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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:20 AM Original message |
Pelosi Makes Her Case: A Majority Is 51 Votes |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. Well, uh, yeah, it's about time someone said that... |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. evidently kiss repub fannies is NOT an effective governing strategy lol nt |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. If the VP is there to break a 50-50 tie vote in the Senate, then it's obvious that |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Not really. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
131. Thanks for the corrective. |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #131 |
147. When it comes to a vote on cloture, it requires 3/5 of the senate, not 3/5 of those voting. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
108. Tie breaking votes by the VP used to be regular events |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #108 |
137. Not true. Gore and Cheney broke several ties. |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
148. I believe you are misreading the chart |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
2. Dems wouldn't be in so much problems nationally if the Senate had it's act together |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. Some states refuse to elect any Dem other than a Purple Snake. Or, so they say. |
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SomeGuyInEagan (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
140. The *COUNTRY* wouldn't be in so much trouble if the Dems in Senate had their act together n/t |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
4. But it doesn't matter what Dems SAY if they're not willing to DO anything about it... |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. How about changing the rules to only need a simple majority |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Sure, if they can. How many votes does it take to change the rules? nt |
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Demoiselle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. They can set new rules at the beginning of the next session. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Then they definitely should do it! nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. They can set new rules at any time, unless a Senate rule says differently--and they can change that |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
74. It doesn't work that way in the Senate like in the House. Since |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
91. Link to support the 66 vote claim, please. |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #91 |
121. Two very different things. Cloiture takes only 60. Changing the |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #121 |
135. It takes only a simple majority to change the rule |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. But wishing it so doesn't make it so - These are Sen Byrd's sacred |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Did you read the Cato Institute article? |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. But did you read the Senate Rules? Rule 5 is that the Senate is |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. Res ipsa, they did not do it |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. The Constitution is silent on how many votes then need to pass |
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BobMackenze (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Republicans almost Nuked the Filibuster in 2005 but Democrats caved |
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Demoiselle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
122. Then force them to filibuster. Nothing's going to get done anyway. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
129. That is |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. 51 |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
128. They |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. They can do whatever they choose to do. |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
72. It takes 66 votes (2/3) to change Senate rules. n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
89. Please see Reply # 91. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
125. How many votes to change the rule that says it takes 67 votes? |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #125 |
141. That's Senate Rule #22 - so 67 votes n/t |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #141 |
150. Seems kind of circular somehow. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
83. I wish the Democrats would just start kicking ass... what do they have to loose at |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Guess they're worried about losing elections - but imo they'd have a better chance... |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
87. YES! That is the enduring truth. History reports actions, and not arguments. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
5. How about telling those like Senator Bayh they are not influential leaders? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
45. It's a sin to tell a lie, even a lie to the likes of Bayh. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
6. The Dems finally are realizing they were elected to move forward with change? n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. They know what they were elected for. They also know they need money to get re-elected and, if |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Absolutely True!!! n/t |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
7. Heavens to Betsy! She's on to something! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
8. It's weird how Pelosi has really stepped up on this and healthcare. nt |
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bc3000 (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Talking is stepping up? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
113. If "the Senate bill stole the crown," that makes the Senate bill the king of crap. At least the |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. I think she is probably truly frustrated, but also, |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
55. I think the Progressive Caucus may be the reason. She cannot pass laws without them. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
9. republicans sure as sh*t never needed 60 votes! |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. +1 |
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ffr (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. start labeling the GOP as un-American |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
56. Of course they did. The 60 vote rules were the same 2000 to 2006 as they are now. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
79. the *written* rules were the same, sure. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Link to support your statement that the Republicans almost never needed sixty votes 2000-2006? |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
95. links: |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. Those links say something different from what you originally claimed. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. no, there's been a *big* jump since republicans lost the senate |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Maybe, but your original claim was "almost never." Keep trying to move that goalpost, though. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. oh, so sorry! hyperbole in politics, my goodness! |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #79 |
133. because our leaders are bought and paid for by republican wealth? |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
104. It all depends on whether the other side has the stomach to fight |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. there's not much "exhaust" involved, unless you count republican speeches |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. I think a 2/3 vote may be needed to invoke cloture if a Senate rule change is at issue. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
119. + 10,000 nt |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
13. Ah ha. The penny dropped. The Senate dems are AFRAID of winning HRC. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Pretty much |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
58. Single payer or a strong public option would help the job situation, as well as the big picture |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
14. her frustration with the senate |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
15. If they're smart and pass a bill with meaningful reform, not the present |
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groundloop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Their hands are tied right now, there's only one possible course of action |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
18. Cool move, Pelosi. |
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Flying Dream Blues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. Finally...let all the cowards stand up and be counted |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
102. The Senate passed a HCR bill with 60 votes on December 24, 2009. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
21. Wow .... that must mean all the Lieberman crap was BS???? |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. So what?? |
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vegiegals (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
23. LISTEN UP HARRY!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Deleted message |
liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
25. Dear lord, the Dems just discovered math? |
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Moostache (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
27. Amen! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
63. Can we PLEASE stop equating male genitalia with strength and courage,especially |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
120. +1. "Spine" "backbone" and "guts" work nicely |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
29. I don't know how I feel about this |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
31. WTG Pelosi it's just basically undemocratic EOM, and Harry is allowing the people to lose a voice |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
65. The Senate rules may be undemocratic, but they are not unconstitutional. Pls. see Reply # 36. |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
34. Pelosi has been pretty consistently on the right side of things. Good work. nt |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
35. Thank you, Nancy |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
36. Either Nancy has not read the Constiution lately, or she is very confident no one else has. |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. She's referring to using reconciliation. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. A "constitutional majority" has nothing to do with budget reconciliation. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. But the entire HCR bill cannot be passed by reconciliation alone. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. That has nothing to do with my post, which was about Nancy's misdescribing the Constitution. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. Sorry my friend, I meant that reply to be to the OP and I screwed up. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. No apology necessary. Posting in the wrong spot is easy, especially if you |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
94. The Constitution authorizes the Vice President to break a "tie." |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. You are assuming that the Constitution requires at least a majority to pass legislation. I disagree |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #101 |
123. They might as well force the Republicans to make a scene and really |
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W_HAMILTON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
39. Hah. |
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libodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
43. K&R |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
44. Please remember that Democrats have used the filibuster to block Rethug bills. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Republicans have left Dems no choice. Either they nuke the republicans now, |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. I think you may have overlooked a possiblity. |
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susanwy (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
90. Rightttttt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. The average voter does not need knowledge of the Senate rules. Both now and while campaigning, |
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susanwy (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
115. Look, the base knows exactly who stands in the way |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
152. I hear you, but I believe that the majority of progressives are too well informed |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Yep, and since the vote that makes filibustering so easy, the filibuster street goes both ways often |
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Ed76638 (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
46. Are we finally going to bring some fight |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
73. That may depend. |
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pjt7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
49. 50 votes is the majority w/ |
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Ed76638 (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
51. Interesting.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
75. Specter switched sides bc polls showed decisively that he could not possibly win the Pub primary. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
54. looks like it takes a lady to get things done.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
77. I don't think gender or genitalia or orientation has a thing to do with it (no pun intended). |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
57. 51 votes was good enough for * to decrease taxes for rich and hell knows the GOP won't |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
86. Did they have to resort to budget reconciliation, or was there no challenge from Dems? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Here is some interesting info (IT'S BEEN USED MANY TIMES IN THE PAST): |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Thank you for all that info and the link. |
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Hawaii Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
59. Clarence Thomas got confirmed by a 52-48 vote.. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
99. Yep, that was one potententially politically deadly race card he pulled after the meal break. |
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vegiegals (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #99 |
139. I remember that day well. So angry and sad but I knew it was |
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Greyskye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
60. If they 'filibuster', MAKE them FILIBUSTER |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. +10 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
100. AFAIK, that, too, would require a change in a Senate rule, though. And, before that could |
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Blue Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
61. Duh, OK boss |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
62. I will believe it when I see it. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
66. Not in the House. |
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AzNick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
67. We NEVER had 60 votes ANY-FVCK1NG-WAY!!! |
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Phlem (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
68. Really Nancy!!!??? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
107. ..... |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
76. LOL, when is the last time a Senator gave a rat's ass about |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
109. Realistically, she probably has more clout now with her bully pulpit about Senate rules |
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Clear Blue Sky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
78. Yes she is correct, but |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
110. I'd rather Democrats be able (and accountable) to legislate like Democrats when they are in |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
126. There is nothing in the Constitution about 60 votes being needed |
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Clear Blue Sky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-13-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #126 |
151. True. My bad. I looked it up and you are quite correct. |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
84. She's dreaming |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #84 |
114. Maybe she's hoping that people like you and me will back her up by |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #114 |
124. Yes. |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
85. About time! n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
93. Give the Vice President a "threshold" vote. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #93 |
116. Please see Reply # 100. |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
97. Passing legislation and ending a Filibuster are two different things. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
118. Not sure what diff it makes what Pelosi thinks. The Senate is pretty muched owned by CorpAmerica.nt |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
127. Go sweet, sweet Nancy....My San Francisco Home girl! |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-11-10 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
132. Sorry. Dems will be a minority someday, and then we're fucked. |
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leftcoastie (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
134. It's about time... |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
136. k&r'd |
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The Animator (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-12-10 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
138. If we are going to do an end run around the Rs because they won't work with us... |
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