be of a coordinated attack which took down several domestic flights on the same day. With our current screening, this is more than possible. It is almost likely." The toll from such an attack would be economic, as well as human, he predicted with chilling accuracy.

[Brotherjohn]

76. Not to mention the Phoenix memo. Not to mention the G-8 Summit, where...

...specific threats of airplanes being flown into the summit were taken so seriously that anti-aircraft positions were set up around it. Not to mention the foiled attempt to fly a plane into the Eiffel Tower.

No, no one could have forseen this type of attack! Well, no one who was either a moron or looked the other way.

[truthspeaker]

74. so the FAA reports to an individual Senator now?

Funny, I thought it was part of the executive branch.

[deadparrot]

75. Eight months until the election...

How much lower can we go, Georgie? What else are you gonna pull out of the bag before this is all over?

Why are we not blaming the Bush people at DoT? Shouldn't they have been competent enough to do something about it?

Saying that Kerry is soft on terror, or that he's going to raise taxes, is one thing. Blaming him for the deadliest terror attack in world history and the deaths of over 3,000 people is another.

[rocktivity]

79. "Should have known" only counts in manslaughter trials

Sounds like Kerry did what he was supposed to. Why didn't the (Bush) Dot?

:headbang:
rocknation

[gasperc]

86. Wow, the've gone from panic to downright nuts

they should at least save this stuff for the convention but what the hell blow your wad early. It looks like tons of pressure are coming down on Bush Inc. to start leading in the polls or they are going to dump him like yesterday's bowel movement!

[SOS]

87. Al Franken described how the RW lie machine works

First, a fringe lunatic like Paul Sperry, who writes for the neo-fascist Frontpagemag, puts out a lie.
Then it gets picked up by the NY Post.
Then on to Fox News.
Then to MSNBC.
Then to CNN.
Then to ABC/NBC/CBS Nightly News.

They are adept at this lying and smearing.
Remember the Kerry intern lies? Same strategy.

[bushisanidiot]

90. It happened on AWOL's Watch, It's His Damned Fault

and his ass will be FIRED in November!

[IronLionZion]

91. It's our fault

for allowing Bush to take office and for allowing years of draconian foreign policy to cause such intense hatred for America in the world. If Kerry is guilty, then so am I and so are you.

[Dr Fate]

93. It's Kerry's fault for not knowing Bush is incompetent? Huh???

is this really the FOX message???

[ParanoidPat]

96. BREAKING: Kerry warned Bush* Administration of 911 Security Lapses

DU News Service

KERRY ISSUED LOGAN SECURITY WARNING PRIOR TO 911

by ParanoidPat for DUNS :evilgrin:

New York - Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry is embroiled in a new controversy today as details emerged in the NY Post of security fears raised by a former FAA employee and passed on to the Massachusetts's Senator. According to the Post report, Brian Sullivan, a retired FAA special agent from the Boston area claims to have issued the warning in May 2001 in a two page letter to the Senator. Sullivan said he personally warned Kerry that Logan was ripe for a "jihad" suicide operation possibly involving "a coordinated attack."

On May 6, 2001 Boston TV station Fox-25 made public a story by reporter Deborah Sherman on an undercover investigation at Logan that Sullivan and another retired agent, Steve Elson, helped set up, possibly aiding the 911 hijackers by tipping them off to the vulnerabilities in security at Logan. The report cited that in nine out of 10 tries, a crew got knives and other weapons through security checkpoints - including the very ones exploited by the 9/11 hijackers.

In a bizarre twist, NY Post columnist Paul Sperry blames the Senator for the attacks that originated at Logan and subsequently devastated the World Trade Center in New York City. Although Kerry told the Boston Globe that he'd triggered an undercover probe of Logan security by the General Accounting Office in June 2001, and the Bush* Administrations FAA and DOT failed to act to bolster security at the airport in light of the findings of the security probes, Sperry holds Kerry responsible for not personally following up on the inaction of the DOT and FAA.

Sullivan wrote, "Where was Kerry's sense of urgency? Where was his leadership? These are fair questions to ask of someone vying for Bush's job." It is the opinion of this writer that these are also fair questions for someone holding Bush*'s job. Let's hope someone can squeeze them in during Bush*'s 1 hour before the 911 commission.

[underpants]

102. Now THAT's reporting

Outstanding, seriously.

This illustrates how the same information can be spun in two different ways. Now if we had a viable healthy media that would be one of the headlines and news scrolls that people would see but alas we will probably see the Post's way of spinning it.

KERRY WARNED BUSH OF 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scream it from the rooftops.

[ParanoidPat]

108. Thanks, I call 'em as I see 'em.....

.....:evilgrin:

[LynzM]

113. Can I?

Reuse that to prove the point about how 'spin' affects the news? I have a few friends and family who could use the lesson! Excellent writing, IMHO...

[ParanoidPat]

114. I'd be honored!

Welcome to DU LynzM! By all means spread this around. :evilgrin: :toast:

[gristy]

122. nicely written

It is the opinion of this writer that these are also fair questions for someone holding Bush*'s job. Let's hope someone can squeeze them in during Bush*'s 1 hour before the 911 commission.

Always glad to see your posts, PP. Great stuff!

[Dr Fate]

128. Pat- how about sending an edited version of this to your local paper...

...this perspective needs to be on your editorial page and YOU need to write it...

[moondust]

97. Propaganda tabloid journalism.

Strictly for intellectual contortionists and numbskulls.

[wicket]

99. disgusting

n/t

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

101. Wow, the campaign season IS starting early, isn't it?

I would have thought the Bush campaign would save this type of shit until October, but I guess they want to get underway with every ludicrous smear they've got. Unbelievable. Even for them.

[LeinesRed]

103. Do they really want to play this game?

of who should have connected the dots?

[PaDUer]

137. They sure do want to play this game

at this time...because, they're trying to discredit Kerry because there's going to be another hit, and those elections are going to be history..OH, what a great man that W is! Puke!

[SKKY]

104. Someone help me find this TIME article...

There was an article in Time magazine shortly after the election fiasco that detailed the transition from Clinton to W. In the article, it was revealed that the Clinton Security Adviser told Condie Rice, "The majority of your president's term will be occupied by Usama Bin Laden." to which she replied, "We have an economy that's going into the toilet, I don't think he's concerned with UBL." or something very, very close to that. They've been cleaning up this mess they dropped since the beginning. Why else would they not want to grant the 9/11 commission another 2 months? They need time to spin the results which will undoubtedly slam Bu$h and his cronies. This thing about Kerry is absolutely, totally bogus. If things are this ugly now, what are we going to be hearing in October? Kerry likes kiddy porn? A new low by Faux News.

[SKKY]

106. Here's part of it, but it's not the whole article as I remember it...

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,333835,00.html

[theoceansnerves]

105. it's all the fault of

that damn liberal media! :eyes:

[Gothic Sponge]

110. *sigh*

Sadly, I bet this is only the start of their BS. Rove will open his bag of tricks soon. I can see the next 8 months are going to be fun.

[Postman]

109. he also killed Christ, sunk the Titanic and helped the "Japs" at Pearl.

he was also responsible for giving John Hinckley the gun to shoot Reagan.

[TrogL]

112. Wild shot in the dark

Was there any link between this in in terms of direct process or at least timing with Gore's attempts to do something about airport/aircraft security and its subsequent demise?

[SideshowScott]

116. Um Didnt the GOP turn down Clintons request for more terrorist preventon?

Funding? Hmm Funny how fox news will never say anything about that huh? Or the fact that Bush Ingored Clintons warning about Bin Ladin..Another fact swept under the rug by these so called reporters.

I knew FOX news was up to somthing when they had this guy who heckeld Kerry this morning and was treating him like a hero. Fox news makes me sick.. I guess i watch it the way you cant help but gawk at a car accedent.
Well GOOD I say! Fox news has made this an issue for the talking heads of the Rght wingers and now more facts about what THEY did will surface. And I know Kerry will have something to say about it.

[keithyboy]

130. Yes

Things are going to get interesting in this election campaign. There will be a lot of information that the media was hiding from the public that the Kerry campaign will be able to expose.

[David Zephyr]

118. Mobuto, We Witnessed the Fox "Story" This Morning Out Here.

We stood in front of the big screen with our coffee in hands and with our jaws dropped to the floor.

Unbelievable.

[keithyboy]

129. Kerry should call a special press conference to set the record straight!1

If it's a fight they want, it's a fight they should get. Once the facts are laid on the table the American people will be able to judge who really dropped the ball here. AND Kerry ought to call it what is really is, a cheap shot by a cheap RW media outlet that ought to be ashamed of themselves for using such an event as 9/11 to smear a vetern who is running for President. WHY ISN'T THE KERRY CAMPAIGN ALL OVER THIS? They are making me more angry than FOX! (not really)

[Zynx]

119. That's just messed up.

[demgrrrll]

120. Atrios has Hesiod linked with the original statement made by

Sullivan. Sullivan is so busted. He said at the time
that Kerry had done the appropriate thing.
<http://atrios.blogspot.com>

[Nancy Waterman]

121. Good find, demgrrrll!

This whole story just stinks.

[rumguy]

131. THAT DUDE CHANGED HIS STORY!!!!

It makes ya wonder what they are paying him....or what they promised him....

Fucking makes me sick to see this kind of garbage happen in my country...

[ParanoidPat]

138. I would not put it past this administration to have threatened him.....

.....for having gone outside official channels with the results of an official undercover investigation in a way that might have helped the terrorists. :(

If you're not with them, you're against them! :evilgrin:

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

123. Murdoch

is Australia's most embarrassing export, and belongs in a prison. Your Democratic Party needs an Anti-Defamation League urgently.

If the American voters know even less about your system of government than I do (hope not), this attack could be very effective.

Murdoch should never have been allowed to control public access to information in so many countries. I can (barely) tolerate media businessmen who pander to public stupidity to make money, but Murdoch is the opposite - he uses his empire to advance his "rich people's liberation" agenda. He couldn't do that and not go broke if competion still existed in the industry - of the few media outlets he doesn't control himself, not many do not collude with his agenda.

[freeforall]

124. WTF???

This is so over the top it's almost hilarious.

[question everything]

125. What about the Kennedy assassination? And the Bay of Pigs? WWII?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

127. Here's a better headline for them

FOX News Responsible for 9/11

I wonder how that would grab 'em?

[johnfunk]

132. BREAKING: FOX News smear of Kerry DEBUNKED.

BUSTED! One of the "whistleblowers" who is the source of this attack propagated by FOX News -- one Mr. Brian Sullivan -- said in an interview with NBC News on SPETEMBER 16, 2001:

...
HANSEN: Besides helping the TV journalists, Sullivan says he expressed his concerns to the FAA administrator's hotline. He also says he sent this letter to Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, a letter that now seems all too prophetic.
Mr. SULLIVAN: With the concept of jihad, do you think it would be difficult for a determined terrorist to get on a plane and destroy himself and all of the passengers? Think for a moment how vital the air transportation industry is to our overall economic well being as a nation. Think what the result would be of a coordinated attack which took down several domestic flights on the same day. The problem is that with our current screening system this is more than possible. Given time, considering current threats, it is almost likely.
HANSEN: Sullivan says Senator Kerry responded to his letter and asked the Department of Transportation's inspector general to look into the matter.
Mr. SULLIVAN: I think Senator Kerry did get it to the right people and that they were about to take the right action."

What prompted him to CHANGE HIS STORY?!?

More here.

[Zhade]

133. This is absurd!

I mean, hell, I don't like Kerry, but this is outrageous.

You want the perps, check the traitors in the White House! :grr:

[Catherine Vincent]

134. So they gave up on blaming Clinton?

The repukes will blame anybody but bush. Which is where the real fault lies.

[nomatrix]

139. Hart Rudman was handed to Bush

http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,561758,00.html

"We were warned. We were warned by some of the best minds in the United States that without a new emphasis on homeland security "Americans will likely die on American soil, possibly in large numbers".

-snip-

"Hart specifically mentioned the lack of readiness to respond to "a weapon of mass destruction in a highrise building".

-snip-

"Hearings were scheduled for the week of May 7. But the White House stymied the move. It did not want Congress to run ahead, not least with a report originated by a Democratic president and an ousted Republican speaker. On May 5, the administration announced that rather than adopting Hart-Rudman it was forming its own committee headed by Dick Cheney, the vice-president, who was expected to report in October. The hearings were cancelled.
"The administration actually slowed down response to the report when momentum was building in the spring," says Gingrich. Nobody puts any significance in the fact that Cheney's wife, Lynn, was a member of the commission who resigned over differences of view about the importance of China."

[nomatrix]

140. "The NY Times needs it's ass kicked"-Rudman

from the same link

"A number of commissioners visited the editorial boards of the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post. It was all to little avail. Network television news ignored the report; so did the serious evening news on public television. Only CNN did it justice. The New York Times and Wall Street Journal did not carry a line either of the report or the press conference. Boyd told me how he watched in disbelief as the New York Times reporter left before the presentation was over.

The rest of the national news coverage was fair, excellent in the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times, with a smattering of good stories in USA Today and the smaller and regional newspapers, using AP and Reuters. But what most astonished and then outraged the commissioners was that none of the major newspapers, except the Los Angeles Times briefly, offered any kind of platform or any kind of critical analysis or opinion. None of the network talk shows took it up; only the cable channels CNN and CNBC, briefly. Rather than sensational headlines, the report required elite opinion to engage in a sustained dialogue to probe, improve, explain and then press for action. The commissioners were particularly bewildered by the blackout at the Times and pitched an op-ed article signed by Hart and Rudman. The article was rejected.

Newspapers, by their nature, are bound to miss stories from time to time; but there was no attempt to catch up in the Times. The performance of the country's leading newspaper on the report is curious since it has distinguished itself over the years by giving prominence to Saddam Hussein's mischiefs and notable reports by Judy Miller, William Broad and Stephen Engelberg.

The commissioners were variously "dumbfounded" (Hart), "surprised" (Schlesinger), "stunned" (Gelb), and "appalled" (Rudman). "The New York Times," says Rudman, "deserves its ass kicked." Gingrich is more rueful: "I was very saddened. I thought in particular for the New York Times and the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal not to give it really serious coverage was a significant failure in providing educated citizens with an important report. And frankly, other than homeland security, they still haven't gone back and contemplated the scale of change we're describing."

[JoeMemphis]

141. So Kerry told the Bush Administration about this?

This needs to be shouted from the rooftops.