Spain asks Venezuela to explain alleged rebel link

[pampango]

Source: BBC

Spain has demanded an explanation from Venezuela over claims that it assisted two rebel groups which plotted to kill Colombia's President Alvaro Uribe. Spanish PM Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said that Madrid would "act in accordance with that explanation".

In a 26-page indictment on Monday, Spanish judge Eloy Velasco said an investigation launched in 2008 had turned up evidence "that demonstrates Venezuelan governmental co-operation in the illicit collaboration between Farc and Eta".

He said Eta and Farc had been collaborating since 1993, and accused Arturo Cubillas Fontan of being a key link.

Mr Fontan lives in Venezuela and has held a job in the government of President Hugo Chavez - and may still have one - the judge wrote. He is also a key member of Eta, running its operations in Venezuela and the region, the indictment said.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8544476.stm

[naaman fletcher]

1. Perhaps its a mistranslation.

And besides, don't you know that there are bad things going on in the US? Why do you care about what goes on with the elected leader of Venezuela?

/sarcasm

[Mika]

3. The ETA and FARC are dissidents simply trying to speak out against the government.

Just like the US paid "dissidents" in Cuba, who are trying to create change in the government.

:sarcasm:

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[Judi Lynn]

63. Every time the real left in Colombia has attempted to run someone for high office he was assassinate...

It's been going on for ages.

They are left with no voice at all.

Damned sad, isn't it? Some democracy they've got there.

[JackRiddler]

5. Do you care about what goes on with the "elected" leader of Colombia?

Would you like to compare the designated enemy Venezuela to Colombia, the ally receiving seven US bases? How do they compare on living conditions, human rights record, functioning of democracy and civil institutions? Has either country seen political murders sanctioned by the government in the last 11 years?

[naaman fletcher]

8. I don't like Uribe,

And I don't understand why you Chavez fans insist that you have to be fans of either one or the other.

[JackRiddler]

34. Sadly that is the choice Latin American countries are forced into...

by the hegemonic power to the north.

They can bend to the will, power and force of the United States government and the interests it represents. Or they can go nationalist, which usually means the country coalescing around a strong leader if it's going to withstand the onlaught that has always come. Simple liberal democracy won't be given the breathing room it needs. Countries that can't gather sufficient strength won't have that chance regardless. They can be like Venezuela, and resist the hegemon, or they can be like Colombia, and accept its seven bases and crazy drug war. The hegemon doesn't give a choice. Among the greater Caribbean islands, they can be like Cuba, or they can be forced to be like Haiti. (Puerto Rico is the exception there as a US territory, and its history is hardly undamaged if you read up on it.) A country need do very little to be considered non-conformist. There have been so many invasions and coups to this day.

[bitchkitty]

80. That's some imagination you've got there.

I hope you'll point me to the myriad of examples of Chavez fans insisting that you have to be a fan of either one or the other.

Or - you could just admit that you're lying and save us both time.

[boppers]

50. "receiving seven US bases"? Somebody's been lying to you.

The bases already existed. Be careful what media you listen to, there's some outrageous propaganda floating around, much of it lies.

[Wilms]

68. So they're taking on the seven bases? What frame do you find acceptable?

Were they US occupied bases?

Spin, spin, spin.

[boppers]

78. The US has been granted access to existing runways and buildings.

Some folks want to "play" this into things it's clearly not.

Hence, being liars.

[Wilms]

79. Oh. So they can fly in and use the bathroom?

OK. Then sure. Why all the fuss? :shrug:





















:eyes:

[UTUSN]

75. K&R #4 !1 n/t

[dipsydoodle]

2. Does it matter ?

Uribe is finished now anway. Good fucking riddance.

[naaman fletcher]

4. So I guess you think conspiracy to commit murder charges..

Shouldn't be brought against anyone who plots a murder but later doesn't carry it out?

Should countries not defend their sovereignty? Is it OK for the US to plot with right wing groups to carry out murders in Colombia and El Salvador if the murders are not carried out for one reason or another?

Or is this just an issue of you supporting Chavez no matter what he does?

[Mika]

6. Then, to be consistent, you should object to US paid "dissidents" in Cuba who aid and abet ....

.... Miami terrorist groups like Alpha 66, CANF, Commandos F-4, etc.

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[naaman fletcher]

7. I do object to it. Do you object to what Chavez did here? /nt

[Mika]

9. Duly noted & bookmarked.

I don't know the actual details of the story, other than the faux nooz style of "some people say" swill in the article.

:shrug:

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[naaman fletcher]

10. Figures.

There is nothing Chavez can do that will ever get you guys to be critical of him.

[Mika]

11. Huh, what? WTF is up with the "you guys"?

Some people say that Chavez ran over my dog!

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[naaman fletcher]

12. you guys..

meaning this group of you guys who will defend anything and everything Chavez does.

[Mika]

15. Not me.

I think you're confusing my posts in support of the Cuban Revolution and the good works of Cuban people with some Venezuela threads (which I do not participate in very much - unlike many of the knee-jerk 'dicktater-fer-life' anti Chavez posters here, I try sticking to posting to topics that I know something about).

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[naaman fletcher]

16. Fair enough, I apologize for making a false assumption. /nt

[dipsydoodle]

18. Not really

Lets just wait and see "the evidence" if it ever materialises. I'd say the issue here is Spain v ETA and Chavez is a red herring.

[Judi Lynn]

39. Love that herring! n/t

[Mika]

55. A seemingly endless supply.

:hi:

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[ro1942]

32. Anybody fighting global capitalism is good with me

[Bacchus39]

19. and we know of course there aren't any real dissidents in Cuba

they are all paid by the US governemnt and support Miami right wing terrorist groups

[scottsoperson]

21. so you think castro is

a popular cuban dictator?

[Bacchus39]

22. a dictator, yes. difficult to judge how popular he is in Cuba

although I am sure he is very popular. 50 years of propaganda isn't easily washed away. he is quite popular on DU too.

[Mika]

51. B39, You know I have never said that.

How many times have I told you that there are opposition groups in Cuba who operate freely - from tea-party type loons to anarchists to born-again to Trotskyite groups.

The home grown, non US funded, organized domestic opposition groups are referred to as "opposition parties" in Cuba. They operate quite freely, although they aren't that popular because they are mostly anti union or evangelical reform groups or Milton Friedman deregulation/privatization capitalists. The union parties enjoy the majority of seats in the Cuban National Assembly. Every profession and trade in Cuba is represented by their own independent unions.

The term "dissident" is RW media newspeak usually referring to those on the US payroll who are aiding and abetting the declared enemy of Cuba (the US gov, that seeks and funds the overthrow of sovereign Cuba's government), which is as against the law in Cuba as it is here.


Been there. Seen it.

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[dipsydoodle]

24. Is it OK for the US to plot.....................

Patrice Lumumba :

Allen Dulles, who was then the C.I.A. director, supported by other ranking officials in the Eisenhower Administration, concluded, ''We are faced with a person who is a Castro or worse. Lumumba has been bought by the Communists.'' Dulles instructed the C.I.A. station chief in the Congo that ''Lumumba's removal must be an urgent and prime objective . . . and a high priority of our covert action.''

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/02/opinion/l-cia-war-against-lumumba-illustrated-errors-of-covert-policy-855987.html?pagewanted=1

[Judi Lynn]

28. Oh, but of COURSE, dipsydoodle. It's only right for blindingly white people to bump off leftists! nt

[cali]

31. dishonest dog shit. like anyone here is defending that

making shit up like that is contemptible.

[naaman fletcher]

30. No it's not.

But you seem to think its ok for Chavez.

Let me clue you in on something: You do not have to choose between Chavez and Uribe, or between Chavez and the bad things the US has done. You can, in fact, dislike all of them.

[Judi Lynn]

33. Point out dipsydoodle's approval of a plot against Uribe.

You're so anxious to attack him you've gotten well ahead of yourself.

Overcome your kneejerk reactions, get a grasp of your bearings, control yourself.

Dipsydoodle is not a bomb-tossing maniac. Never has been. Don't try to talk down to him.

Chances are he's far brighter, better informed than you.

[naaman fletcher]

36. He refuses to condemn it,

Like you, he refuses to condemn anything Chavez does.

[Judi Lynn]

38. How wildly pathetic. It is only alleged, and you damned well know it.

Grow up.

[naaman fletcher]

40. Yeah right,

You are the pathetic one, as if nobody ever comments on anything unless a ruling that it happened comes down. Of course, this was a judge who said it...

[EFerrari]

45. Judges passed Plessy v. Ferguson, too.

[Name removed]

48. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[EFerrari]

57. You have yet to have a point to prove. Simply reposting hit pieces

day after day is not making a point or not one that would please you, anyway.

[northzax]

43. Allen Dulles?

didn't Allen Dulles die in 1969? what's his connection to this case, exactly?

[dipsydoodle]

49. Reply #24 was in response to reply #4

I can only assume you didn't follow the thread.

[AlphaCentauri]

47. LOL, Where in the article the court is accusing Chavez of the plot?

[scottsoperson]

13. chavez doesn't like

president obama.

[EFerrari]

14. Chavez never called Obama a facilitator of terrorism

as Obama called Chavez with no basis whatsoever and Chavez lent his support to candidate Obama.

On the other hand, the Latin American community saw how Obama's administration handled Honduras, where today the coupsters are still kidnapping, raping, torturing and murdering.

[Bacchus39]

17. sounds like Obama was right doesn't it??? n/t

s

[scottsoperson]

20. chavez lent his support

to obama, and obama asked for that support? are you kidding? during the campaign? do you own a plane?

[Judi Lynn]

23. As you should have understood upon reading, EFerrari DIDN'T say Obama

asked for support from Chavez.

Take time to grasp what you attempt to read.

[EFerrari]

41. I'm sorry, is English not your first language?

I said Chavez was on record supporting an Obama win during out election.

[Bacchus39]

44. no, you said this. its right there in your post

"and Chavez lent his support to candidate Obama."

and the poster merely questioned whether Obama asked for his support. that's what a question mark does, ask a question, not make a statement. and Obama did not ask for Chavez' support.

[U4ikLefty]

70. no, you are wrong.

The poster did not "merely question", but implied something.

"Are you kidding? during the campaign? do you own a plane?".

The above were not meant to be answered.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

25. Keyword here:

"alleged".

[dipsydoodle]

26. +1

Too right.

[Judi Lynn]

29. Absolutely.

http://www.cbc.ca.nyud.net:8090/gfx/images/news/photos/2007/03/11/bush-colombia-cp-161514.jpg http://vivirlatino.com.nyud.net:8090/i/2008/12/46194.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com.nyud.net:8090/imageserve/03L96KI00Bh2x/610x.jpg

Too odd. Too small. You'd have to throw him back in the water.

[wayne fontes]

58. WOW

Uribe does look like a weasel. He couldn't get elected in this country regardless of his politics.

[Judi Lynn]

66. Right-wingers are all so damned crawly creepy, when you get a good long look at them!

http://www.hurriyetusa.com.nyud.net:8090/haberler_foto4/bush_uribe.gif http://www.danielmontejo.com.nyud.net:8090/Picture%20Gallery/frontpagepix/uribefrontal.JPG

"It's Uribe. Alvaro Uribe."

http://www.bnamericas.com.nyud.net:8090/ten/images/alvaroUribe.gif

http://narcosphere.narconews.com.nyud.net:8090/userfiles/McCainUribe.jpg

[Mika]

46. Expounded ver 2.0: "It is alleged that somebody said"

Cubanet style. :hi:

[Judi Lynn]

27. The goose has laid another golden egg: they got this info. from the laptop

they claim belonged to Paul Reyes when they killed him a couple of years ago.

It keeps growing, and growing, and growing...... It's self-renewing.

They find new stuff every day to implicate almost every leftist in Latin America. How vast IS this laptop mother lode, after all?

Venezuela rejects assassination plot links
Venezuela rejected as "unacceptable" charges by a Spanish judge that it cooperated with Colombian and Basque guerrilla groups plotting to assassinate Colombia's president.

In a foreign ministry statement, Caracas said it "became aware, via the press, of the indictment issued by a Spanish judge, in which the accusations are unacceptable and politically motived."

Earlier Monday a Spanish judge charged six members of the Basque separatist group ETA and seven members of the leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) with involvement in the plot to kill Colombia's President Alvaro Uribe and other Colombian officials.

Judge Eloy Velasco based the case largely on information found in the computer of Raul Reyes, the FARC's former number two who was killed in a Colombian military operation in Ecuador in March 2008.

The ruling alleged "Venezuelan government cooperation in the illegal collaboration between FARC and ETA."

More:
http://www.expatica.com/es/news/spanish-rss-news/venezuela-rejects-assassination-plot-links_27474.html

Who would ever stoop to conspire to murder a pasty little narco-trafficker, death squad-connected creep like Uribe? History itself will tkae care of that, although it took decades before other countries were able to start prosecuting their own rabid right-wing mass murdering idiots.

[JackRiddler]

35. YARG! Not the fracking laptop again!!!

What's next, do they bring back the Niger forgeries for another round?

[EFerrari]

42. Some day my prince will come.

:rofl:

[Mika]

54. LOL.

You have to start here ..

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[Judi Lynn]

67. Oh, good one!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/_FxCl-zDjIOQ/SDJemMO04MI/AAAAAAAACcs/rUcWogkZkRI/s400/fake.jpg

[naaman fletcher]

52. Has the laptop been proved a forgery?

just wondering..

[dipsydoodle]

53. How can a laptop be a forgery ?

It's either a laptop or not a laptop.

They look like this :



May I suggest a course in english as a second langauge.

[naaman fletcher]

56. Ha ha, you are a funny guy. nt.

[dipsydoodle]

72. Was only pulling your leg.

Nothing personal.

[EFerrari]

59. After that little caper, INTERPOL stopped working with Colombia.

You do the math.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

65. Math is un-Biblical, and therefore un-American, and therefore Communist.

You see, it says π is almost 5 percent more than what the Bible says!

[Wilms]

69. I think the record shows that they can't verify that it wasn't messed with.

I think they'll avoid using it in court.

But in the court of the AP...

[fascisthunter]

37. Lol...

[bitchkitty]

81. Ah, the sacred laptop

It's like the loaves and fishes, never runs out of big fat juicy turds for the fascists to play with.

[Judi Lynn]

60. Just as the U.S. has always harbored all Latam right-wing terrorists,

and Caribbean death squad leaders used against Aristide, many of them CIA connected, here's a new one we didn't even know was holed up here until reading this article:

US protects Bolivian terrorist
Federico Fuentes
27 February 2010

The US authorities continue to harbour Branko Marinkovic, a leader of the Bolivian right-wing opposition accused of financing a terrorist cell to assassinate Bolivian President Evo Morales.

Evidence has now come to light that the CIA was receiving information from contacts close to the very same terrorist cell.

On April 16, 2009, Bolivian police stormed one of the rooms in the Hotel Las Americas in Santa Cruz to break up a group of foreign and Bolivian mercenaries who were part of a plan to assassinate the Bolivian president and vice president.

Bolivian attorney Marcel Soza revealed on February 11 that evidence obtained from the hotel room showed that Hungarian ex-military intelligence officer Istvan Belovai not only provided reports to the terrorist cell, but also sent information directly to the CIA.

Belovai’s reports were used by the anti-Morales group, the Supreme Council, which financed the paramilitary group’s activities. Marinkovic, a large landowner, was one of the leaders of the Supreme Council.

In 2008, Marinkovic was instrumental in the violent campaign waged by opposition forces in Bolivia’s east that aimed to overthrow Morales. He also heads up FULIDE, a fascist group whose members carry swastikas on their marches.

Despite strong evidence that he personally funded the terrorist cell to the tune of US$200,000, he has been living freely in the US since July 2009. He joins the long list of terrorists involved in campaigns against the Cuban, Venezuelan and Bolivian governments that are being harboured by the US.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2010/828/42590

http://graphics8.nytimes.com.nyud.net:8090/images/2008/09/26/world/27bolivia.190.jpg http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr.nyud.net:8090/Portals/0/images/2009-04-19/Novosti/BRANKO%20MARINKOVIC2_thumb.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/_6y6ovRpomEs/SYG2DusIVAI/AAAAAAAAAYY/YLCoqOkSEh8/s400/daylife.jpg

Croatian-Bolivian Branko Marinkovic

http://tenpercent.files.wordpress.com.nyud.net:8090/2008/08/sc_juven.jpg http://www.stratfor.com.nyud.net:8090/files/mmf/0/f/0f8eac6a9e5b83d9612f043367661023241c95cb_two_column.jpg http://www.hollow-hill.com.nyud.net:8090/sabina/images/bolivian-thugs.jpg

Branko Marinkovic's white separatist
shock troops, Santa Cruz Youth Union

They beat indigenous Bolivians with those spiked clubs, by the way,
as well as kicking the holly bejesus out of them, sometimes during
their invasions of indigenous neighborhoods.

[EFerrari]

61. Our tax dollars at work.

:grr:

[Judi Lynn]

62. And our hypocrisy, as well!

:grr: :nuke:

[Mika]

64. I want to print this article and read it walking along Miami's Orlando Bosch Ave.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Orlando+Bosch+%2Bterrorism&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=



:hi:

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[ronnie624]

76. Interesting.

The corporate media establishment's choices of subject matter are very instructive.

[EFerrari]

71. Spain needs to STFU before it gets hit with reparation claims

up and down the continent. :)

[dipsydoodle]

73. I'm still trying to figure out

how come they managed to successfully lay claim to the gold found on that sunken galleon.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1738445,00.html since been found in Spain's favour.

[citizen snips]

74. Los Pepes needs to be reestablished in order to take out these suspects

and to send Chavez and Farc a message.

[Peace Patriot]

77. I suspect Uribe's about to go the way of Diem--he knows too much--and this is the cover story:

"'Chavez' did it."

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And I think now we can understand why Chavez interrupted Zapatero's speech, at the LatAm meeting some while back (the one where the 'King' told Chavez to shut up). The point Chavez was trying to make was that Zapatero, a purported socialist, was covering up the previous (rightwing, Bushwhack) Spanish government's support for the violent rightwing military coup attempt against Chavez in 2002.

This point is relevant now, if what Spain is doing here is helping to create the CIA's cover story for getting rid of Uribe.

Unfortunately, we are reduced to "reading entrails" and attending to "signs and omens," in trying to figure out what the CIA is up to. This is true of most of what our government is doing, but it is particularly true of CIA activities. Leon Panetta* just visited Bogota last week--the week that the Colombian court decided against a referendum that might have permitted Uribe to run for a third term (in Colombia's die-if-you-vote-wrong election system). My guess is that Panetta was there to ensure that ruling and to designate Uribe's successor--former Defense Minister Manuel Santos (the 'Donald Rumsfeld' of South America). That's who the Pentagon/CIA want running Colombia, for various reasons, the scariest one being the Pentagon's war plan against Venezuela. But what to do with Uribe, who--considering that he is being dumped--might possibly reveal where "some of the bodies are buried" that might further sully Bush Jr's reputation and, by extension, that of the U.S.--and the Pentagon in particular.

Literally, buried bodies.

See these links on the 2,000 bodies found in a recent mass grave, with grave dates (but no names) of 2005 through 2009, in La Macarena, Colombia, a region of special planning and activity by the U.S. military (and apparently also by the U.K. military):

The La Macarena massacre (includes a description of, and links to docs about, U.S. ops in La Macarena)
http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1303

The UK military connection
http://www.tribunemagazine.co.uk/2010/02/04/silence-on-british-army-link-to-colombian-mass-grave/

The methods of this Colombian military "pacification" of La Macarena--mass murder of many local activists who oppose the U.S.-funded rightwing, narco-thug government (union leaders, human rights workers, community organizers, peasant farmer leaders, etc.), in order to terrorize the local population, then installation of a puppet local government with military/police support, while the military moves to the next "pacification" area--is very similar to the methods that the Pentagon is currently using in Afghanistan. You can read about this Washington-designed "pacification" program for La Macarena at the links at the CIP site (if you can stand to read Rand Corp-type bureaucratise without the page during blood red before your eyes).

My guess is that La Macarena was "turkey shoot" practice for Afghanistan--and that this and many other Bush Junta "bodies" are buried in Colombia. Panetta was a member of Daddy Bush's "Iraq (really Iran) Study Group," and one of his jobs is to clean up Junior's bloody trail. Uribe and Junior were pals. And the Bush Junta had carte blanche to do anything they wanted in Colombia.

The defense of the new U.S/Colombia military agreement has been that it merely confirms prior arrangements--U.S. military use of SEVEN bases in Colombia, including U.S. spy and fighter planes and their pilots, U.S. Navy ships and their crews (at ports), U.S. military use of ALL civilian airports and other infrastructure, and (if this number can be believed) some 1,600 U.S. soldiers and U.S. 'contractors' (described hauntingly as "just a few military advisers"), and--the retroactive kicker that they may really be after--total diplomatic immunity for all U.S. personnel including 'contractors' in Colombia, no matter what they do (or have done) in Colombia. Immunity signed, sealed and delivered by Uribe.

While it's anybody's guess how far the U.S. military has gone in installing itself in Colombia, and how much further it has to go, to achieve "full spectrum" military capabilities "throughout the region" in order to deal with drug trafficking (har-har), "terrorism" and "anti-U.S. governments" (as laid out in a USAF document uncovered by Evo Golinger), total diplomatic immunity for U.S. soldiers and U.S. 'contractors' evidently had not been put into writing, prior to this agreement. That may be part of the reason for the secrecy with which this agreement was discussed and signed. It is trying to put the U.S. military out of the reach of Colombian courts and of course beyond the reach of aggrieved relatives of the slain (or victims of torture or other crimes), where U.S. personnel may have been involved in the crimes.

I admit that I'm "reading entrails" here. But it has struck me as curious that the U.S. military could already be occupying Colombia--at SEVEN bases, with "full spectrum" military capabilities--as thoroughly as it occupied South Vietnam in the early stages of that war, without so much as a blink from Congress. But that is what they are saying--that is the defense of this agreement. And whether we can believe that or not doesn't matter so much (except as to gaging the timing of Pentagon/CIA war plans) as WHY they are defending it this way. Is it an endrun around Congress? (Doesn't this agreement have to be ratified? Is their strategy saying that it was already ratified?). Or is it something else? My guess is that it's the immunity clause--that it hadn't been formalized. And the importance of this can only be grasped by understanding the U.S. role at La Macarena. Was it just planning and funding the "pacification" program? Or was it also implementing the "pacification" program, possibly as "practice" for Afghanistan?

One other thing about this agreement: It was signed (for President Obama) by the bad Bushwhack ambassador to Colombia, Wm. Brownfield, who is still in place. Brownfield would likely be closely involved in whatever horrible crap the U.S. has been doing in Colombia (and South America, generally). They kept this agreement secret from the Colombian people, the Colombian legislature and the other leaders of the region (who were not even warned of the announcement, let alone consulted). One other reason for the secrecy is that it clearly violates Colombian sovereignty. The U.S. and Colombia have likely been proceeding illegally in this and many respects. Uribe has been the willing tool of the Bushwhacks, in this, and possibly signed the agreement under duress (trying to save himself). That is one possible explanation for his subsequent conduct--he acted like a guilty man (refused to face the UNASUR meeting's questions about the agreement; didn't show up; later flew around to meet with other leaders individually to "explain" it). But now that Brownfield has gotten Uribe's signature on this agreement, his usefulness may be--or clearly is--at an end. Would he be so foolish as to try to blackmail the CIA with what he knows? Will they off him just because of what he knows--and, as this story out of Spain suggests--frame Chavez for it? I think Uribe is a very inconvenient person to the U.S., at the moment. What is the CIA's plan for dealing with an ex-puppet who knows too much? Will they release the "dogs" within Colombia to go after him for his many crimes? Do they trust him to keep his lip zipped? Will he end up in posh accommodations in Palm Beach? Also, how will Uribe being removed affect the CIA's cocaine revenues out of Colombia?

A lot of questions--few answers. But one "entrail" that is sometimes readable are 'news' articles like this, prepping a story line for later events. And the BBCons can be quite as bad as the Associated Pukes, et al, at copying and pasting memos from the CIA on Latin America. (Also, keep in mind that the U.K. military may have also been involved at La Macarena).

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*(Panetta is an old CIA hand, believe me--despite the cover story that Obama had appointed a novice outsider to repair the damage to the CIA inflicted by the Bush Junta/CIA war. That story line was immediately shut down, and Panetta sailed through the Senate confirmation, because he was NOT an "inexperience" outsider. And, as Panetta was a member of Daddy Bush's ISG, we can surmise that he is doing "old guard" CIA work, such as cleaning up after Junior, as well as bringing the "competents"--the "professionals"--back into power within the CIA. It is this group--the ISG--which I believe got rid of Rumsfeld in 2007. They may have saved us nuclear armageddon in the Middle East--nuking Iran--but we and others now have to suffer from their more sophisticated, "professional" methods of achieving world domination.)

[Judi Lynn]

82. The accusation that links to Chávez with ETA and the FARC is not self-sustaining

The accusation that links to Chávez with ETA and the FARC is not self-sustaining
In an impressive and well coordinated smear campaign, the Spanish corporate media has launched a preemptive strike against President Hugo Chávez. The print media included Público, El País, ABC, El Mundo, La Razón, Cadena Ser, COPE, Libertad Digital as well as the TV Channels.

The media campaign then spread world-wide to the BBC, CNN, Fox News and of course the internet was flooded with this explosive story. As usual, the finger of guilt was pointed at Venezuela and President Chávez in particular.

The devil is in the details and the following text shows how the media as well as the Spanish Judge concerned, have worked up yet another attack on the Bolivarian revolution with virtually no real evidence to support such accusations.

The first question one must ask is that if the judge indicted 13 members of ETA and FARC in absentia and Venezuela was involved in a criminal conspiracy, why are there no members of the Venezuelan government named or indicted? Read the following text and you will discover why this is the case.

Acting like a well-oiled machine the media published information in unison cut from the same cloth which formed the basis of the indictment of the judge of the Spanish Supreme Court, Eloy Velasco. Without any credible proof, Velasco accuses the Venezuelan government of cooperating in alleged joint actions of the FARC and ETA. The “evidence” comes from the computer of FARC leader, Raúl Reyes, who was assassinated during the violent Colombian incursion into Ecuador almost two years ago.

The computer in the hands of the Colombian authorities survived a missile attack which killed several people in the encampment and, by chance, confirmed all the arguments of President Alvaro Uribe to enable him to increase his bellicose internal campaign. Strange as it may sound, the “magic bomb resistant” computer has never been shown in public.

In July 2006 IT experts from Ecuador’s Polytechnic University determined that the computer had been manipulatedwhen the Colombian military stole it from Ecuadorian territory. “When accessing the information in the computer between March 1 -3 2008, the legal procedures were not adhered to”. In addition, and according to a statement by the National IT Director of the Ecuadorean Attorney General’s Office, Santiago Acuario, “from a legal and technical standpoint the information contained in the computer of “Raúl Reyes” does not have any judicial weight since it was obtained in violation of legal norms applicable in Ecuador”.

The possibility that the computer in the hands of the Colombians did not belong to the assassinated guerrilla commander is great since not even Interpol could confirm to whom the computer belonged.

More:
http://www.aporrea.org/medios/n152117.