Poland was 'taken for a ride' about Iraq's WMD: President

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040318/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_poland_weapons&cid=1514&ncid=1480

WARSAW (AFP) - Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski said that his country had been "taken for a ride" about the alleged existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. snip


"That they deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride," Kawsniewski said Thursday.


He argued however that it made no sense to pull US-led coalition troops out of Iraq.

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[maddezmom]

1. perhaps another world leader that would prefer Kerry? n/t

[saigon68]

15. The Polish people will rise up and kick out this Jackass

Oh please---they lied to you ???


He should have been in this forum 18 months ago, we would have told him about the PNAC etc. It was an oil grab only.

[alfredo]

29. One of my friends is a lawyer for the opposition party in Poland

He said that the president only signed on because bush promised free military hardware. He said the president and his administration are very corrupt.

He also thinks bush is a total nutcase. Not sure if he meant bush is crazy, or a scrotum.

[SquireJons]

30. Both?

Just a guess...

[saigon68]

33. free military hardware = the inducement

You are probably right.

Although, I question the need for this hardware right now.

But then with the Russians still to the east--- it makes sense.

[chookie]

36. There was a joke circulating a year ago

The joke went, when Saddam Hussein found out how much Bush was willing to give to Turkey in order to use it as a base of operations, he said -- "Hell! If I knew money like THAT was involved, I'd have let them use Baghdad!"

You can bribe a ragtag army of a few hundred foreign soldiers and call it a Coalition, but it's still a ragtag army of just a few hundred soldiers who are their for the bribes. Much in the "You can dress up a pig and call it Monique" mode.

[saigon68]

40. "You can dress up a pig and call it Monique"

There's a story about a silk purse lurking there somewhere also.

[alfredo]

47. Keeps the generals happy.

[htuttle]

2. Wasn't Poland one of the governments that admitted flat-out...

...that it was in Iraq for the oil concessions?

[SquireJons]

32. It is about more than just oil for Poland

Rumsfeld and the Pentagon neo's have been pushing for a realignment with NATO forces. It's worth billions of dollars per year for Poland to to keep kissing Cheney's ass (we already have a poodle). I just loved Kerry's quote the other day: "The coalition of the coerced and bribed." HO true.

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. there's a joke just waiting to be told here

but since I'm Polish I'm not gonna say it.

:evilgrin:

[peekaloo]

8. a large hole has opened up in the international community regarding

the Bush Mis-administration's reasons for the Iraq war and the Poles are looking into it.


*groan*

[soleft]

10. I thought you were Italian

[THUNDER HANDS]

44. half Italian, half Russian-Polish

My paternal grandfather was Polish.

[emad]

19. Wszystkiego Najlepszego i Sto Lat!

Jeszcze Polska nie zginela.....

[rocktivity]

22. What's Polish for

LYING CROOKS! CROOKED LIARS!

:headbang:
rocknation

[emad]

24. "Gomulka" and "Jaruzelski" and "Pilsudski" and...

zlodzieje klamczywi, Moskoskie swinie, bolszewitskie hamy...etc

[playahata1]

4. Earth to Polish Pres: Stop pussyfooting around and pull out completely!

What do you hope to gain from all this?

Still, the wheels are coming off.

[BlueEyedSon]

5. Oh gosh, I hope they don't pull out.

The Coalition really needs those 2 jeeps.

[Barkley]

6. Does these mean Poland now part of "old Europe"? --n/t

[chookie]

35. Italy has returned to "Old Europe" status too

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=afp/iraq_italy_attacks

Let's see -- Spain pulled out, the Netherlands pulled out, the President of Poland is speaking out against Bush's war, and now Italy.

Let's see -- who's left in "New Europe"? -- Albania. Anyone else?

Thank heavens these people have the good sense to admit they made a mistake. Now it's time for the American people to do the same.

[nolabels]

38. Thanks for the story,"Its current average rating is 4.26 with 172 vote(s)"

Thank heavens these people have the good sense to admit they made a mistake. Now it's time for the American people to do the same.

I would say "Don't blame me, I voted for GORE" (no pun intended)
but I guess taking responsibility for not Knowing who these traitors really were would be partly my fault as well.

Before the 2000 election I thought they only POND SCUM, I now realize they are several steps lower than that

[SquireJons]

48. Pond Scum?

While it may be messy, it's rarely dangerous. The only way they are lower than pond scum is if a radioactive waste dump is below that pond. That's why Nader really pisses me off. To equate the Democrats (even Sen. Miller) with the current brand of rebulicanism is more of a lie that all of what's spewed from the (ultra) white house for the last three years.

Smegma comes to mind though...

[Mikimouse]

7. I love this line...

"He argued however that it made no sense to pull US-led coalition troops out of Iraq."

Hey who can blame him for saying that, especially as long as the bribe money is flowing in uninterrupted.

[joeunderdog]

37. How bout "taken for a ride?" Get in line.

Anyone in this war/invasion was taken for a ride.

[psychopomp]

9. When it rains, it pours

Suddenly, all of our most important European members of the coalition except the U.K. are speaking truth about this invasion.

This is a great turn of events! Perhaps the boy-King will feel the sting of truth from across the Atlantic.

on edit: More leaders are feeling free to begin criticism partly because they see Dumbya's time running out as Kerry's star rises.

[kimchi]

11. I guess Kerry doesn't have to name names.

It seems there are several furreners today who want to go on the record calling Bush a liar.

It is a beautiful thing to see the truth in print. Too damn bad our own government doesn't have the balls to confront this mis-administration.

[gasperc]

12. Italian minister"maybe it was a mistake" now Poles were taken

for a ride, ok cluster fuck on its way

[peekaloo]

13. haha......til the COWs come home

sounds like the Coalition Of the Willing are headed our way.

[Tommy_Douglas]

14. Time for Poodle to pull out...

Admit it was a mistake. Bush hates the Blair administration anyways. They'd love to see the labor party turfed and the more hardline conservatives in power anyways.

Fox and the other American networks railed on and on about British support for this war. It would make a much larger impact on the American public to see Britain step out then all the Spains, Italy's and Honduras of the world...

[saigon68]

39. The Poodle can't let go

[Homer12]

16. If they are now against the Iraq war, they must be soft on terrorism

It's the only plausable conclusion (anti-Intellectual cause-and -effect logic brought to you by your local am hate radio conservative host).

[diamond14]

17. the emperor has no clothes....time to bail out of bush*s sinking ship

some Europeans may have studied the horrors that the British suffered in Iraq years ago....bush* plays a repeat....and fiddles while Baghdad burns...laughing on TV, raising money for re-selection, and cheney tells jokes....



http://www.theonion.com/news/

[nolabels]

34. Taken for a ride on a sinking ship with a bunch of rats

I like how they tell the whole story in complete metaphor :nopity:

http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/_d10/_v10/__show_day/_w2004-02-17

Ming the Mechanic
The NewsLog of Flemming Funch
Tuesday, February 17, 2004
The Decline and Fall of Empires
(snip)
"These are ten stories of sinking ships, and ships usually harbor rats known to leave sinking ships. But who are the rats, and what do they do after leaving the sinking ship? They probably do not leave to drown, but possibly to find a new ship and a new life?

The immediate answer would be to find a new ship, although some rats may prefer dignified suicide to a life in the ruins of their own creation. There are exceptions like the captain of the sinking ship, the last one to leave even at the risk of joining the ship on its way down. Like ship captain, like captain of the state ship, the head of state. In principle. But in fact he often prefers escape and ends up as a monarch in exile, unable to find new ships. Better a life in faded splendor than death or suicide.

But we are thinking of more dynamic rats, not of aristoc-rats or bureauc-rats, but of creative clergy and intellectual rats, and indeed entrepreneurial merchant rats. Each imperial decline creates its exodus and its diaspora. The question is, what kind of talent left, and where did they go? Regardless of the answer, this is clearly an illustration of Buddhist rebirth rather than Hindu reincarnation, let alone Christian eternal life.

The system does not reincarnate with many of its original features intact. By dying the system liberates creative energy, in the form of a diaspora which then starts working somewhere else. The obvious prognosis would be <1> given reasonable conditions they will probably succeed, <2> if or when there is no success they will probably leave the new sinking ship. Once a rat always a rat.
(snip)

[underpants]

18. Coalition of the ...uh...............not so sure now

Great just great.

[tabasco]

28. Hahahaha - get ready for "Freedom Sausage".

Now that the reasons for the war have been exposed as lies, I hope more countries pull out of our invasion force.

[Ganja Ninja]

46. Freedom Sauage = Kill-basa?

[xchrom]

20. hmmm? now

you say you were deceived? when did it begin to occur to you there weren't any wmd's? maybe when the iraqi's never used them with a big ol' army swarming all over iraq?

[LynneSin]

21. Well now that Spain backed out it was a matter of time that Poland did

I guess they've both been moved to the "Old Europe" column now!

[truthspeaker]

23. like dominoes they fall

or maybe like rats deserting a sinking ship.

The fattest rats are still on board.

[tlcandie]

26. Astute observation there truthspeaker!

nt

[tlcandie]

25. He should start thinking AGAIN ..

These statements do NOT back up his sudden "lights on" statement!

From the link:

<snip>
"If we protest against the United States' dominant role in world politics and we withdraw our troops knowing they will be replaced by US soldiers, what would be the point of such a move?" he questioned.

"We cannot alter our mission to stabilize Iraq to one to destabilize the country," he said.

"Passiveness will lead us nowhere," he added.
<snip>

Replaced by US soldiers? Why is that an issue for him? Even more to the point there are NOT more US soldiers to put into the hole that his troops would leave.

Stabliize Iraq? It is destabilized thanks to his brain not functioning in the beginning and now he wants to make it worse by NOT pulling out? Staying has accomplished what so far? The removal of Saddam ONLY! He could at least say that if the UN is NOT given full control as of June 30th then they would pull out or does he have something to lose if he pulls out? I think that IS the reason he is being flakey is that either this cabal has him over a barrel.

Passiveness?! Please!!!! You can be FAR FROM PASSIVE without murdering people and being bullies!! Grow up and evolve!!!!

[Unknown Known]

27. Anybody see Holbrooke vs Perle last night on Kopel?

It was gruesome! The Prince of Darkness is still lying his ass off like Cheney/Rummy. The PNACers are so desperate right now - they know they're buttcracks are showing:mad:

[Gin]

31. It's all about money for Poland...we are paying them to be there...and

god only knows what else the Polish government got in the bribe.
Why cut off the hand that feeds you?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

41. This is big news (kick / nm)

[JanMichael]

42. Kurwa matcz. Nie wiem co jest Pan Alek bywo mieszkal...

How bout' that for the worst Polish sentence of the year on DU!

[Shakespeare]

43. Things fall apart; The centre cannot hold...

Yeats, as ever, seems relevant here.

[Ganja Ninja]

45. And when your allies run out on you in the middle of a war ...

because the commander n thief lied can we really say it's making America stronger and safer?